Guest andyrattigan Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 What are the rarest soul albums both 6ts and 7ts? I collect albums as much as 45s as there are some great tunes hidden away on albums that rarely get played. Also you can pick up a track on the original format that is also an original release much cheaper than the 45. A case in point would be I just bought JACKIE WILSON album BEAUTIFUL DAY (BRUNSWICK 1972). I paid £15 for it and wanted it mostly for BECAUSE OF YOU, which would set me back £150 from some record dealers. Any one else pick up original albums with tracks that are pricey on 45 format?
Guest Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 (edited) these are cheap at lp but expensive at 45. James Walsh Gypsy Band "same" (rca) has "Cuz It's You, Girl" Pratt & Mcclain "Featuring Happy Days" (Reprise) has "Wathersign" Edited December 21, 2006 by Preben
Tolbert Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 Buddy Miles: All the faces of Buddy Miles Lp - "I'm just a kiss away" Mandrill: New Worlds Lp - "too late"
Guest Matt Male Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 I also like albums and agree there are some little gems out there. I recently bought 'A Little Knight Music' - Gladys Knight for No One Can Love You More and although it's considered ok to play stuff off albums not released on 45, is it ok to play tracks off albums that were released as 45s? In some, if not most cases, the album would have been released first and the 45 tracks taken from it wouldn't they? Making the album the original recording (i know some album and 45 tracks differ). Just a thought Matt
Guest Brian Ellis Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 I also like albums and agree there are some little gems out there. I recently bought 'A Little Knight Music' - Gladys Knight for No One Can Love You More and although it's considered ok to play stuff off albums not released on 45, is it ok to play tracks off albums that were released as 45s? In some, if not most cases, the album would have been released first and the 45 tracks taken from it wouldn't they? Making the album the original recording (i know some album and 45 tracks differ). Just a thought Matt Hi Matt Can and worms spring immediately to mind . Brian
Guest Bogue Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 Bought 'There Is' by the Dells for 'Run For Cover', it's switched places now though & the album is worth more than the single. The funny old world of etc etc. There is a bonus though, you get the album only version of Higher & Higher !
Guest mel brat Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 I also like albums and agree there are some little gems out there. I recently bought 'A Little Knight Music' - Gladys Knight for No One Can Love You More and although it's considered ok to play stuff off albums not released on 45, is it ok to play tracks off albums that were released as 45s? In some, if not most cases, the album would have been released first and the 45 tracks taken from it wouldn't they? Making the album the original recording (i know some album and 45 tracks differ). Just a thought Matt I don't understand. Just when exactly did it become NOT "considered OK" to play album tracks which have been released on 45? Do you mean for "Northern" DJs? In the early days I remember being somewhat wary of buying albums - but that was C.1969!! I find the whole idea totally bizarre! However, one bloke I know now buys NOTHING BUT albums, which I feel is going from one extreme to the other!
Guest mel brat Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 (edited) Hi Matt Can and worms spring immediately to mind . Brian Haven't heard the "Can And Worms" album. Is it good? Edited December 21, 2006 by mel brat
Guest mel brat Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 What are the rarest soul albums both 6ts and 7ts? I collect albums as much as 45s as there are some great tunes hidden away on albums that rarely get played. Also you can pick up a track on the original format that is also an original release much cheaper than the 45. A case in point would be I just bought JACKIE WILSON album BEAUTIFUL DAY (BRUNSWICK 1972). I paid £15 for it and wanted it mostly for BECAUSE OF YOU, which would set me back £150 from some record dealers. Any one else pick up original albums with tracks that are pricey on 45 format? I think the West Coast Revival album on LAX (1978) is pretty scarce, as is Mike James Kirkland LP?. I remember finding a "High Voltage" album on Australian CBS in mid-1975, just after hearing Levine play "Country Road" at The Highland Room. Also picked up Skullsnaps album at a record fair in the early 1980s for a quid, believe it or not! Had several 100% Pure Poison LPs from market stalls and gave all (but one) away, and sold the 45 for next to nothing! Ah well...
