Videoing at events.

[Timillustrator]

1 hour ago, Steve S 60 said:

I thought I was in Jessops.  Some guy had set up his equipment all around the dance floor.  Remote flashguns going off left, right and Chelsea.  It was like the blitz. 

I'm assuming these people get permission from the event organiser and / or venue management, but is everybody giving their tacit consent to be photographed and then posted all over social media by the fact they've paid their entry fee?

Brilliant description! I've experienced something similar myself, could be a disaster if anyone had epilepsy (and a friend of mine has!).

I can't see how you could stop it being posted now, the genie is so out of the bottle; YouTube and FaceBook have been reluctant to take action on even very serious posts. The organisers or promoters can't do much other than ban people after the event but they're not going to. 

 

Edited February 2, 2019 by Timillustrator

[Seano]

16 hours ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

Seano already a similar thread running on this very topic, merged yours with it. 

Many thanks and apologies for not having spotted it!

[Winsford Soul]

6 minutes ago, Timillustrator said:

Brilliant description! I've experienced something similar myself, could be a disaster if anyone had epilepsy (and a friend of mine has!).

I can't see how you could stop it being posted now, the genie is so out of the bottle; YouTube and FaceBook have been reluctant to take action on even very serious posts. The organisers or promoters can't do much other than ban people after the event but they're not going to. 

 

The promotion involved with the night or the venue owner can actually ban any recording of any description so as to make it illegal in that particular venue on any particular day or night and ask anyone to delete any such recording and remove them from the premises 

Steve 

[Timillustrator]

2 hours ago, Steve S 60 said:

Went to a soul night recently and some strange individual set his camera up on a table to film himself dancing.  The worst part about it, he couldn't dance to save himself.

Maybe that was the point - perhaps he was filming himself so he could see where he was going wrong and improve?!

[Timillustrator]

36 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

The promotion involved with the night or the venue owner can actually ban any recording of any description so as to make it illegal in that particular venue on any particular day or night and ask anyone to delete any such recording and remove them from the premises 

Steve 

Has anyone ever done that? Would be a very hard one to implement.

[hullsoulie]

2 hours ago, Mark S said:

Shouldnt have to avoid the lens . I have politely asked not to be on photos vids etc at venues and it has upset a few . What these ameteur David Baileys need to realise is that we are not all self obsesed fame whores who love the attention and why should their hobby intrude on my enjoyment .

Really glad that Jud bloke has stopped just a pity that he didnt stop because he realised he was a nusiance . 

 

THIS! ^^^^^ - THANK YOU Mark S - saved me from typing word for word

[Steve S 60]

32 minutes ago, Timillustrator said:

Maybe that was the point - perhaps he was filming himself so he could see where he was going wrong and improve?!

Unfortunately he just came over as a narcissistic knob head.

[Guest Shufflin]

not everyone wants to be filmed when out having a good time, some may have professional reasons for not wanting to be splashed over youtube, teachers perhaps, maybe others

it's completely different if you are just taking pics/vids of you and people you know who are fine with it

Edited February 2, 2019 by Shufflin

[Winsford Soul]

2 hours ago, Timillustrator said:

Has anyone ever done that? Would be a very hard one to implement.

I've no idea. As you say it would be hard to implement or enforce

Steve 

[Guest BabyBoyAndMyLass]

7 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

I've no idea. As you say it would be hard to implement or enforce

Steve 

Snatch & stamp!

[Len]

7 hours ago, Winsford Soul said:

The damage was allegedly done when they allowed the cameras in to the casino.  This England.  The numerous documentaries.  The film's. The adverts. You tube.  Camera phones are just the latest in a series of recordings 

Steve 

Maybe - But that exposure also bought some 'stayers' to our Scene 

Len 

[Len]

9 hours ago, Steve S 60 said:

Went to a soul night recently and some strange individual set his camera up on a table to film himself dancing.  The worst part about it, he couldn't dance to save himself.

