Superbs on Dore

[Reforee]

Not sure if this had been a topic before but have three different copies of "Baby's gone away" on Dore.

 

I have one copy issue blue with stripes across the middle, a copy the same blue with stripes but promo copy both wit the same b side, however have the same blue label but Promo with NO stripes and with a different "B" side to the others namely "Baby baby all the time". They have the same matrix numbers in the run out groocpve and the same record issue number. 

 

It goes against all the normal record pressing, issuing, formatting information to my thinking. As different b sides get different info on the record. 

I want to know the knowledge if it's  out there? 

There's gotta be better Soul minds out there than my limited knowledge but this one has me sort of stumped? I'm not proud to ask.......HELP!

TIA

Dave H.

Edited December 1, 2018 by reforee

[Robbk]

1 hour ago, reforee said:

Not sure if this had been a topic before but have three different copies of "Baby's gone away" on Dore.

 

I have one copy issue blue with stripes across the middle, a copy the same blue with stripes but promo copy both wit the same b side, however have the same blue label but Promo with NO stripes and with a different "B" side to the others namely "Baby baby all the time". They have the same matrix numbers in the run out groove and the same record issue number. 

 

It goes against all the normal record pressing, issuing, formatting information to my thinking. As different b sides get different info on the record. 

I want to know the knowledge if it's  out there? 

There's gotta be better Soul minds out there than my limited knowledge but this one has me sort of stumped? I'm not proud to ask.......HELP!

TIA

Dave H.

Easy to figure out.  Dore's owner, Lew Bedell repressed his records for "oldies" sales every so often.  There was a constant market for Sweet Soul oldies among the mainstream African American and Chicano communities in both Southern and Northern California, as well as sales in specialised scenes, such as The Lowriders, and even some sales from record shops selling general pop music.  The different label designs represent different periods in time when Dore changed its design.  Lucky for you, I was located mostly (7-8 months per year) in L.A. during 1965-72).

The plain blue background represents 1958-1964, and into early 1965 (with a few periods with Monarch finding and using them posthumously in 1966, after the lined design started). The lined design is fairly rare, and was used in some stray, nonconsecutive periods from 1964-67.  The purple period was later.  I think it was only used in the 1970s (maybe it started in 1969?).  I don't remember seeing it until after I stopped buying current records (after 1972). 

If the matrix numbers were all Monarch/ALCO delta codes, then it is clear that the colour differences just represent later pressings.  Any deviation from that rule would be the pressing plant finding old blanks with obsolete designs that they had forgotten to use, or Bedell finding same, and sending those to Monarch.  IF the design differences you have DON'T all have the Monarch/ALCO delta, then the differences MIGHT be due to Bedell sending different designs to different plants, or a non-local (non-Southern California plant printing up new blanks using an old design.

Do your three different designs ALL have the Monarch/ALCO delta?  The LJB code numbers being the same would indicate that the cut takes are the same.  If different, then the cut takes are different.

Edited December 1, 2018 by RobbK