Guest Brett F Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 What are the rarest soul albums both 6ts and 7ts? I collect albums as much as 45s as there are some great tunes hidden away on albums that rarely get played. Also you can pick up a track on the original format that is also an original release much cheaper than the 45. A case in point would be I just bought JACKIE WILSON album BEAUTIFUL DAY (BRUNSWICK 1972). I paid £15 for it and wanted it mostly for BECAUSE OF YOU, which would set me back £150 from some record dealers. Any one else pick up original albums with tracks that are pricey on 45 format? Everyone seems to want the easy route into collecting rare records, why not get a few years behind you,look and learn, travel a bit, talk to people, make yourself known, have some tapes to swap.............do the groundwork.................lastly with the advent of the www, you have an absolute plethora of information........but then AGAIN you probably want someone else to tell you what they think is rare/acceptable.......DO ME A FAVOUR. BRETT
Guest mrs norman maine Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) ........but then AGAIN you probably want someone else to tell you what they think is rare/acceptable.......DO ME A FAVOUR. BRETT Andy's post suggested nothing of the sort, so I don't think it was necessary for you to use capitals Brett: it makes it looks like you're SHOUTING at him. Maybe you were? If so, no wonder younger people on the scene sometimes feel intimidated. Anyway, must dash- got a DVD of 'Logan's Run' to watch..... Edited December 22, 2006 by mrs norman maine
Chalky Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 I don't understand. Just when exactly did it become NOT "considered OK" to play album tracks which have been released on 45? Do you mean for "Northern" DJs? In the early days I remember being somewhat wary of buying albums - but that was C.1969!! I find the whole idea totally bizarre! However, one bloke I know now buys NOTHING BUT albums, which I feel is going from one extreme to the other! I don't think theirs owt wrong with playing lps personally regardless whether the track is on 45 or not.
Chalky Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 What are the rarest soul albums both 6ts and 7ts? I collect albums as much as 45s as there are some great tunes hidden away on albums that rarely get played. Also you can pick up a track on the original format that is also an original release much cheaper than the 45. A case in point would be I just bought JACKIE WILSON album BEAUTIFUL DAY (BRUNSWICK 1972). I paid £15 for it and wanted it mostly for BECAUSE OF YOU, which would set me back £150 from some record dealers. Any one else pick up original albums with tracks that are pricey on 45 format? Garland Green's Uni outing Jealous Kinda Fella well worth picking up, should get it cheap too from e-bay. Most of his Northern 45's on there.
Chalky Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Everyone seems to want the easy route into collecting rare records, why not get a few years behind you,look and learn, travel a bit, talk to people, make yourself known, have some tapes to swap.............do the groundwork.................lastly with the advent of the www, you have an absolute plethora of information........but then AGAIN you probably want someone else to tell you what they think is rare/acceptable.......DO ME A FAVOUR. BRETT we all asked questions Brett when we started, I know I did and still do, it's one of the best ways to learn.