Yeh sorry about that - I'll practice some more before I set my camera up again 

Len 

[Billywhizz]

cameras  came into the casino , when it went world wide , saying it was the best , disco in the world ,up pop saturday night fever , bull shit , 76 down hill then lol billy , 

[Marty57]

Went to Stoke one time some twat was filming his self with a selfy stick, i'm a twat myself so i know one when i see one , have stopped going to certain places cos of constant filming .

[Shinehead]

Not just a Northern thing though is it , it is everywhere, football grounds etc ,pubs , people seem to need a visual reminder of every occasion .  

[Kathryn Magson]

At most of the soul night I go to, there is always someone who will want to take pics. A lot will take photos of the group they are with & some will also go round the room & take pics of everyone. I think that's fine, just so long as they ask first - then if you give permission for your pic to be taken, you have to accept that it could pop up anywhere - Facebook - Soul Source - anywhere at all. Permission first is the key. If you don't want your pic taking, it's probably easier just to head to the bar/toilet/dance floor/best mate that you just spotted at the other end of the room  etc when you see the camera heading in your direction - avoid the situation altogether.

[Jez Jones]

2 hours ago, shinehead said:

Not just a Northern thing though is it , it is everywhere, football grounds etc ,pubs , people seem to need a visual reminder of every occasion .  

Is it ??..must admit to not seeing much 'videoing'..but then I ;m not looking for it. I suppose its the heightened love of the social..nowadays... matching or even overtaking the love of the music

 

I'm still not sure it's 'cool' seeing granny and grandad cavorting at the local WMC ...... but hey maybe there are other reasons..

Edited February 3, 2019 by jez jones

[Shinehead]

2 minutes ago, jez jones said:

Is it ??..must admit to not seeing much 'videoing'..but then I ;m not looking for it. I suppose its the heightened love of the social..nowadays... matching or even overtaking the love of the music

 

I'm still not sure it's 'cool' seeing granny and grandad cavorting at the local WMC ......

My apologies I meant pictures not videos.

[Jez Jones]

1 minute ago, shinehead said:

My apologies I meant pictures not videos.

Right gotcha...and YES that is deffo on the increase

[Mark S]

2 hours ago, Kathryn Magson said:

 If you don't want your pic taking, it's probably easier just to head to the bar/toilet/dance floor/best mate that you just spotted at the other end of the room  etc when you see the camera heading in your direction - avoid the situation altogether.

This is the bit I dont get why should I have to avoid the situation ? Could end up spending the whole night avoiding the knob with the camera .

[Kathryn Magson]

43 minutes ago, Mark S said:

This is the bit I dont get why should I have to avoid the situation ? Could end up spending the whole night avoiding the knob with the camera .

Quite agree with you there Mark, but they normally only go round the room once so I don't find it too bad to dodge the cameras. Never been one for having my pic taken

[Len]

11 hours ago, shinehead said:

Not just a Northern thing though is it , it is everywhere, football grounds etc ,pubs , people seem to need a visual reminder of every occasion .  

You're right - And they miss the actual 'live' experience. 

Len 

[Len]

9 hours ago, shinehead said:

My apologies I meant pictures not videos.

You may have meant pictures, but look at most live concerts nowadays, there's a 'herd' of tablets / phones being held up filming it, which I think takes something away from the whole experience.

Len 

[Timillustrator]

On 02/02/2019 at 16:23, manus said:

I can understand a one off recording of an event and thankfully there's a bit footage of events that offset the idea that everyone dressed and danced in only one style ( Wigan doc). But mostly the video/camera recording is not about creating a document of time and place anymore it's more about a performance for the camera and folks aren't living in the moment of the record anymore but more interested in the resulting YouTube video.

I remember my mate getting a video camera back in the 80's - it was the size of a small fridge and weighed a ton, videotape was expensive too so we never did much filming, mainly made bad "experimental" films; wouldn't have dreamt of taking it anywhere because it cost a fortune and was so heavy. Now of course everyone has a "free" one in their pockets. Certainly with my kids, posting video is taking over from photos as technology gets faster, so there's only going to be more and more and more of it. 

Edited March 12, 2019 by Timillustrator

[MartynJJ]

Being one of those who photographs at events I'd like to put on record my own ethos on the topic.

