Micky moonshine, reissue or original?

[Guest CJPWHU96]

Hi all, 

scaled the internet but to no avail. Does anyone know how to tell the difference between a Micky Moonshine - Name it you got it original to a reissue? I’ve seen that a reissue was released near the same time as the original. However I may be completely wrong! Thanks in advance! 

[Uk Soul]

Hi

Not 100% sure but I don't think this got reissued so any that you see will be original.

Your not thinking of John E. Paul are you as this did get reissued

Regards Eric

[Mick Holdsworth]

Original is ZDR-53438

Reissue is ZDR 55438

[Otis Smith]

I too asked this question, conclusion micks numbers are what to go by, sadly these days eyesight not too good, any one want to check mine.demo the only one to have.?While were on the subject any valuations.

[Godzilla]

 

We've done this on a number of occasions. JEP is just for demonstration purposes as I had it to hand in back in 2008. By the time of the reissues, the paper that Decca used for it's labels had a pink backing. The originals had black backing. If there's a trace of pink around the cut out centre or under the blue it's definitely a reissue - Paul Mooney explained that the paper is known in the trade as John Heyer "pink-back" paper.

The 2nd issue gets sold as original all the time and it's almost like people don't care anymore, but the reissue was definitely done specifically for the Northern scene. Second attempt by Decca actually as they at first reissued the other side, the Alvin Stardust sounding Glam Rock stomper Baby Blue - complete with instrumental version on the flip as instros were "Big at Wigan"
 

 

Edited July 3, 2019 by Godzilla
typo...

[Greedy]

Didn't know about the different colour papers used thanks for sharing . Another piece of information to store away and then spend 2hrs trying to remember at an all nighter.

[Tobytyke]

On 02/07/2019 at 09:20, Godzilla said:

 

We've done this on a number of occasions. JEP is just for demonstration purposes as I had it to hand in back in 2008. By the time of the reissues, the paper that Decca used for it's labels had a pink backing. The originals had black backing. If there's a trace of pink around the cut out centre or under the blue it's definitely a reissue - Paul Mooney explained that the paper is known in the trade as John Heyer "pink-back" paper.

The 2nd issue gets sold as original all the time and it's almost like people don't care anymore, but the reissue was definitely done specifically for the Northern scene. Second attempt by Decca actually as they at first reissued the other side, the Alvin Stardust sounding Glam Rock stomper Baby Blue - complete with instrumental version on the flip as instros were "Big at Wigan"
 

 

The easiest way to tell with the John E Paul 45 is the XDR number is upside down on the originals but the right way up on the re- issue

[Otis Smith]

Anyone got a original mickey moonshine issue and a reissue, as i dont believe it has pink backing unlike john e paul

[Gary Samways]

The original has a different matrix number but the easiest way to tell is that the spindle hole on the first issue has a raised ring around it

Edited July 5, 2019 by gary samways

[li1966]

Out of curiosity, what is going estimate of price for the original MM? Brought my original at the 100 club all nighter off the DJ spinning records on the night. Brings back nice memories when I play it.

[Gary Samways]

About £100 

[Tobytyke]

I thought I'd bought an original Mickey Moonshine a few years back ...just found out it's a 're issue . Won't be able to play this one out again

[Guest Gogs]

On 29/06/2019 at 11:46, Mick Holdsworth said:

Original is ZDR-53438

Reissue is ZDR 55438

 

6 hours ago, gary samways said:

The original has a different matrix number but the easiest way to tell is that the spindle hole on the first issue has a raised ring around it

As the picture above appears to show the matrix as 55438 you both can't be right

[Mick Holdsworth]

Think we can. Take a look at the picture again.

[Guest Gogs]

2 hours ago, Mick Holdsworth said:

Think we can. Take a look at the picture again.

got it, you meant the number on the label not the stamped matrix number. 

[Dylan]

2 hours ago, gogs said:

got it, you meant the number on the label not the stamped matrix number. 

Well spotted though the stamped matrix on the original is the same as the printed number on the 2nd press ?

 

so maybe some kind of mistake was made and then corrected when it was spotted ?

Edited July 5, 2019 by Dylan

[Guest Gogs]

14 hours ago, Dylan said:

Well spotted though the stamped matrix on the original is the same as the printed number on the 2nd press ?

 

so maybe some kind of mistake was made and then corrected when it was spotted ?

i was wondering about this myself, as you say both have the same stamped matrix although the label number on the 1st press doesn't match this but is correct on the 2nd press.

A very quick look on popsike showed very few 1st press in comparison to the 2nd, and i didn't notice any of  the 2nd issue sellers mentioning the fact that it was the 2nd issue although at least 1 stated that it was the original.

[Dylan]

8 hours ago, gogs said:

i was wondering about this myself, as you say both have the same stamped matrix although the label number on the 1st press doesn't match this but is correct on the 2nd press.

A very quick look on popsike showed very few 1st press in comparison to the 2nd, and i didn't notice any of  the 2nd issue sellers mentioning the fact that it was the 2nd issue although at least 1 stated that it was the original.

I suppose its not out of the question that they could have all been pressed at the same time and all be 1st issues.

 

 

[Godzilla]

13 hours ago, Dylan said:

I suppose its not out of the question that they could have all been pressed at the same time and all be 1st issues.

 

 

I was working in a record shop when the reissue came out. They were definitely done two years later once the record was in demand by the NS scene. 

The info pertaining to year of release on Discogs is incorrect. It should read:

53438 Baby Blue / Name It You Got It (black backing paper) 1974

56438 Baby Blue / Inst version (black backing paper) 1975

55438 Baby Blue / Name It You Got It (pink backing paper) 1976

 

1976 was the year that Decca changed the paper it used for labels. All of a sudden, the singles that they kept on catalogue as they remained steady sellers (Rolling Stones, Tom Jones, Zombies and so on) all started appearing with the pink backing paper. 

I don’t know why the matrix numbers aren’t consecutive but I’m 100% certain that’s the order that they arrived in the shop. As I implied earlier, it was a matter of some amusement with regard to the recording industry’s failure to understand the NS scene when they initially issued the wrong side with an instrumental flip...

 

[Valiant55]

On 04/07/2019 at 14:31, Tobytyke said:

The easiest way to tell with the John E Paul 45 is the XDR number is upside down on the originals but the right way up on the re- issue

The original has the decca logo curving around the top unlike the block logo on the issues