Md Records Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Des' top tip number 1 - A favourite Album of mine that shouldn't set you back a fortune "Magnificent Men - World Of Soul" some great Album only stuff on there, well worth looking out for, and not PLAYED TO DEATH (sorry if I infringed any CAPITAL LETTER ruling) DES PARKER
davidwapples Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 ace spectrum dont send nobody else is one cheaper on lp collins and collins top of the stairs millie jackson house for sale timi yuro - never be over for me
Mark Bicknell Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) I've never really seriously collected albums but i have picked up over the years a few of the key ones connected with the rare soul theme, no collection should be without the likes of The Hesitations - Soul Superman on Kapp, Freddy Butler - With A Dab Of Soul - Kapp, Darell Banks on Atco, Tempests - Smash, Baby Washington - Veep, Garland Green - Uni, Magnificent Men - Capitol, Metros - Rca, Gloria Barnes - Maple, Williams And Watson - Okeh, Spellbinders - Columbia, Reflections - Golden World, Artistics - Okeh and perhaps one of the most complete quality rare soul albums ever made and perhaps the only other album to rival the stunning Hesitations holy grail 'Soul Superman' is The Artistics - 'I'm Gonna Miss You' album on Brunswick from around 1967 this can match The Hestitaions track for track, everyone is a winner, just a genius must have LP, i love this album so much i have it on CD, Original USA and a Canadian Brunswick copy,every track is special, pure perfection......... could let this whole album go at a gig and it would work. Sweeter Than Sugar Glad I Met You There Is No Sadness Love Song Hope We Have I'm Gonna Miss You Girl I Need You I'll Always Love You It's Gonna Be Alright Why, Why, Why You're Wonderful On And On Merry Christmas - Mark Bicknell. Edited December 22, 2006 by Mark Bicknell
Guest PaulR Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) I also remember when it was OK to play indemand tracks Like "Honest To Goodness" off the Funky Bottom Congregation Album, and "Change Your Ways" off Just A Little Bit Of Soul. That was when It was what was in the groove that counted!. Not re issues, but legitemate first (UK) issue. Paul Not really a newby, but having problems with my paul r account. Edited December 22, 2006 by PaulR
Guest stromberg Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 What are the rarest soul albums both 6ts and 7ts? I collect albums as much as 45s as there are some great tunes hidden away on albums that rarely get played. Also you can pick up a track on the original format that is also an original release much cheaper than the 45. A case in point would be I just bought JACKIE WILSON album BEAUTIFUL DAY (BRUNSWICK 1972). I paid £15 for it and wanted it mostly for BECAUSE OF YOU, which would set me back £150 from some record dealers. Any one else pick up original albums with tracks that are pricey on 45 format? Don Gardner "We're gonna make it big", Master 5, very expensive on 45, very cheap to get on the album "lay a little lovin'" by baby Washington and Don Gardner...great track
Guest Posted December 23, 2006 Posted December 23, 2006 ben e king - larry williams and johnny watson - esther phillips - the mighty marvelows - garnet mimms X 3 - jive five - vi velasco - ruby andrews - herbie goins -roosvelt grier - deon jackson - chris bartley - chris clark - barbra mcnier - irma thomas - o jays - billy butler - shorty long - jackie wilson - long john baldry - spyder turner - clyde mcphatter - major lance - johnny nash - originals - freddie butler - incredibles - archie bell - the metros - the tempests - jackie edwards - baby washington - hesitations - timi yuro - glaydys knight - spellbinders - skull snaps - rufus lumley - ketty lester -bobby bland.. freda payne - shades of blue - earl van dyke - big maybelle - artistics - gene chandler - barbara lewis - eddie holman - carla thomas - little anthony - maxine brown - barbrara mercer - the kelly brothers - gino (atac) - mandrill -chuck jackson - then there is the Fania stuff and the Motown.....then there are the 60s uk compilations....all of the top of my head - Perhaps they should do a LP top 20 in the expert on soul books? loads of massive tracks on lps! I could do a great set without even getting a 45 out! Always looking out for 33s buddy! I also felt that buying LPs gave me a better understanding of the artists broader style of Soul music and not just for the Northern dancer that i purchased the album for! Too Original to slag down - too big to fit into the DJs 45 boxes - Happy Christmas Mossy!!!
Guest Posted December 23, 2006 Posted December 23, 2006 Everyone seems to want the easy route into collecting rare records, why not get a few years behind you,look and learn, travel a bit, talk to people, make yourself known, have some tapes to swap.............do the groundwork.................lastly with the advent of the www, you have an absolute plethora of information........but then AGAIN you probably want someone else to tell you what they think is rare/acceptable.......DO ME A FAVOUR. BRETT hey mate - he was only asking a question - what an arrogant reply! He started a thread on the LP subject which unless you are an expert on is a great question? Are you an expert on quality 33 releases? I am sure you must be or you would have not been so arrogant!!!! By the way who is "Everyone" and what is an "Easy route" Happy Christmas Soul Experts Everywhere (Even Ambiguous ones)
Sean Hampsey Posted December 23, 2006 Posted December 23, 2006 I also felt that buying LPs gave me a better understanding of the artists broader style of Soul music and not just for the Northern dancer that i purchased the album for! Excellent point. Superbly put. Sean
Guest Posted December 23, 2006 Posted December 23, 2006 Excellent point. Superbly put. Sean Thanks Buddy......."Soul.....and... Mean it!"
