Timmie Williams - Who was/ Is he

[Blackpoolsoul]

So many times played and I have never bothered to find out who he was / Is

I do know the production was Harry Balk and it certainly sounds like it was recorded in Detroit

Would love to know after 43 years

 

 

Edited November 20, 2018 by Blackpoolsoul

[Robbk]

Well, it certainly is an Embee Production, and song published by Vicki Music (Harry Balk and his partner, Irv Micahnik).  But. that doesn't guarantee that it was a Detroit recording.  Balk & Micahnik often took their Detroit artists to New York to record them.  They even operated an office in New York during 1959-64.  Bill Ramal operated out of New York.  I can't recall him having come to Detroit to record.  Even those sessions he ran for Robert West, and Gwen Gordy and Billy Davis were all done in New York.  As far as the recording sound, the room acoustics and sound of the session players' styles don't remind me of ANY Detroit cut.  It sounds more like the regular New York Bill Ramal recordings.  Even Richard Tee's crew he used for Jobete N.Y. and Robert Bateman's New York productions of Detroit-style songs sounded a lot more like Detroit recordings than this.

Edited November 21, 2018 by RobbK

[Blackpoolsoul]

16 hours ago, RobbK said:

Well, it certainly is an Embee Production, and song published by Vicki Music (Harry Balk and his partner Mikhanic).  But. that doesn't guarantee that it was a Detroit recording.  Balk & Mikhanic often took their Detroit artists to New York to record them.  They even operated an office in New York during 1959-64.  Bill Ramal operated out of New York.  I can't recall him having come to Detroit to record.  Even those sessions he ran for Robert West, and Gwen Gordy and Billy Davis were all done in New York.  As far as the recording sound, the room acoustics and sound of the session players' styles don't remind me of ANY Detroit cut.  It sounds more like the regular New York Bill Ramal recordings.  Even Richard Tee's crew he used for Jobete N.Y. and Robert Bateman's New York productions of Detroit-style songs sounded a lot more like Detroit recordings than this.

Thanks Robb, I thought might have been Detroit, as it is 1965 and so Timmie could perhaps be identified, but I stand corrected

[Robbk]

11 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Thanks Robb, I thought might have been Detroit, as it is 1965 and so Timmie could perhaps be identified, but I stand corrected

Well, I was just giving my opinion.  We have no proof it WASN'T recorded in Detroit.  Just because I've never seen the name "Timmie Williams" associated with any Detroit productions doesn't mean he couldn't be a Detroiter.  Balk and Micahnik also recorded some sessions in Detroit (Volumes' American Arts and Twirl productions, as well as other Twirl sessions).  And, just because I say the recording doesn't SOUND like Detroit, doesn't make it a certainty.  We need to hear whether it was recorded in Detroit or New York from an inside source, or someone who has seen its documentation.  All I can say is that if someone placed a gun to my head and said "Was it New York or Detroit?-if you're wrong I shoot!", I would guess New York.  But, if I wasn't forced, and could bet or not, I wouldn't risk the farm betting either way.  But, then I'm conservative when betting, as my guesses aren't ALWAYS right. 

Edited November 21, 2018 by RobbK

[Blackpoolsoul]

55 minutes ago, RobbK said:

Well, I was just giving my opinion.  We have no proof it WASN'T recorded in Detroit.  Just because I've never seen the name "Timmie Williams" associated with any Detroit productions doesn't mean he couldn't be a Detroiter.  Balk and Micahnik also recorded some sessions in Detroit (Volumes' American Arts and Twirl productions, as well as other Twirl sessions).  And, just because I say the recording doesn't SOUND like Detroit, doesn't make it a certainty.  We need to hear whether it was recorded in Detroit or New York from an inside source, or someone who has seen its documentation.  All I can say is that if someone placed a gun to my head and said "Was it New York or Detroit?-if you're wrong I shoot!", I would guess New York.  But, if I wasn't forced, and could bet or not, I wouldn't risk the farm betting either way.  But, then I'm conservative when betting, as my guesses aren't ALWAYS right. 

