Blackpoolsoul Posted April 13, 2019 Posted April 13, 2019 This group seem to have had only 3 releases and after searching on the web, little results There also is not much on the credits for them, so can someone help please 1
Chalky Posted April 13, 2019 Posted April 13, 2019 Two of the members of the group were Elaine Jones and Earle Beall. They are on a photo that went through ebay some years ago stood behind a Dj or studio technician. A mate owns the photo, it had been defaced, someone had coloured the hair in for some reason. I will ask if it is ok to post.
The Yank Posted April 13, 2019 Posted April 13, 2019 I appears that the writer and producer were based out of Maryland - 1
Popular Post Chalky Posted April 13, 2019 Popular Post Posted April 13, 2019 I have permission to post the photo... You have Elaine Jones and Earle Beall stood behind Al Jefferson 10
Chalky Posted April 13, 2019 Posted April 13, 2019 1 hour ago, the yank said: I appears that the writer and producer were based out of Maryland - The group was out of Baltimore
Kegsy Posted April 13, 2019 Posted April 13, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, the yank said: I appears that the writer and producer were based out of Maryland - The producers/writers/arranger of their Okeh sides were also involved with a group called Gross National Product, who recorded on Guilford, they sound very folk/rock/white so I don't think any clues lie in that direction. Edited April 13, 2019 by Kegsy 1
Blackpoolsoul Posted April 13, 2019 Author Posted April 13, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, chalky said: The group was out of Baltimore Brilliant after all these years.....Thanks !!!! Edited April 13, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul
Popular Post Roburt Posted April 13, 2019 Popular Post Posted April 13, 2019 Some record shop owners are rip off merchants … I took my copy of this ad along to the store but the guy there said he could no longer honour the 59c price and I'd have to pay $1.25 for a copy of the 45 … I told him where to stick it, not gonna get ripped off like that. 6
Roburt Posted April 13, 2019 Posted April 13, 2019 Bet Hot Rod played their 45s on his show too … most of the WWIN DJ's would spin records made by local artists at that time …
Blackpoolsoul Posted April 14, 2019 Author Posted April 14, 2019 9 hours ago, Roburt said: Some record shop owners are rip off merchants … I took my copy of this ad along to the store but the guy there said he could no longer honour the 59c price and I'd have to pay $1.25 for a copy of the 45 … I told him where to stick it, not gonna get ripped off like that. Another 2 members of the group then
Blackpoolsoul Posted April 14, 2019 Author Posted April 14, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, chalky said: The group was out of Baltimore So the Okeh record would have been recorded at "Bradley Recording Company" ? Edited April 14, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul Image
Kegsy Posted April 14, 2019 Posted April 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: So the Okeh record would have been recorded at "Bradley Recording Company" ? Quite probably as the producers Bollon/Plato have links to records by the Koffee Beans on the Format label that were also recorded there.
Roburt Posted April 14, 2019 Posted April 14, 2019 The studio's facilities must have been quite rudimentary in late 68 as they upgraded all their equipment just 2 years later … 1
Guest Posted April 14, 2019 Posted April 14, 2019 Not That Kind Of Guy, sounds like Jefferson Airplane!
Roburt Posted April 15, 2019 Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) Guess the group had local Baltimore management, who had arranged to cut their tracks locally & then had them placed with 'out of town' Okeh Records. Their tracks must have been licensed by Okeh a good few weeks before their 45 hit the shops. Their management obviously then got them to visit local 'black music' radio stns to help plug the 45. It's a pity that, when the 45 had been released in Nov 68, the group members didn't visit local radio stns till the end of Nov 68 … … as the local association of radio stn jocks was staging a big charity live show at a local top venue, the Embassy Rooms, on November 28th. If they'd made contact earlier, no doubt they could have been added to the local acts who'd been booked to appear on that show … BY THE WAY … Arthur Conley (who had been based in Baltimore in 64/65) had obviously retained his local links (& performed on this show) even though he'd headed off with Otis Redding in late summer 65. Otis had been masterminding Arthur's music career but after his death in Dec 67, Arthur seems to have renewed his links back in Baltimore. Edited April 15, 2019 by Roburt 1
Blackpoolsoul Posted April 15, 2019 Author Posted April 15, 2019 On 13/04/2019 at 18:24, chalky said: I have permission to post the photo... You have Elaine Jones and Earle Beall stood behind Al Jefferson So this Earl was NOT connected to The Earl Beal from the Silhouettes ?