Sunnysoul Posted December 23, 2006 Posted December 23, 2006 I don't think theirs owt wrong with playing lps personally regardless whether the track is on 45 or not. As usual Chalky, you bring some good sense to the discussion ... Personally, I have much less respect for so-called DJ's who moan "I couldn't be arsed carrying LP's about..." as an excuse for just being ignorant & lazy DJ's
Chalky Posted December 23, 2006 Posted December 23, 2006 Excellent point. Superbly put. Sean Gotta agree few more from me, Monitors - Greetings, two great dancers on the lp, both lp only Righteous Brothers - Souled Out, contains the fab It's Up To You never released on 45 plus 4 or 5 other great blue eyed soul tracks. Ann Peeble - If This Is Heaven. Fantastic Four - Gotta Have Your Love.
Guest andyrattigan Posted December 24, 2006 Posted December 24, 2006 Everyone seems to want the easy route into collecting rare records, why not get a few years behind you,look and learn, travel a bit, talk to people, make yourself known, have some tapes to swap.............do the groundwork.................lastly with the advent of the www, you have an absolute plethora of information........but then AGAIN you probably want someone else to tell you what they think is rare/acceptable.......DO ME A FAVOUR. BRETT I just buy records I like because of the quality of the music not the rariety factor. My ego isn't wrapped up in how rare my records are. I was just curious about the rariety of some records. I have been into Soul for over 16 years and growing up in the west of Ireland it wasnt so easy to access the sounds apart from compilation albums like kent and charly stuff. I used to travel a long distance to allnighters in England to buy new sounds. Now that I live here collecting is much easier. If somebody had been as rude to me as you have when I first came over to England I would have been well shocked. Im really glad that the majority of people on the scene are friendly and helpful and not so arrogant. Not everyone is a "vinyl expert" as some of us spend more time listening and dancing to the music.
Soul-slider Posted December 24, 2006 Posted December 24, 2006 I also remember when it was OK to play indemand tracks Like "Honest To Goodness" off the Funky Bottom Congregation Album, and "Change Your Ways" off Just A Little Bit Of Soul. That was when It was what was in the groove that counted!. Not re issues, but legitemate first (UK) issue. Paul Not really a newby, but having problems with my paul r account. Spot on!, no UK 45 legally available, only on this UK RCA compilation album.
Jim G Posted December 24, 2006 Posted December 24, 2006 A Little Bit Of Soul album. What does it change hands for these days? I bought mine in '75 in Bathgate for 75p
Soul-slider Posted December 24, 2006 Posted December 24, 2006 A Little Bit Of Soul album. What does it change hands for these days? I bought mine in '75 in Bathgate for 75p Wouldn't have thought it was too expensive but i've only ever seen 1 copy for sale and that's the one I own!! Car Boot sale special, £1 about 10 years ago.
Guest WPaulVanDyk Posted December 28, 2006 Posted December 28, 2006 LP's i consider maybe false but stuff like Jackie Wilson - Higher and Higher seems rarer compared to the single. Jimmy James and the Vagabonds - a New Religion Jimmy Ruffin - The Jimmy Ruffin way but again it's not how much they are worth as i have albums by The Tramps, New York City, Real Thing, Harold Melvin and the Bluenotes which to me are great all 70's stuff.
