Blackpoolsoul Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 I apologise if this has already been covered, but I can find little about Karl, who seems to have been prolific having been a writer and producer for many acts The Kavettes, Mel And Tim, Bull & The Matadors, Jackie Wilson, Jo Ann Garrett, Chicago Allstars, The Voice Masters, Gene Chandler etc. He had a clear connection to Andrew Williams (Already have his story) and Carl Davis, but there appears to be little info on the Web. He did one single himself (that I know of) I guess there are Chicago experts on here who may know a little or a lot, but I think we need his story, if you can help please Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 He died in the 70s, Was more a producer and songwriter than recording artist. He wrote Why Am I Crying for Shirley Wahls. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Davenpete Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Didn't he record 'Competition Ain't Nothin' : ) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted March 2, 2019 Author Share Posted March 2, 2019 1 minute ago, DaveNPete said: Didn't he record 'Competition Ain't Nothin' : ) No, sorry, that was Carl Carlton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 One of the unsung heroes of Chicago music. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Billy Jo Jim Bob Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: I apologise if this has already been covered, but I can find little about Karl, who seems to have been prolific having been a writer and producer for many acts The Kavettes, Mel And Tim, Bull & The Matadors, Jackie Wilson, Jo Ann Garrett, Chicago Allstars, The Voice Masters, Gene Chandler etc. He had a clear connection to Andrew Williams (Already have his story) and Carl Davis, but there appears to be little info on the Web. He did one single himself (that I know of) I guess there are Chicago experts on here who may know a little or a lot, but I think we need his story, if you can help please I think the Robert Pruter book 'Chicago Soul' will provide quite a bit of info as he delves deeply into the history of Chicago's black music scene. I read it years ago and my copy is in storage but I'm sure Tarleton gets a bit of coverage. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/362107.Chicago_Soul ATB Andy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Billy Jo Jim Bob said: I think the Robert Pruter book 'Chicago Soul' will provide quite a bit of info as he delves deeply into the history of Chicago's black music scene. I read it years ago and my copy is in storage but I'm sure Tarleton gets a bit of coverage. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/362107.Chicago_Soul ATB Andy Very little about him in it mate, just that he died sometime in the 70s, Shirley Wahls recorded his demos, Why Am I Crying being one such demo originally. She did such a good job they recorded it on her. 65000 it sold in Chicago alone according to Shirley. He gets a mention on three pages for his songwriting, that is about it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Billy Jo Jim Bob Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 1 minute ago, chalky said: Very little about him in it mate, just that he died sometime in the 70s, Shirley Wahls recorded his demos, Why Am I Crying being one such demo originally. She did such a good job they recorded it on her. 65000 it sold in Chicago alone according to Shirley. He gets a mention on three pages for his songwriting, that is about it. OK good info Chalky. Its been years since I read it so going on memory. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 3 hours ago, chalky said: Why Am I Crying being one such demo originally. She did such a good job they recorded it on her. 65000 it sold in Chicago alone according to Shirley. Fantastic record! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Davenpete Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 5 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: No, sorry, that was Carl Carlton No sense of humour at all then? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
The Yank Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Here's a picture of Karl - 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) Yes, Karl was an excellent songwriter and producer. He was something like the "Popcorn Wylie of Chicago or Don Juan Mancha of Chicago", an independent producer/songwriter, who worked with just about everyone and every record label of consequence, in his city. I love his songwriting, both on uptempo songs and ballads. I think his style fit best with Carl Davis' productions, but I also like lots of his indie-tiny label work. I really don't know anything about his personal life. I never met him, or anyone with whom he worked closely. Bob Pruter would be the best source for information about him. Although Bob hasn't written much about Karl, he'd know more than what's been written. Someone ought to contact him. Edited March 2, 2019 by RobbK 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted March 2, 2019 Author Share Posted March 2, 2019 50 minutes ago, RobbK said: Yes, Karl was an excellent songwriter and producer. He was something like the "Popcorn Wylie of Chicago or Don Juan Mancha of Chicago", an independent producer/songwriter, who worked with just about everyone and every record label of consequence, in his city. I love his songwriting, both on uptempo songs and ballads. I think his style fit best with Carl Davis' productions, but I also like lots of his indie-tiny label work. I really don't know anything about his personal life. I never met him, or anyone with whom he worked closely. Bob Pruter would be the best source for information about him. Although Bob hasn't written much about Karl, he'd know more than what's been written. Someone out to contact him. pruter@comcast.net Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Robert Pruter doesn't know much more if anything more than what he wrote in his Chicago Soul book. He said he should have asked more questions about him during his interviews in writing the book. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 3 hours ago, chalky said: Robert Pruter doesn't know much more if anything more than what he wrote in his Chicago Soul book. He said he should have asked more questions about him during his interviews in writing the book. That's too bad. I guess I should have talked to Bunky about him, when I had the chance. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Robert has dome a bit of digging snd come up with the following biog, Illinois County Deaths. Illinois, Cook County DeathsOther information in the record of Karl R Tarletonfrom Illinois, Cook County DeathsName Karl R Tarleton Event Type Death Event Date 14 Jun 1978 Event Place Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States Address 7042 S Morgan Gender Male Age 37 Marital Status Divorced Race Black Occupation Organist Birth Date 02 Nov 1940 Birthplace , , Illinois Funeral Home Metropolitan Burial Date 17 Jun 1978 Burial Place Worth, , Illinois Cemetery Restvale Father's Name Karl Tarleton Mother's Name Ella Ward Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted March 3, 2019 Author Share Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, chalky said: Robert has dome a bit of digging snd come up with the following biog, Illinois County Deaths. Illinois, Cook County DeathsOther information in the record of Karl R Tarletonfrom Illinois, Cook County DeathsName Karl R Tarleton Event Type Death Event Date 14 Jun 1978 Event Place Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States Address 7042 S Morgan Gender Male Age 37 Marital Status Divorced Race Black Occupation Organist Birth Date 02 Nov 1940 Birthplace , , Illinois Funeral Home Metropolitan Burial Date 17 Jun 1978 Burial Place Worth, , Illinois Cemetery Restvale Father's Name Karl Tarleton Mother's Name Ella Ward How sad only 37 1978 explains a lot as to why there is nothing much about him on the Web. I think we can all agree that he was a lot more than an Organist Edited March 3, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 7 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: How sad only 37 1978 explains a lot as to why there is nothing much about him on the Web. I think we can all agree that he was a lot more than an Organist He played piano, as well, especially to compose his songs. But, I don't think he did the arranging on any final recording sessions. I guess that the only thing that can be done to learn more about him, other than trying to track down family members through his parents' names, is to compile all his record label credits, and see all his music company connections, and follow those leads to find people alive today, who dealt with him, and see what they remember about him. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kenb Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 11 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: How sad only 37 1978 explains a lot as to why there is nothing much about him on the Web. I think we can all agree that he was a lot more than an Organist yes...he was a lot more than an organist. But you can find him on Lucky Cordell's outing ( Halo Records) 1964 -https://www.discogs.com/Lucky-Cordell-If-Jesus-Came-To-Your-House-Good-Morning-Lord/master/1464945 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
The Yank Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 His "Impossible" is on Velvet Hammer's album - Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted March 3, 2019 Author Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, the yank said: His "Impossible" is on Velvet Hammer's album - I forgot he was in the group well reminded, 1977 a year before he passed Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: I forgot he was in the group well reminded, 1977 a year before he passed Was he actually a member? They were formerly Walter & Admerations, Green Berets etc. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, chalky said: Was he actually a member? They were formerly Walter & Admerations, Green Berets etc. Bottom of this link confirms he was Edited March 4, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul More Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: Bottom of this link confirms he was Forgot that, read it when BobA published it and listened to the interview too Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Platters 81 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 heres a cracker written by the man.........also done by otis leaville marvellous 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Shinehead Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Great topic , so sad the man died so young , one of those people who if you saw their credits on a record you would buy it blind. Wrote one of my fave Otis Clay records '' You Hurt Me For The Last Time '' amongst others . Why, Why , Why , was also done to great effect by The Artistics , top tune. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kenb Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 6 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: Bottom of this link confirms he was Discogs has this same picture as 5 Wagers! My money is on Boba, of course. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 3 hours ago, chalky said: Forgot that, read it when BobA published it and listened to the interview too I Bet it's the same thing as me, old age and not enough room for all the info to be stored properly 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 And this Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Platters 81 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) i was told this is him nice doublesider.... Edited March 4, 2019 by platters 81 add Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Eddie Hubbard Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Does anyone know if Karl was married to Shirley Karol at some point ? I have this Dakar record signed by Shirley as Karol ,but also as Tarleton .He part penned this side .Thanks Eddie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Platters 81 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) another goodie from Karl...Gerald Sims doing the orch fvffrfr Edited January 24, 2021 by Platters 81 add Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
The Yank Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 One more for the list - 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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