Roburt Posted April 15, 2019 Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) There's a chance it was the same guy as he'd remained in the Silhouettes till 68 when that group fell apart. ALSO, although the doo-wop group were Philly based, he was originally from Donora, Pa -- a town located between Pittsburgh & Baltimore. From the Balto photo, Earl is obviously an oldish guy AND he looks a lot like the guy top left in this picture of the doo-wop group … RobbK will probably know a lot more than me about the Silhouettes. Edited April 15, 2019 by Roburt 1
Blackpoolsoul Posted April 15, 2019 Author Posted April 15, 2019 37 minutes ago, Roburt said: There's a chance it was the same guy as he'd remained in the Silhouettes till 68 when that group fell apart. ALSO, although the doo-wop group were Philly based, he was originally from Donora, Pa -- a town located between Pittsburgh & Baltimore. From the Balto photo, Earl is obviously an oldish guy AND he looks a lot like the guy top left in this picture of the doo-wop group … RobbK will probably know a lot more than me about the Silhouettes. Looking like he might be
Blackpoolsoul Posted April 15, 2019 Author Posted April 15, 2019 On 13/04/2019 at 18:24, chalky said: I have permission to post the photo... You have Elaine Jones and Earle Beall stood behind Al Jefferson I am also guessing that this Al Jefferson worked with Billy Butler on the "Optimistics" turbo stuff
Chalky Posted April 15, 2019 Posted April 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: Looking like he might be he also looks similar to the guy on the right, could also be the guy sat down.
Colouredman Posted April 15, 2019 Posted April 15, 2019 Im pretty sure someone told me once that PLATO is a super well known producer like Jimmy Wisner.
Blackpoolsoul Posted April 15, 2019 Author Posted April 15, 2019 35 minutes ago, colouredman said: Im pretty sure someone told me once that PLATO is a super well known producer like Jimmy Wisner. Plato is so mysterious as he only went by that name (credits), I am hoping someone knows and we can find out
Blackpoolsoul Posted April 15, 2019 Author Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, chalky said: he also looks similar to the guy on the right, could also be the guy sat down. Deffo on the right, guy sat down is different Edited April 15, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul
Michael V Posted April 15, 2019 Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) Personally,I don't think they are the same-Earl Beal of The Silhouettes had only one 'L' in his surname and,perhaps most tellingly,he was born in 1924,which would have made him 44 at the time of The Tangeers photo above; the Tangeers' Earle Beall looks late 20's/ early 30's,maybe mid-30's at most,to me Edited April 15, 2019 by Michael V Typographical error 1
Blackpoolsoul Posted April 15, 2019 Author Posted April 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, Michael V said: Personally,I don't think they are the same-Earl Beal of The Silhouettes had only only 'L' in his surname and,perhaps, most tellingly,he was born in 1924,which would have made him 44 at the time of The Tangeers photo above; the Tangeers' Earl Beall looks late 20's/ early 30's,maybe mid-30's at most,to me That's a great point which makes this very confusing as well https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/17721686/earl-thomas-beal
Kenb Posted April 15, 2019 Posted April 15, 2019 4 hours ago, colouredman said: Im pretty sure someone told me once that PLATO is a super well known producer like Jimmy Wisner. yes you might be right there; Plato =Plato Theopholos ( maybe weird, i know...but it could be so-OR- it could be a psudo based on Greek philisophy). He (Plato Prexy) and Ron Bollon(VP) had two labels-Nadine and Format. I don't know if there were any releases?
Kegsy Posted April 15, 2019 Posted April 15, 2019 I think Nadine may have just been the publishing company, there were 2 releases on Format by the Koffee Beans.
The Yank Posted April 15, 2019 Posted April 15, 2019 5 hours ago, colouredman said: Im pretty sure someone told me once that PLATO is a super well known producer like Jimmy Wisner. I think this is a different Plato (?)
Blackpoolsoul Posted April 15, 2019 Author Posted April 15, 2019 50 minutes ago, the yank said: I think this is a different Plato (?) It is a Philly thing, Billy Jackson and Jimmy Wisner
Blackpoolsoul Posted April 15, 2019 Author Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kegsy said: I think Nadine may have just been the publishing company, there were 2 releases on Format by the Koffee Beans. This an article I found about Koffee Beans https://www.baltimoreorless.com/2015/10/koffee-beans-ad-man-been-a-long-time-1966-baltimore-psychedelic-45rpms/ Edited April 15, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul Label
Robbk Posted April 15, 2019 Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Michael V said: Personally,I don't think they are the same-Earl Beal of The Silhouettes had only only 'L' in his surname and,perhaps, most tellingly,he was born in 1924,which would have made him 44 at the time of The Tangeers photo above; the Tangeers' Earl Beall looks late 20's/ early 30's,maybe mid-30's at most,to me I agree that the Earl Beal from The older, Philly Silhouettes couldn't be the guy in The Tangeers. But, possibly he was his son (named Earl Beal Jr., who simply added an e and an l to his 2 names for a "stage name". It would be quite a coincidence to come from generally the same area (Baltimore and Philadelphia shared almost as many local ties as Baltimore and Washington, D.C., and the 2 men look enough alike to be father and son. And the ages work a LOT better than the Tangeer being 44 years old. Edited April 15, 2019 by RobbK 1
Kenb Posted April 15, 2019 Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Kegsy said: I think Nadine may have just been the publishing company, there were 2 releases on Format by the Koffee Beans. It may well have been a pub co too - but it was definately a record label he owned.( as earlier post...never found a release)
Kenb Posted April 15, 2019 Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, the yank said: I think this is a different Plato (?) mee too.
