So we had R&B, then the motown funk brothers style, a bit of stax and Atlantic, then the Carstairs and co...

Alfie Davidson and the Futures etc.

And obviously everything in between.

BUT by 1980 all this was covered and some.

17 years of musical evolution.

Now almost 40 years AFTER this, what exactly is modern? Please name examples over the last year or so that are different to pre 1980!

If folks who love the 60s are in a bubble, the Mecca lovers can't be much different.

What's new and 'kind of accepted ' as Northern Soul today?

I don't mean newly discovered master tapes etc from before 1980.

Ed

So Stevie

Would you say that true modern is perhaps a scene on its own and has passed the point of being included in the Northern Soul spectrum at least until it's a few years old?

Ed

Lakeshore Commission - Together (Right Now)   nice new one

Why should it be ommited from northern rooms it wasn't in the late 70's and 80's that sort of attitude as caused the splits within the scene . resulting in the sad state it's in now . everything in one room how it should be. The New sounds will soon grow on you 😁😁😁😁

  On 08/04/2019 at 19:19, speedlimit said:

Why should it be ommited from northern rooms it wasn't in the late 70's and 80's that sort of attitude as caused the splits within the scene . resulting in the sad state it's in now . everything in one room how it should be. The New sounds will soon grow on you 😁😁😁😁

Unless it sounds northern (60s/70s retro) in its style they aren't interest. Most aren’t interested in anything different 60s wise so try and get them to accept new releases is never going to happen.  

  On 08/04/2019 at 17:34, algsoul said:

Lakeshore Commission - Together (Right Now)   nice new one

Quality Laurence.
Raw uncut remix is very good too. Got a bit more bounce to it.

nice

 

Edited April 8, 20196 yr by Shufflin

  On 08/04/2019 at 22:02, shufflin said:

nice

 

Definitely played this as a new release at Cleethorpes Weekender back in 2010......good shout! 👍

 

Cheers,

Mark R

This had quite a few MS fans heading straight for the dancefloor back in the day … 

 

  On 08/04/2019 at 19:41, chalky said:

Unless it sounds northern (60s/70s retro) in its style they aren't interest. Most aren’t interested in anything different 60s wise so try and get them to accept new releases is never going to happen.  

I know mate we can live in hope . mainly down to narrow minded promoters 

This is a good retro/modern Northern Soul song

 

 

This one,is also interesting...

 

Lisa Stansfield . Ticks all the boxes of this weird and wonderful scene and it's a 90,s release.  Classed as modern ? In the context of this thread yes, 

I love it

Steve 

  On 08/04/2019 at 16:40, tomangoes said:

So Stevie

Would you say that true modern is perhaps a scene on its own and has passed the point of being included in the Northern Soul spectrum at least until it's a few years old?

Ed

Yep would have to agree full heartfelt on this one there are however two aspects on this ,out and out DJs whom have delved into there hard earned cash record boxes do my fcuking head in were  putting a modern  night  on.....no Cdjs, no USB,no tablet,laptop 3/4 of the modern scene is now made up of digital media not vinyl unfortunately, which is a shame so you then get deprived of hearing the latest or digital stuff never put out on the plastic stuff so yep think the days when it crosses over to the northern room are slowly dying a slow death ( hooray say some ) but then we have ......carvers 

  On 08/04/2019 at 16:20, tomangoes said:

I guess the concensus is if it sounds soulful to you, and you can dance to it, then it can well be Northern Soul.  It's flexible on soulfullness but not so much danceability..

However you cant shuffle to afternoon of the rhino anymore than you can stomp to house for sale.

Modern generally follows the soulful disco style and the dance style that goes with it.

So I would agree it can all be Northern Soul to some even if it's soulful disco or r n b to others. 

Modern clearly should really just be a tag for current and recent releases.