As a young man I wiggled my ass to this tune and wonder now 40 years on why he wasn't documented, but that happens so much

I guess I am just on a mission to credit Timmie Williams with what he deserves and hope someone somewhere knows 

[Tony Smith]

1 hour ago, RobbK said:

Well, I was just giving my opinion.  We have no proof it WASN'T recorded in Detroit.  Just because I've never seen the name "Timmie Williams" associated with any Detroit productions doesn't mean he couldn't be a Detroiter.  Balk and Micahnik also recorded some sessions in Detroit (Volumes' American Arts and Twirl productions, as well as other Twirl sessions).  And, just because I say the recording doesn't SOUND like Detroit, doesn't make it a certainty.  We need to hear whether it was recorded in Detroit or New York from an inside source, or someone who has seen its documentation.  All I can say is that if someone placed a gun to my head and said "Was it New York or Detroit?-if you're wrong I shoot!", I would guess New York.  But, if I wasn't forced, and could bet or not, I wouldn't risk the farm betting either way.  But, then I'm conservative when betting, as my guesses aren't ALWAYS right. 

It’s got none of the hallmarks you associate with Detroit records ie the Impact Volumes 45’s, I always thought it was New York like the majority of Twirl / Embee product?

[Andy Rix]

I think Timothy 'Timmie' Williams also recorded as T. J. Wiliams on Josie .. And co-wrote 'Drive On James' recorded by King George (RCA)

I would agree that it is a New York recording 

Andy

[Blackpoolsoul]

8 hours ago, Andy Rix said:

I think Timothy 'Timmie' Williams also recorded as T. J. Wiliams on Josie .. And co-wrote 'Drive On James' recorded by King George (RCA)

I would agree that it is a New York recording 

Andy

That's 2 people who think it may be

 

Edited November 23, 2018 by Blackpoolsoul

[Robbk]

2 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

That's 2 people who think it may be

 

I think that's a good possibility.  The two voices sound quite similar.

[Blackpoolsoul]

49 minutes ago, RobbK said:

I think that's a good possibility.  The two voices sound quite similar.

Wow that would be great all we need to find out is a bio.......if we can

[Chalky]

1 hour ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Wow that would be great all we need to find out is a bio.......if we can

Listening to Timothy TJ. Williams - My Life, I’m not sure?

[Louise]

How about Timmy Willis Mr Soul Satisfaction on Sidra/Veep and I Finally Found A Woman and I'm A Man on Jubilee ?

Dave

Edited November 23, 2018 by Louise

[Roburt]

As Andy said, he's the same guy as T J Williams.

Timothy Williams / Timmie / T.J. all one guy ... here's his BMI song writers page ... 

I guess King George (Clemons) would know all about him (see separate thread bout King George -- By George)

Edited November 23, 2018 by Roburt

[Mike]

45.com has a note on their King George info saying that T W was from corona in Brooklyn/Queens NY

there is a 'current' group from Brooklyn  called 'the new two shades of soul' whom has an online presence , may be worth a message?

not really connected but say an interesting offtopic thing, the 'two shades of soul'  led to this 70s vietnam unit badge as apparently that was one of  the nickname of a regiment out there

[Robbk]

4 hours ago, Louise said:

How about Timmy Willis Mr Soul Satisfaction on Sidra/Veep and I Finally Found A Woman and I'm A Man on Jubilee ?

Dave

Timmy Willis was DEFINITELY a Detroiter.  I know lifelong Detroiters, who knew him well, and he was living in Detroit all along.   Timothy (Timmie/T.J. Williams) was a New Yorker. 

[Blackpoolsoul]

On 23/11/2018 at 16:11, Roburt said:

As Andy said, he's the same guy as T J Williams.

Timothy Williams / Timmie / T.J. all one guy ... here's his BMI song writers page ... 

I guess King George (Clemons) would know all about him (see separate thread bout King George -- By George)

Just found out 

The management/production team of Phil and Marion Colbert (a.k.a. Phi-mar Productions).

Phil was Capitol Records but seemingly disappeared
 

[vic4wendy]

Does anybody know if this is the same Timmie Williams?

Triple T Records

Stubborn Kind Of Fella / Just Say

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