Blackpoolsoul Posted April 15, 2019 Author Posted April 15, 2019 Just Elaine Jones and 2 unnamed others for the group then if Earl was the son
Roburt Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 The Silhouettes were re-formed in 1980 when oldies doo-wop group shows were in vogue. They stayed together, earning decent money for live show appearances till 1993. The group's Earl Beal was with them throughout their 2nd incarnation.
Chalky Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) As said I doubt it is the same Earle Beall as the Silhouettes Earl Beale. I also doubt he’s the son of Not sure what a reformed Silhouettes has to do with The Tan Geers? Edited April 16, 2019 by chalky
Kegsy Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 10 hours ago, Roburt said: The Silhouettes were re-formed in 1980 when oldies doo-wop group shows were in vogue. They stayed together, earning decent money for live show appearances till 1993. The group's Earl Beal was with them throughout their 2nd incarnation. The original Silhouettes were not the same line up as the ones on the 1968 Goodway single, Bill Horton and Ray Edwards had been replaced by John Wilson and Otis Lewis.
Steve G Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 On 14/04/2019 at 07:10, Blackpoolsoul said: So the Okeh record would have been recorded at "Bradley Recording Company" ? 100% right- I have seen an acetate......you need to buy my book LOL.
Blackpoolsoul Posted April 17, 2019 Author Posted April 17, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, Steve G said: 100% right- I have seen an acetate......you need to buy my book LOL. I know Steve, Me too and honestly I just collect records, not books. As you have made money out of it (hopefully), perhaps you could be kind enough to share history Edited April 17, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul
Kegsy Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 Plato Productions (Ron Bollon, Plato Theophilos) 1404 Kingsbridge Turn Crofton, Md. 2113 506 Newberry St. Joppo, Md. 21085 (301) 679-4117 Newark Label Bows. Newark Records, a new diskery specializing in R&B and pops singles, is to be distributed by Ambassador Records of Newark, N.J. The label's debut records are by vocalist Ron Price, produced by Ron Bollon & Sam Kaufman (Kay-Gee distributors Baltimore) for Ronsam Productions, and the TNJ'S, produced by Lou Henderson. When Scotty Miller was 12 years old and growing up in Trenton, New Jersey, he got together with a friend, Raymond Earl, and formed a band. They called themselves the Imperialistics and played at talent shows and junior high school dances. Today, nearly fifteen years later, Miller and Earl are still together as the nucleus of Instant Funk, a fast -rising band who have just released their self -titled debut album on Salsoul Records, which includes the bulleted single, "I Got My Mind Made Up (You Can Get It Girl)." The years in between, however, have been marked by frustrations as well as triumphs. At first, Miller's and Earl's rise to the top proceeded smoothly. Miller's brother, Kim, joined the band while in high school, and the group became a nine -piece outfit known as the TNJ's. The TNJ's played club dates in New Jersey and nearby Philadelphia, establishing their reputation as a hot funk band. There seems to be some confusion as to whether the TNJ's were just a vocal group and what became Instant Funk were just the backing group. Bunny Sigler spotted the backing band and took then to Sigma Sound. Could the TNJ’s be the Tan Geers or possibly TaN J’(e)erS since TNJ’S stands for Trenton New Jerseyers ?. The TNJ’s first record precedes the Tan Geers. Could Bollon et al have recorded the TNJs and put the record out under the Tangeers (Tanjeers) ?. 1
Kegsy Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 52 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: I know Steve, Me too and honestly I just collect records, not books. As you have made money out of it (hopefully), perhaps you could be kind enough to share history Am I missing something, where does it say where it was recorded ?. Also note group name mispelt.