 

I see a parallel here with architecture - "Modern" architecture was a style (of variety of styles) that became prevalent from the 20's to the 60's. Since then some architects still designed in the style but most moved on and built on the foundations and changed it into something else. In architecture "Postmodern" then became the term and now there's even more labels. So both "Modern" and "Postmodern" architecture are historical styles "Contemporary" is sometimes now used but probably even more meaningless, well I think it's similar. "Postmodern soul" anyone?

Edited April 9, 20196 yr by Timillustrator

  On 09/04/2019 at 14:21, Timillustrator said:

I see a parallel here with architecture - "Modern" architecture was a style (of variety of styles) that became prevalent from the 20's to the 60's. Since then some architects still designed in the style but most moved on and built on the foundations and changed it into something else. In architecture "Postmodern" then became the term and now there's even more labels. So both "Modern" and "Postmodern" architecture are historical styles "Contemporary" is sometimes now used but probably even more meaningless, well I think it's similar. "Postmodern soul" anyone?

Like the idea. Contemporary Soul.

As long as it's not on the contempo label. 

Steve 

Yes Ste but will it be still be contemporary in ten years time? ......

  On 09/04/2019 at 14:04, Winsford Soul said:

Lisa Stansfield . Ticks all the boxes of this weird and wonderful scene and it's a 90,s release.  Classed as modern ? In the context of this thread yes, 

I love it

Steve 

Oooohhhh nooooo!!

 

Cheers,

Mark R

  On 09/04/2019 at 14:20, steviehay said:

Yep would have to agree full heartfelt on this one there are however two aspects on this ,out and out DJs whom have delved into there hard earned cash record boxes do my fcuking head in were  putting a modern  night  on.....no Cdjs, no USB,no tablet,laptop 3/4 of the modern scene is now made up of digital media not vinyl unfortunately, which is a shame so you then get deprived of hearing the latest or digital stuff never put out on the plastic stuff so yep think the days when it crosses over to the northern room are slowly dying a slow death ( hooray say some ) but then we have ......carvers 

Agreed, sadly Northern people who put modern rooms on just DO NOT get this!  Just stick to the Northern if Modern is not your game and you don't fully understand it!

 

Cheers,

Mark R

  On 09/04/2019 at 14:21, Timillustrator said:

I see a parallel here with architecture - "Modern" architecture was a style (of variety of styles) that became prevalent from the 20's to the 60's. Since then some architects still designed in the style but most moved on and built on the foundations and changed it into something else. In architecture "Postmodern" then became the term and now there's even more labels. So both "Modern" and "Postmodern" architecture are historical styles "Contemporary" is sometimes now used but probably even more meaningless, well I think it's similar. "Postmodern soul" anyone?

I've made a similar piont about mods. 

Transplant the same kind of unheard artist's from the 60's to now and they definitely wouldn't be releasing there low budget but creative recordings on vinyl. 

Just fantastic........ever so slightly raw and messy, a punchy old skool sounding house production.......proper 21st century soul!!  Digital only at the moment...........though I have a feeling this mix will be on the RSD 12" double pack from Good Vibrations Music this weekend.  As f@cking essential as it gets.........

 

 

Cheers,

Mark R

  On 09/04/2019 at 14:20, steviehay said:

Yep would have to agree full heartfelt on this one there are however two aspects on this ,out and out DJs whom have delved into there hard earned cash record boxes do my fcuking head in were  putting a modern  night  on.....no Cdjs, no USB,no tablet,laptop 3/4 of the modern scene is now made up of digital media not vinyl unfortunately, which is a shame so you then get deprived of hearing the latest or digital stuff never put out on the plastic stuff so yep think the days when it crosses over to the northern room are slowly dying a slow death ( hooray say some ) but then we have ......carvers 

Yep couldn’t agree more , how people deprive themselves just because they came out on cd in their original format, I might add . I thought back in the day when some venues did plug in the CD player that the scene would have progressed onto this being the norm , it’s seems the thread got dropped along the way , there’s loads of great titles and they are peanuts and some of them can or are quite rare to get hold off . 