Billy Freemantle Posted December 28, 2006 Posted December 28, 2006 (edited) Everyone seems to want the easy route into collecting rare records, why not get a few years behind you,look and learn, travel a bit, talk to people, make yourself known, have some tapes to swap.............do the groundwork.................lastly with the advent of the www, you have an absolute plethora of information........but then AGAIN you probably want someone else to tell you what they think is rare/acceptable.......DO ME A FAVOUR. BRETT Perhaps he is interested in listening to the music not just collecting it. Sorry, but your response seems a bit juvenile to me, Killer. Edited December 28, 2006 by Billy Freemantle
soulAdequateNP Posted December 28, 2006 Posted December 28, 2006 Point to remember also - sometimes the lp version is longer than the 45 - eg Curtis Mayfield "Move On Up", Prince Phillip Mithcell "Im So Happy", GIl Scott Heron "The Bottle" - no doubt there are other examples
Guest recordman Posted December 28, 2006 Posted December 28, 2006 Pick these LP's up if you see them Willie Hutch - Soul Portrait - RCA Willie Hutch - Ode To My Lady - Motown Walter Jackson - Speak Her Name - Okeh Sandra Wright - Wounded Woman - Demon Chuck Jackson-Through All Times - ABC Smoke - Risin' - J Bridge Records ( Brilliant 70s Album ) Tyrone Davis - Turn Back The Hands Of Time - Dakar ( Got To Be One Of The Best Albums ) Lou Courtney - I'm In Need Of Love - Epic ( Incredible Album ) Bobby Thurston - Sweetest Piece Of The Pie - Mainline All I Would Say About Playing Albums Out Is That They Tend To Be Lower Volume And Sometimes Don't Come Across The Same Even Over A Good System
Guest mel brat Posted December 28, 2006 Posted December 28, 2006 I also remember when it was OK to play indemand tracks Like "Honest To Goodness" off the Funky Bottom Congregation Album, and "Change Your Ways" off Just A Little Bit Of Soul. That was when It was what was in the groove that counted!. Not re issues, but legitemate first (UK) issue. Paul Not really a newby, but having problems with my paul r account. Quite right! I remember Graham Warr playing "Honest To Goodness" off the UK album at the same time as Gladys Knight's magnificent "Ain't You Glad You Chose Love" (album only), and "There's A Ghost In My House" from a Motown compilation album.
Codfromderby Posted December 28, 2006 Posted December 28, 2006 Pick these LP's up if you see them Willie Hutch - Soul Portrait - RCA Willie Hutch - Ode To My Lady - Motown Walter Jackson - Speak Her Name - Okeh Sandra Wright - Wounded Woman - Demon Chuck Jackson-Through All Times - ABC Smoke - Risin' - J Bridge Records ( Brilliant 70s Album ) Tyrone Davis - Turn Back The Hands Of Time - Dakar ( Got To Be One Of The Best Albums ) Lou Courtney - I'm In Need Of Love - Epic ( Incredible Album ) Bobby Thurston - Sweetest Piece Of The Pie - Mainline All I Would Say About Playing Albums Out Is That They Tend To Be Lower Volume And Sometimes Don't Come Across The Same Even Over A Good System bobby thurston, well hard on original mainline but available on reissue, fckuing excellent buy it now every track on the just ask me side is awesome
Codfromderby Posted December 28, 2006 Posted December 28, 2006 Don Gardner "We're gonna make it big", Master 5, very expensive on 45, very cheap to get on the album "lay a little lovin'" by baby Washington and Don Gardner...great track oh shit, i think ive just let a don gardner "make it big" 45 go for next to nowt, oh well better get out more and learn
Guest Dodger Posted December 29, 2006 Posted December 29, 2006 All I Would Say About Playing Albums Out Is That They Tend To Be Lower Volume And Sometimes Don't Come Across The Same Even Over A Good System Anthony White 'Yes You Need Love' from his Philly album is a prime example of that.
Guest Posted December 29, 2006 Posted December 29, 2006 I just listened to Chi-Lites "Give It Away" earlier today. I don't know how much was released on 45 from this album but it's a pleasure from start to end. Bobby Glenn "Hey Love" from "Shout it out" on koala. Endless reasons to buy albums.