Kegsy Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 On 14/04/2019 at 07:10, Blackpoolsoul said: So the Okeh record would have been recorded at "Bradley Recording Company" ? 21 hours ago, Steve G said: 100% right- I have seen an acetate......you need to buy my book LOL. Are we totally sure about this ?. Nick Barker who arranged at least 2 Tangeers records also worked for Accent Sound Studios also in Baltimore, he also recorded there in a group called Gross National Product. Almost all of the Bradley output appears to be almost exclusively religious/gospel type stuff.
Blackpoolsoul Posted April 17, 2019 Author Posted April 17, 2019 40 minutes ago, Kegsy said: Are we totally sure about this ?. Nick Barker who arranged at least 2 Tangeers records also worked for Accent Sound Studios also in Baltimore, he also recorded there in a group called Gross National Product. Almost all of the Bradley output appears to be almost exclusively religious/gospel type stuff. That maybe my fault it was stuck in my brain somewhere about it and at my age there's a lot of misty stuff going on
Blackpoolsoul Posted April 17, 2019 Author Posted April 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kegsy said: Plato Productions (Ron Bollon, Plato Theophilos) 1404 Kingsbridge Turn Crofton, Md. 2113 506 Newberry St. Joppo, Md. 21085 (301) 679-4117 Newark Label Bows. Newark Records, a new diskery specializing in R&B and pops singles, is to be distributed by Ambassador Records of Newark, N.J. The label's debut records are by vocalist Ron Price, produced by Ron Bollon & Sam Kaufman (Kay-Gee distributors Baltimore) for Ronsam Productions, and the TNJ'S, produced by Lou Henderson. When Scotty Miller was 12 years old and growing up in Trenton, New Jersey, he got together with a friend, Raymond Earl, and formed a band. They called themselves the Imperialistics and played at talent shows and junior high school dances. Today, nearly fifteen years later, Miller and Earl are still together as the nucleus of Instant Funk, a fast -rising band who have just released their self -titled debut album on Salsoul Records, which includes the bulleted single, "I Got My Mind Made Up (You Can Get It Girl)." The years in between, however, have been marked by frustrations as well as triumphs. At first, Miller's and Earl's rise to the top proceeded smoothly. Miller's brother, Kim, joined the band while in high school, and the group became a nine -piece outfit known as the TNJ's. The TNJ's played club dates in New Jersey and nearby Philadelphia, establishing their reputation as a hot funk band. There seems to be some confusion as to whether the TNJ's were just a vocal group and what became Instant Funk were just the backing group. Bunny Sigler spotted the backing band and took then to Sigma Sound. Could the TNJ’s be the Tan Geers or possibly TaN J’(e)erS since TNJ’S stands for Trenton New Jerseyers ?. The TNJ’s first record precedes the Tan Geers. Could Bollon et al have recorded the TNJs and put the record out under the Tangeers (Tanjeers) ?. Wow that would be really something The TNJ's were backed Instant Funk https://www.wefunkradio.com/song/play/600_ap/instant+funk/bodyshine Edited April 17, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul updated
Kegsy Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: Wow that would be really something When I was sussing it all out I found loads of other stuff which links, the goings on in Baltimore at the time, with some very seriously good soul/northern records. It's worth a whole new thread, but I haven't got to the bottom of everything as yet. Look out for a Tangeers Connections thread pretty soon.
Chalky Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 The TNJs were all male, a photo on discogs shows them as a 5 piece. The Tan Geers has at least one female singer and Earl Beall doesn’t figure in the TNJs from what we know.
Chalky Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: I know Steve, Me too and honestly I just collect records, not books. As you have made money out of it (hopefully), perhaps you could be kind enough to share history Given all the time and effort Steve put in maybe you should buy the book Where is the scan from? I have the book but not got round to reading yet.
Kegsy Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, chalky said: The TNJs were all male, a photo on discogs shows them as a 5 piece. The Tan Geers has at least one female singer and Earl Beall doesn’t figure in the TNJs from what we know. Discogs also shows their release on Lucky Lou being written by E. Jones and Lou Henderson who produced their Newark outing. Perhaps E. Jones was Elaine Jones but wasn't actually in the group until later. I've already established the TNJ's preceeded the Tangeers. Edited April 17, 2019 by Kegsy
Chalky Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kegsy said: Discogs also shows their release on Lucky Lou being written by E. Jones and Lou Henderson who produced their Newark outing. Perhaps E. Jones was Elaine Jones but wasn't actually in the group. Nope, Elijah Jones, one of the group.
Johndelve Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 I don't believe there is any link between The Tangeers and The TNJ's - two totally different groups as far as I am aware. Steve's Wand book does give more info on The Tangeers : he says they were Cora Boykins (replaced by Elaine Jones) , Bobby Covington, Richard Quarles, Earle Beale and Bill Hagie at one point . 1
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