Edited April 9, 20196 yr by Colnago

Peanuts , literally!!! Mr m&m man , course it’s been played here and there , but I’m sure the more northern type venues would’ve picked up on these types if they wasn’t on the god forbid CD😱 ps it’s not brand new modern modern lol

Edited April 9, 20196 yr by Colnago

  On 09/04/2019 at 16:26, Mark R said:

Oooohhhh nooooo!!

 

Cheers,

Mark R

Mark. Didn't it get played in bretby modern room,  lowton modern room as a new release if I remember correctly.  

This thread is about what's modern classed as. the general opinion anything from the 70,s onwards by the majority of northern soulies is classed as such.  So Lisa Stansfield certainly fits that remit.  

 

 

  On 09/04/2019 at 17:34, Winsford Soul said:

Mark. Didn't it get played in bretby modern room,  lowton modern room as a new release if I remember correctly.  

This thread is about what's modern classed as. the general opinion anything from the 70,s onwards by the majority of northern soulies is classed as such.  So Lisa Stansfield certainly fits that remit.  

 

 

I remember Brian Goucher playing Lisa as a pre-release, I think

  On 09/04/2019 at 16:29, geeselad said:

I've made a similar piont about mods. 

Edited April 9, 20196 yr by Wendy Thompson

  On 09/04/2019 at 17:34, Winsford Soul said:

Mark. Didn't it get played in bretby modern room,  lowton modern room as a new release if I remember correctly.  

This thread is about what's modern classed as. the general opinion anything from the 70,s onwards by the majority of northern soulies is classed as such.  So Lisa Stansfield certainly fits that remit.  

 

 

I know mate, fair comment on all counts......I'm just not keen myself! LOL

 

Cheers,

Mark R

  On 09/04/2019 at 17:59, Wendy Thompson said:

Dunno but just maybe is Busy Earnin Jungle (Toyota Advert) a candidate for Postmodern Soul?? 

my kids were into this a few years ago so it's an oldie now and pop to boot 🙂

  On 09/04/2019 at 18:09, Mark R said:

I know mate, fair comment on all counts......I'm just not keen myself! LOL

 

Cheers,

Mark R

Fair play mate.

I would Marry Lisa if she asked me 😍😍😍

Steve 

  On 09/04/2019 at 18:26, Winsford Soul said:

Fair play mate.

I would Marry Lisa if she asked me 😍😍😍

Steve 

Ah well, that's a different matter! 😉

 

Cheers,

Mark R

  On 06/04/2019 at 07:12, tomangoes said:

But in the last 30 years I don't see any significant change in beat or style, just replication of what's been before

got this on 12" and heard it played out, you reckon this is any diferent? I'm an 'across the board' type so not really interested in whether something is northern or modern scene stuff, this one is a 2004 release getting recent spins

 

Edited April 9, 20196 yr by Shufflin

That Jasper Street Co. cut is what I consider to be soulful house. Personally I find a lot of the 'beats' employed in house somewhat formulaic with the occasional tune elevated by the quality of the vocalist(s).

 

Nice track. I likes a bit of Gospel I do!

However a 15 year old record just getting spins?

How modern is modern?

It would have been a push at Wigan to play much 15 years old!

Modern is either recent releases...

Or modern sounding danceable soul with the same kind of beat etc as this track, emanating from perhaps 1980 onwards.

But I find it hard to say it means both.

Ed

 

  On 09/04/2019 at 18:43, Soulfusion said:

That Jasper Street Co. cut is what I consider to be soulful house

to answer both you & Ed it was really a reply to Ed's point " I don't see any significant change in beat or style, just replication of what's been before", which I disagree with a bit,  not really about releases in last year

  On 09/04/2019 at 18:36, shufflin said:

got this on 12" and heard it played out, you reckon this is any diferent? I'm an 'across the board' type so not really interested in whether something is northern or modern scene stuff, this one is a 2004 release getting recent spins

 

Where is this being played?