Guest Posted December 31, 2006 Posted December 31, 2006 Its obvious to me, Many SOUL fans collect, realise and appreciate the importance of the humble Original 33 ! Perhaps it is time for somebody to come up with an essential top 6Ts 33 rpm Soul book? (What a nice book that would be with all the great covers?) Or are we happy just picking them up cheaper (For now?) ....with the extra tunes on....and lovley old Soul pictures and sleeve notes???? Answers on a 12 inch postcard please!!!
Soul-slider Posted December 31, 2006 Posted December 31, 2006 Its obvious to me, Many SOUL fans collect, realise and appreciate the importance of the humble Original 33 ! Perhaps it is time for somebody to come up with an essential top 6Ts 33 rpm Soul book? (What a nice book that would be with all the great covers?) Or are we happy just picking them up cheaper (For now?) ....with the extra tunes on....and lovley old Soul pictures and sleeve notes???? Answers on a 12 inch postcard please!!! Been thinking the same thing about an L.P collectors book.....anyone?...John Manship???
Guest Brett F Posted January 1, 2007 Posted January 1, 2007 (edited) Perhaps he is interested in listening to the music not just collecting it. Sorry, but your response seems a bit juvenile to me, Killer. Well i am under 60................... i have an opinion, but it seems that unless i come from that God awful sugary sweet world that lives at the bottom of your rainbow, then i will be marginalised for that very thing...An OPINION..............Jesus , thank God i am me........... and not you............... Brett.......... Edited January 1, 2007 by Brett F
Billy Freemantle Posted January 2, 2007 Posted January 2, 2007 Well i am under 60................... i have an opinion, but it seems that unless i come from that God awful sugary sweet world that lives at the bottom of your rainbow, then i will be marginalised for that very thing...An OPINION..............Jesus , thank God i am me........... and not you............... Brett.......... Now......... now......... calm....... down
Richard Posted January 2, 2007 Posted January 2, 2007 Back on topic The Flashlight album by Flashlight has the great She's Pulling My Strings
Stevemochan Posted January 2, 2007 Posted January 2, 2007 The Chosen Few Taking All The Love I Can Which is The Adventurers with all their recordings from the Blue Rock lable.
Sanquine Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 The Chosen Few Taking All The Love I CanWhich is The Adventurers with all their recordings from the Blue Rock lable. Was a lucky girl xmas morning - woke to find this in my xmas stocking from Chalky - nice surprise been on my want's list a few month's - excellent LP - this is a very good buy as not only does it have "The birth of a playboy" n "I've caught you cheating" but all the other track's worthy of a listen.... Karen
Guest Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Now......... now......... calm....... down <----------The Killer Everybody else -------------> HAPPY NEW YEAR! Oh nearly forgot........Tony Middleton LP on Speed records...............Fantastic! Gladys Knight on MAXX - Very nice LP Marva Whitney on KING - Great Funky Soul........JOHNNY NASH - Teardrops in the rain - on Cadet - All his great Argo sides on one disc - Fantastic LP !
Guest Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 And Tina Mason on Capitol - Thants a nice Lp and a good looking girl too! errrrrrrrrrrrrr Terry Callier..............The Sapphires "Who do you love" on Swan................Maxine Brown and Chuck Jacksons done a few Lps on Wand errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Carla Thomas........................Spankey Wilson...........Gene Chandler.....Big Maybelle...............Barbara Lewis...........Marlena Shaw......The Vibrations...........Baby Washington..........Bla Bla Bla LPOKBYMe!
Guest Martin Posted February 5, 2007 Posted February 5, 2007 Mellow mellow leon haywood is a great album! Baby reconsider and Aint no use is on it and a lot more great, great songs.
Soul-slider Posted February 5, 2007 Posted February 5, 2007 Mellow mellow leon haywood is a great album! Baby reconsider and Aint no use is on it and a lot more great, great songs. Especially...'NOT WHILE YOU'RE STANDING THERE' awesome tune off that album...ONLY!!!
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