First and foremost for me, is the absolute need to respect the venue and the people who are attending. This respect is given on the night and in the images I end up choosing to display. I don't photograph for the sake of it. I do it as a way of given something back to a movement I am passionate about. People go to events to hear music and to express that emotional connection on the dance floor. The dance floor is not a place for a person with a camera, its for people who want to dance.

I always get permission from the venue promoters and I appreciate it when they allow me to take image and if they actively let the room know there is a photographer in attendance, so no surprises.

If individuals don't wish to have a photo taken, a quiet word is always respected. I'm not difficult to spot to be honest. I always have my facebook page at the ready so I can share the sort of work I produce and it generally puts a lot of people at ease.

I have a decent camera and a remote flash gun so I have learnt to be as unobtrusive as possible given what I have to hand. Shoot from the sidelines and in short bursts. I never strobe the flash, there is no need and I never wander around with a bloody big spotlight constantly lighting up the environment as I witnessed last week at an event.

I try and get to events where a few people already know me and can vouch for me as both a person and in terms of what I do. A few personal sponsors at a venue is helpful in case of any questions or concerns.

I do this because it's a movement I love and  have been involved in for many years. I want to portray the scene and the people who make up the scene in the best possible light, in a way that is respectful to the music, the personal emotions a good night generates and to the people who attend. If I ever thought that I was not contributing to an event in a positive way then the camera goes away. I have learnt the hard way to judge a room and the mood. If I'm instinctively not enjoying a night, then I know that will not come through in the images. I have worked hard to forge a strong and positive relationship with the scene and I value and guard my personal reputation a strongly as possible.

I'm not a professional photographer, the images I take I hope reflect my passion for the scene and I hope that my images portray that same emotional connection for others who view them. I don't sell my images or make any money from what I do. And I don't publish images for the sake of it. Each image is carefully processed and assessed. If I have any doubts about an image, it doesn't go public. If I publish crap, I will eventually lose any respect and integrity for what I am trying to do. I really don't want to be an arsehole with a camera who turns up to annoy people and spoil their night or event. I'm plenty enough of an arsehole in other aspects of my life

As a shameless plug my work can be viewed at my Facebook page linked below. I hope that you can take a few moments to take a look and be assured that there are a few of us out there that are really trying to put something a little more positive back into a scene we love and enjoy as much as everyone who has contributed to this discussion.

https://www.facebook.com/souledonsoul/

Peace, Love and Respect

Martyn

[Baz1]

31 minutes ago, MartynJJ said:

Being one of those who photographs at events I'd like to put on record my own ethos on the topic.

First and foremost for me, is the absolute need to respect the venue and the people who are attending. This respect is given on the night and in the images I end up choosing to display. I don't photograph for the sake of it. I do it as a way of given something back to a movement I am passionate about. People go to events to hear music and to express that emotional connection on the dance floor. The dance floor is not a place for a person with a camera, its for people who want to dance.

I always get permission from the venue promoters and I appreciate it when they allow me to take image and if they actively let the room know there is a photographer in attendance, so no surprises.

If individuals don't wish to have a photo taken, a quiet word is always respected. I'm not difficult to spot to be honest. I always have my facebook page at the ready so I can share the sort of work I produce and it generally puts a lot of people at ease.

I have a decent camera and a remote flash gun so I have learnt to be as unobtrusive as possible given what I have to hand. Shoot from the sidelines and in short bursts. I never strobe the flash, there is no need and I never wander around with a bloody big spotlight constantly lighting up the environment as I witnessed last week at an event.

I try and get to events where a few people already know me and can vouch for me as both a person and in terms of what I do. A few personal sponsors at a venue is helpful in case of any questions or concerns.

I do this because it's a movement I love and  have been involved in for many years. I want to portray the scene and the people who make up the scene in the best possible light, in a way that is respectful to the music, the personal emotions a good night generates and to the people who attend. If I ever thought that I was not contributing to an event in a positive way then the camera goes away. I have learnt the hard way to judge a room and the mood. If I'm instinctively not enjoying a night, then I know that will not come through in the images. I have worked hard to forge a strong and positive relationship with the scene and I value and guard my personal reputation a strongly as possible.