 

Cheers,

Mark R

  On 09/04/2019 at 18:52, Mark R said:

Where is this being played?

 

Cheers,

Mark R

right now? on my SL1210

  On 09/04/2019 at 18:52, Mark R said:

Where is this being played?

 

Cheers,

Mark R

I never hear anything like Jasper Street at your typical northern or even across the board nights, (if ever there was a stupid term that is it 😂 ) if anything like this did get played it would clear the floor in seconds. 

 

  On 09/04/2019 at 19:01, shufflin said:

 

That's me DJ'ing.....

 

Cheers,

Mark R

  On 09/04/2019 at 19:04, Mark R said:

That's me DJ'ing.....

 

Cheers,

Mark R

I know

  On 09/04/2019 at 19:01, shufflin said:

 

Interesting..

I like the way some of the dancers have got into the swing of it with the Latin / salsa movement.

Not a shred of soul in though. Would this be Northern Salsa:)

Heard a few similar tunes at the 100 club a few years ago from a guest dj.

My ignorance kicked in as they all sounded the same to my cloth ears.

Still, it's better than ska and rock n roll that are also across the very wide board.

Ed

 

 

  On 09/04/2019 at 19:43, tomangoes said:

Interesting..

Not a shred of soul in though.

Ed

Really?!! 😂😂😂

one of my favourite modern tracks released in last year or two, jazzy soul I guess, serious lyrics and a fantastic 45 🙂

 

Edited April 9, 20196 yr by Shufflin

  On 09/04/2019 at 20:17, shufflin said:

one of my favourite modern tracks released in last year, jazzy soul I guess, serious lyrics and a fantastic 45 🙂

 

Haha....the YouTube took a while to load but I knew what it was from your description.  Great record! 👍

 

Cheers,

Mark R

only 104 people have bothered to watch this amazing performamce, a few of the first press 45 are on discogs for under a tenner plus shipping, literally modern soul

 

  On 09/04/2019 at 20:17, shufflin said:

one of my favourite modern tracks released in last year or two, jazzy soul I guess, serious lyrics and a fantastic 45 🙂

 

Top quality.

Thanks for sharing.

Ed

  On 09/04/2019 at 20:29, shufflin said:

only 104 people have bothered to watch this amazing performamce, a few of the first press 45 are on discogs for under a tenner plus shipping, literally modern soul

 

105 now. 

Yes yes yes

Brilliant.

Ed

From last year, but did this get any plays out on the main floor?

 

Ed

  On 09/04/2019 at 18:43, Soulfusion said:

That Jasper Street Co. cut is what I consider to be soulful house. Personally I find a lot of the 'beats' employed in house somewhat formulaic with the occasional tune elevated by the quality of the vocalist(s).

 

It's a great record (got a lot of this stuff when it was fairly new on CD thanks to Roger Williams) - but I'd certainly agree a lot of it's pretty formulaic - specially when you listen to 20 odd artists in a row where the percussion track is pretty much interchangeable... And of course it's now 15 years old - older than some 60s discoveries were when they were being played at Stafford! Dx
 

Edited April 10, 20196 yr by DaveNPete

  On 10/04/2019 at 08:34, DaveNPete said:

It's a great record (got a lot of this stuff when it was fairly new on CD thanks to Roger Williams) - but I'd certainly agree a lot of it's pretty formulaic - specially when you listen to 20 odd artists in a row where the percussion track is pretty much interchangeable... And of course it's now 15 years old - older than some 60s discoveries were when they were being played at Stafford! Dx
 

Not taking issue with you personally Dave, more a general comment that I find it completely bizarre when NS lovers claim that soulful house is formulaic!  Like the 60's 4/4 dance beat isn't? 🤔

I thinks what folk should say is, "it's formulaic and it's a formula I don't particularly care for".  I'd suggest that would be a more valid statement and opinion.

 

Cheers,

Mark R