Blackpoolsoul Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I would like to ask if anyone knows why the writers credits were so different on the same release here in the UK on Jay Boy Was this just a mess-up or was there another reason ?. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Zoomsoulblue Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) Not wanting to highjack you're tread - but is jimmy Mack the same as "my word is on fire " Edited January 24, 2019 by ZoomSoulBlue Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, ZoomSoulBlue said: Not wanting to highjack you're tread - but is jimmy Mack the same as "my word is on fire " Apparently not it is James McEachin https://fanpix.famousfix.com/gallery/james-mceachin/p34808839 Edited January 24, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul Corrected and added link Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Foran Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 5 hours ago, ZoomSoulBlue said: Not wanting to highjack you're tread - but is jimmy Mack the same as "my word is on fire " Not sure I always thought he was an LA actor called James McEachin or something similar. Not sure the link has ever been confirmed. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony Smith Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Known as "Jimmy Mack" in the music industry, McEachin was a producer, songwriter, talent manager, and eventual owner of the record label Mack IV best known for the doo-wop group, The Fury's. He disappeared from the music scene to later show up on the lots of Universal Studios beginning his long career in film and television. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tony Smith said: Known as "Jimmy Mack" in the music industry, McEachin was a producer, songwriter, talent manager, and eventual owner of the record label Mack IV best known for the doo-wop group, The Fury's. He disappeared from the music scene to later show up on the lots of Universal Studios beginning his long career in film and television. I found his acting stuff on Wikki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McEachin Edited January 24, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul Altered with link Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Goldsoul Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 You should be able to find audio and video of him with us at Soultripusa Los Angeles 2004 His other major NS credit is Alexander Patton. Both James and I along with Alex and Fred Smith were photographed in the Point Moorea Bar In LA during the event. One of the Soultripusa group took it. Dave Ferguson perhaps? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Can we now that is sorted can we get back to the writers anomaly please Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Constellation161 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Goldsoul said: You should be able to find audio and video of him with us at Soultripusa Los Angeles 2004 His other major NS credit is Alexander Patton. Both James and I along with Alex and Fred Smith were photographed in the Point Moorea Bar In LA during the event. One of the Soultripusa group took it. Dave Ferguson perhaps? Here you go, Kev Roberts reuniting James McEachin and Alexander Patton at Soultrip Los Angeles in 2004. Edited January 24, 2019 by constellation161 Missing comma 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 12 hours ago, ZoomSoulBlue said: Not wanting to highjack you're tread - but is jimmy Mack the same as "my word is on fire " No Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Again and please excuse my repeating can we now that is sorted can we get back to the writers anomaly please 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 On 24/01/2019 at 07:46, Blackpoolsoul said: I would like to ask if anyone knows why the writers credits were so different on the same release here in the UK on Jay Boy Was this just a mess-up or was there another reason ?. Must likely just a mistake or due to lack of time/attention. I guess they licensed the tracks from Fred Smith and just slapped his name on them for some reason. Both songs are registered with BMI according to the writers on the Keymen labels. https://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=782751&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True https://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=664315&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sebastian said: Must likely just a mistake or due to lack of time/attention. I guess they licensed the tracks from Fred Smith and just slapped his name on them for some reason. Both songs are registered with BMI according to the writers on the Keymen labels. https://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=782751&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True https://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=664315&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True Thanks your a star 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Foran Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Sebastian said: Must likely just a mistake or due to lack of time/attention. I guess they licensed the tracks from Fred Smith and just slapped his name on them for some reason. Both songs are registered with BMI according to the writers on the Keymen labels. https://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=782751&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True https://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=664315&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True I thought the same but was not certain Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Zoomsoulblue Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Ok. I appreciate all the comments ref Jimmy Mack much appreciated - I can now sleep better - however BACK TO THE Q: I would like to ask if anyone knows why the writers credits were so different on the same release here in the UK on Jay Boy Was this just a mess-up or was thereanother reason ?. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kenb Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 There are lots of sides where writers, artists, arrangers, family and friends, etc, - who have nothing to do with the actual recording, get put on or share credits. In many cases, everybody knew everybody else in a certain ‘music town’ (so to speak), and this was a way of looking after each other as “Brothers & “ Sisters”. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Goldsoul Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 20 hours ago, constellation161 said: Here you go, Kev Roberts reuniting James McEachin and Alexander Patton at Soultrip Los Angeles in 2004. Thank ya Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Kenb said: There are lots of sides where writers, artists, arrangers, family and friends, etc, - who have nothing to do with the actual recording, get put on or share credits. In many cases, everybody knew everybody else in a certain ‘music town’ (so to speak), and this was a way of looking after each other as “Brothers & “ Sisters”. I agree but on the other hand there was a lot of stealing going on as regards credits too, I think in this case we may never know though Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 so as regards the writers "Evans, Moore, Soloman and Jackson" do we know who they all are Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: so as regards the writers "Evans, Moore, Soloman and Jackson" do we know who they all are James Moore, Phil Soloman and Jerome Evans according to a quick search 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 51 minutes ago, chalky said: James Moore, Phil Soloman and Jerome Evans according to a quick search Is the other one Chuck Jackson Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kenb Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 On 25/01/2019 at 16:00, Blackpoolsoul said: I agree but on the other hand there was a lot of stealing going on as regards credits too, I think in this case we may never know though i think the point i was (badly) trying to make was about writers credits on 'the original' versus the UK imprint. When (and by the time) it got to Edward Kassner's label ( Jay Boy, President, etc) a. he wasn't that bothered, b. more info was available. There are many examples across these labels where those credited differ from the original. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Constellation161 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 On 25/01/2019 at 15:29, Goldsoul said: Thank ya Dave Kev, not Dave. Mick Perrins 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sunnysoul Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) On 25/01/2019 at 18:40, Sebastian said: Must likely just a mistake or due to lack of time/attention. I guess they licensed the tracks from Fred Smith and just slapped his name on them for some reason. Both songs are registered with BMI according to the writers on the Keymen labels. https://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=782751&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True https://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=664315&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True Did Fred Smith ever own the rights to the label or the recordings ? Randy Wood founded the label didn't he ? Until several years later when his various enterprises failed and he filed for bankruptcy in the early 70s . Did Fred Smith ever have a commercial stake in the ownership of the label ? Who was doing the licensing to President in the UK in the early 70s ? Edited January 29, 2019 by sunnysoul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, sunnysoul said: Did Fred Smith ever own the rights to the label or the recordings ? Randy Wood founded the label didn't he ? Until several years later when his various enterprises failed and he filed for bankruptcy in the early 70s . Did Fred Smith ever have a commercial stake in the ownership of the label ? Who was doing the licensing to President in the UK in the early 70s ? This article appears to show otherwise https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/fred-smith-308004.html Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ady Croasdell Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 That article is correct. Randy Wood owned Mirwood where Fred was heavily involved but Fred owned Keymen 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ady Croasdell Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I think Fred claimed the writing of Satisfied thinking McEachin would never know about it. Jay Boy would have to put down what the licensor said. Maybe they were complicit and it was extra money for Fred to sweeten the deal 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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