The Furys (Keymen) writers credits US and UK differ

[Blackpoolsoul]

I would like to ask if anyone knows why the writers credits were so different on the same release here in the UK on Jay Boy

Was this just a mess-up or was there another reason ?.

[Zoomsoulblue]

Not wanting to highjack you're tread - but is jimmy Mack the same as "my word is on fire "

 

Edited January 24, 2019 by ZoomSoulBlue

[Blackpoolsoul]

8 hours ago, ZoomSoulBlue said:

Not wanting to highjack you're tread - but is jimmy Mack the same as "my word is on fire "

 

Apparently not it is James McEachin

https://fanpix.famousfix.com/gallery/james-mceachin/p34808839

Edited January 24, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul
Corrected and added link

[Steve Foran]

5 hours ago, ZoomSoulBlue said:

Not wanting to highjack you're tread - but is jimmy Mack the same as "my word is on fire "

 

Not sure I always thought he was an LA actor called James McEachin or something similar. Not sure the link has ever been confirmed.

[Tony Smith]

Known as "Jimmy Mack" in the music industry, McEachin was a producer, songwriter, talent manager, and eventual owner of the record label Mack IV best known for the doo-wop group, The Fury's. He disappeared from the music scene to later show up on the lots of Universal Studios beginning his long career in film and television. 

 

[Blackpoolsoul]

1 hour ago, Tony Smith said:

Known as "Jimmy Mack" in the music industry, McEachin was a producer, songwriter, talent manager, and eventual owner of the record label Mack IV best known for the doo-wop group, The Fury's. He disappeared from the music scene to later show up on the lots of Universal Studios beginning his long career in film and television. 

 

I found his acting stuff on Wikki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McEachin

Edited January 24, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul
Altered with link

[Goldsoul]

You should be able to find audio and video of him with us at Soultripusa Los Angeles 2004 

His other major NS credit is Alexander Patton. 

Both James and I along with Alex and Fred Smith were photographed in the Point Moorea Bar In LA during the event. One of the Soultripusa group took it. Dave Ferguson perhaps?

[Blackpoolsoul]

Can we now that is sorted  can we get back to the writers anomaly please

[Constellation161]

1 hour ago, Goldsoul said:

You should be able to find audio and video of him with us at Soultripusa Los Angeles 2004 

His other major NS credit is Alexander Patton. 

Both James and I along with Alex and Fred Smith were photographed in the Point Moorea Bar In LA during the event. One of the Soultripusa group took it. Dave Ferguson perhaps?

Here you go, Kev Roberts reuniting James McEachin and Alexander Patton at Soultrip Los Angeles in 2004.

Edited January 24, 2019 by constellation161
Missing comma

[Chalky]

12 hours ago, ZoomSoulBlue said:

Not wanting to highjack you're tread - but is jimmy Mack the same as "my word is on fire "

 

No

[Blackpoolsoul]

Again and please excuse my repeating can we now that is sorted  can we get back to the writers anomaly please

[Sebastian]

On 24/01/2019 at 07:46, Blackpoolsoul said:

I would like to ask if anyone knows why the writers credits were so different on the same release here in the UK on Jay Boy

Was this just a mess-up or was there another reason ?.

 

 

Must likely just a mistake or due to lack of time/attention.

I guess they licensed the tracks from Fred Smith and just slapped his name on them for some reason.

Both songs are registered with BMI according to the writers on the Keymen labels.

https://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=782751&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True

https://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=664315&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True

[Blackpoolsoul]

2 minutes ago, Sebastian said:

 

Must likely just a mistake or due to lack of time/attention.

I guess they licensed the tracks from Fred Smith and just slapped his name on them for some reason.

Both songs are registered with BMI according to the writers on the Keymen labels.

https://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=782751&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True

https://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=664315&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True

Thanks your a star 

[Steve Foran]

2 hours ago, Sebastian said:

 

Must likely just a mistake or due to lack of time/attention.

I guess they licensed the tracks from Fred Smith and just slapped his name on them for some reason.