I'm not a professional photographer, the images I take I hope reflect my passion for the scene and I hope that my images portray that same emotional connection for others who view them. I don't sell my images or make any money from what I do. And I don't publish images for the sake of it. Each image is carefully processed and assessed. If I have any doubts about an image, it doesn't go public. If I publish crap, I will eventually lose any respect and integrity for what I am trying to do. I really don't want to be an arsehole with a camera who turns up to annoy people and spoil their night or event. I'm plenty enough of an arsehole in other aspects of my life

As a shameless plug my work can be viewed at my Facebook page linked below. I hope that you can take a few moments to take a look and be assured that there are a few of us out there that are really trying to put something a little more positive back into a scene we love and enjoy as much as everyone who has contributed to this discussion.

https://www.facebook.com/souledonsoul/

Peace, Love and Respect

Martyn

Great pics martyn atb baz

[Guest Shufflin]

we discussed this yesterday and decided not to go to a certain weekender this year after the George Orwell treatment last year, filming in public is allowed and yes soul do's are public events, doesn't mean you should be filming everyone though

don't mind artists doing drawings or friends taking photos of them and their mates etc

Edited March 12, 2019 by Shufflin

[Timillustrator]

1 hour ago, MartynJJ said:

As a shameless plug my work can be viewed at my Facebook page linked below. I hope that you can take a few moments to take a look and be assured that there are a few of us out there that are really trying to put something a little more positive back into a scene we love and enjoy as much as everyone who has contributed to this discussion.

https://www.facebook.com/souledonsoul/

Peace, Love and Respect

Martyn

Great stuff, you clearly know what you are doing - maintaining the grittiness and dark backlighting. All too often people over use flash or lighting (particularly on videos) and it looks as bright as an operating theatre a totally sterile environment.

[Len]

10 hours ago, Timillustrator said:

Great stuff, you clearly know what you are doing - maintaining the grittiness and dark backlighting. All too often people over use flash or lighting (particularly on videos) and it looks as bright as an operating theatre a totally sterile environment.

Lots of events are are far too light anyway - Blo*dy health and safety 'in case of fire' guide lights etc. Kills the atmosphere.

Sorry, another subject all together, but it annoys me. I don't want to be able to see the people on the opposite side of the hall - 'Dark and dingy' is what is needed 

Ok - Back on topic please 

Len 

[Timillustrator]

An interesting update to this; Richard Searling has just put in place a ban on cameras and video cameras at the Blackpool Tower events. 

"Just a quick note regarding filming at the Blackpool Tower. After serious consideration, and effective from May next year, we will not be allowing any cameras into the venue. 

However, filming on your personal smart phones is OK. 

The reason for this decision is that any "professional" filming must first have the consent of the people they are filming, and if not it then becomes an invasion of their privacy when images are subsequently posted up without that person's prior agreement. 

I hope you understand the reasoning, and with smart phones so proficient these days, this still allows you to gather and take away your personal memories. 

I will post a refresher note about "no cameras" before the May 1-3rd weekender so that none are inadvertently brought into the building and have to then be retained by security."

The subject of videoing has become very controversial of late, mainly due to one outlet which has come in for a lot of criticism, abuse and even cyberbullying. Although that's only one side of the story. 

 

[Chalky]

I would have thought data protection comes into force on any device including phones.

But I’m not surprised they banned videoing though after the embarrassing shambles of the “world dance championships” at the last event.  I don’t normally get involved, just watch and shake my head but the last one has to be some of the worst dancing I’ve ever seen.

[Mssoulie]

Got agree with you Chalky.

Also if you are desperate for the limelight then it's easy to win when there are no dancers in the competition. 

 

[Woodbutcher]

As Richard has strong connections with the BBC I would suspect that he's counting on more input from them to line his pockets as with last week's "One Show" coverage of the so-called World Championship , any 'private' coverage that gets posted and might detract from his limelight and affect his Christmas bonus ...