Both songs are registered with BMI according to the writers on the Keymen labels.

https://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=782751&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True

https://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=664315&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True

I thought the same but was not certain

[Zoomsoulblue]

Ok. I appreciate all the comments ref Jimmy Mack much appreciated - I can now sleep better - however 

BACK TO THE Q:

I would like to ask if anyone knows why the writers credits were so different on the same release here in the UK on Jay Boy

 Was this just a mess-up or was thereanother reason ?.

[Kenb]

There are lots of sides where writers, artists, arrangers, family and friends, etc, - who have nothing to do with the actual recording, get put on or share credits. In many cases, everybody knew everybody else in a certain ‘music town’ (so to speak), and this was a way of looking after each other as  “Brothers & “ Sisters”.

[Goldsoul]

20 hours ago, constellation161 said:

Here you go, Kev Roberts reuniting James McEachin and Alexander Patton at Soultrip Los Angeles in 2004.

Thank ya Dave

[Blackpoolsoul]

2 hours ago, Kenb said:

There are lots of sides where writers, artists, arrangers, family and friends, etc, - who have nothing to do with the actual recording, get put on or share credits. In many cases, everybody knew everybody else in a certain ‘music town’ (so to speak), and this was a way of looking after each other as  “Brothers & “ Sisters”.

I agree but on the other hand there was a lot of stealing going on as regards credits too, I think in this case we may never know though

[Blackpoolsoul]

so as regards the writers "Evans, Moore, Soloman and Jackson" do we know who they all are

[Chalky]

15 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

so as regards the writers "Evans, Moore, Soloman and Jackson" do we know who they all are

James Moore, Phil Soloman and Jerome Evans according to a quick search

[Blackpoolsoul]

51 minutes ago, chalky said:

James Moore, Phil Soloman and Jerome Evans according to a quick search

Is the other one Chuck Jackson

[Kenb]

On 25/01/2019 at 16:00, Blackpoolsoul said:

I agree but on the other hand there was a lot of stealing going on as regards credits too, I think in this case we may never know though

i think the point i was (badly) trying to make was about writers credits on 'the original' versus the UK imprint. When (and by the time) it got to Edward Kassner's label ( Jay Boy, President, etc) a. he wasn't that bothered, b. more info was available. There are many examples across these labels where those credited differ from the original.

[Constellation161]

On 25/01/2019 at 15:29, Goldsoul said:

Thank ya Dave

Kev, not Dave.

Mick Perrins 

[Sunnysoul]

On 25/01/2019 at 18:40, Sebastian said:

 

Must likely just a mistake or due to lack of time/attention.

I guess they licensed the tracks from Fred Smith and just slapped his name on them for some reason.

Both songs are registered with BMI according to the writers on the Keymen labels.

https://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=782751&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True

https://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=664315&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True

Did Fred Smith ever own the rights to the label or the recordings ? Randy Wood founded the label didn't he ?  Until several years later when his various enterprises failed and  he filed for bankruptcy in the early 70s . Did Fred Smith ever have a commercial stake in the ownership of the label ? Who was doing the licensing to President in the UK in the early 70s ?

Edited January 29, 2019 by sunnysoul

[Blackpoolsoul]

1 hour ago, sunnysoul said:

Did Fred Smith ever own the rights to the label or the recordings ? Randy Wood founded the label didn't he ?  Until several years later when his various enterprises failed and  he filed for bankruptcy in the early 70s . Did Fred Smith ever have a commercial stake in the ownership of the label ? Who was doing the licensing to President in the UK in the early 70s ?

This article appears to show otherwise

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/fred-smith-308004.html

[Ady Croasdell]

That article is correct. Randy Wood owned Mirwood where Fred was heavily involved but Fred owned Keymen

[Ady Croasdell]

I think Fred claimed the writing of Satisfied thinking McEachin would never know about it. Jay Boy would have to put down what the licensor said. Maybe they were complicit and it was extra money for Fred to sweeten the deal