Barney Duke Bonnie Browner

[Wheelsville1]

I've only just found out after all these years that the Bonnie label which had the Magnetics Lady in Green was one of Duke Browners Nick names,hence Harry Baulk his good friend and label owner,naming it after him.Does any one have anything to add to this? Chris. 

[Blackpoolsoul]

5 minutes ago, Wheelsville1 said:

I've only just found out after all these years that the Bonnie label which had the Magnetics Lady in Green was one of Duke Browners Nick names,hence Harry Baulk his good friend and label owner,naming it after him.Does any one have anything to add to this? Chris. 

When Harry met Barney it was a match made in heaven – that’s Hary Balk and Barney “Duke” Browner. The Duke had worked with Harry since the early sixties on other labels inlcuding American Arts where he wrote “Walk On InTo My Heart” for Bobbie Smith. But he really hit his stride at Impact alongside Harry and John Rhys. Eventually the three would make the move to Motown but not before the Duke struck paydirt with his Northern Soul anthem “Crying Over You”

[Blackpoolsoul]

[Blackpoolsoul]

[Gilly]

I went to Duke Barny Browners house in 1988 spent a couple of hours with him and got a few records too. Breaking news at the time he told me it was the Volumes in between contracts, some didn't believe me until proof was given when they sang at the Prestatyn Week-ender, then suddenly a few people became experts on the subject, that pissed me off. You can read this story and other stories when my book comes out in Feb 2019

[Gilly]

1 hour ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

When Harry met Barney it was a match made in heaven – that’s Hary Balk and Barney “Duke” Browner. The Duke had worked with Harry since the early sixties on other labels inlcuding American Arts where he wrote “Walk On InTo My Heart” for Bobbie Smith. But he really hit his stride at Impact alongside Harry and John Rhys. Eventually the three would make the move to Motown but not before the Duke struck paydirt with his Northern Soul anthem “Crying Over You”

Duke Browner was never happy at Motown, he wasn't allowed a free run. He took the Lollipops there who had a few VIP tunes and unreleased songs and they are rather good. A few people tried to ring Duke including me on several occasions but he didn't want to know, he turned is back on music and took a more regular job. I got round his house because Popcorn took me round, it was never gonna happen otherwise 

[Wheelsville1]

Hi Gilly,I know when Andy Ricks tried contacting him he got a rather Frosty reception.I look forward to reading your book when it comes out.Its a real shame you guys were not able to get him to come to the UK where he could have seen just how much his music was loved. Chris. 

[Gilly]

34 minutes ago, Wheelsville1 said:

Hi Gilly,I know when Andy Ricks tried contacting him he got a rather Frosty reception.I look forward to reading your book when it comes out.Its a real shame you guys were not able to get him to come to the UK where he could have seen just how much his music was loved. Chris. 

I told him all of this but even with an offer to come and sing was of little interest to him, he was really fucked off with the music business, anyway that Andy Rix and that Tim Ashebende met enough of their own stars but i'm not jealous I met my fair share. Those two mentioned btw are real hero's within themselves, let me tell you. so much respect.

[Blackpoolsoul]

1 hour ago, Gilly said:

I went to Duke Barny Browners house in 1988 spent a couple of hours with him and got a few records too. Breaking news at the time he told me it was the Volumes in between contracts, some didn't believe me until proof was given when they sang at the Prestatyn Week-ender, then suddenly a few people became experts on the subject, that pissed me off. You can read this story and other stories when my book comes out in Feb 2019

Ooh can't wait....that will be in my collection.....you won't sign it though and make it worth less, will you

[Winsford Soul]

1 hour ago, Gilly said:

I went to Duke Barny Browners house in 1988 spent a couple of hours with him and got a few records too. Breaking news at the time he told me it was the Volumes in between contracts, some didn't believe me until proof was given when they sang at the Prestatyn Week-ender, then suddenly a few people became experts on the subject, that pissed me off. You can read this story and other stories when my book comes out in Feb 2019

Gilly. Trust you are well mateHave you got the release date yet for your book  ? 

Steve 

[Gilly]

9 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Ooh can't wait....that will be in my collection.....you won't sign it though and make it worth less, will you

Only if you ask nicely I wont, 1-500 all numbered 

[Gilly]

6 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

Gilly. Trust you are well mateHave you got the release date yet for your book  ? 

Steve 

I'm aiming for Feb, that's all I can say to be honest, it can depend on graphics and printers time. DVD included of footage taken in Detroit 1990/1991 some you may of seen on YT 

[Lionelonthevinyl]

look forward to getting my pre order in gilly....will definitely be a cracking read with some tales and stories put straight I'm sure....kind regards....Rob

[Wheelsville1]

1 hour ago, Gilly said:

I told him all of this but even with an offer to come and sing was of little interest to him, he was really fucked off with the music business, anyway that Andy Rix and that Tim Ashebende met enough of their own stars but i'm not jealous I met my fair share. Those two mentioned btw are real hero's within themselves, let me tell you. so much respect.

As far as I'm concerned Gilly you guys were at the forefront years ago. Although I've met several artists when they have come to the UK,I envy You ,Tim,Andy etc meeting them on there own Turf so to speak.When ever we've had a chat about this I've always found it intriguing.  

[John-o]

3 hours ago, Wheelsville1 said:

I've only just found out after all these years that the Bonnie label which had the Magnetics Lady in Green was one of Duke Browners Nick names,hence Harry Baulk his good friend and label owner,naming it after him.Does any one have anything to add to this? Chris. 

I have a U.S copyright certificate in Barney,s name registering Lady in Green as his work. Not sure of it,s authenticity as I bought it in a batch of memorabilia. Anybody else seen/got one or similar ?

[Colouredman]

Dena Barnes told me that at the time i met her, Duke Browner was working in Insurance.

[Colouredman]

3 hours ago, Gilly said:

Duke Browner was never happy at Motown, he wasn't allowed a free run. He took the Lollipops there who had a few VIP tunes and unreleased songs and they are rather good. A few people tried to ring Duke including me on several occasions but he didn't want to know, he turned is back on music and took a more regular job. I got round his house because Popcorn took me round, it was never gonna happen otherwise 

Gilly, you did it; you were there and interested enough to ask questions and probe deeper; you deserved it. To say you sat in the same room as Duke Browner and talked to him, is worth more than any rare record. I’ll definitely be buying the book and I know I’ll be proud of you when I read it. Maximum respect to you brother. 

[Chalky]

3 hours ago, Gilly said:

I went to Duke Barny Browners house in 1988 spent a couple of hours with him and got a few records too. Breaking news at the time he told me it was the Volumes in between contracts, some didn't believe me until proof was given when they sang at the Prestatyn Week-ender, then suddenly a few people became experts on the subject, that pissed me off. You can read this story and other stories when my book comes out in Feb 2019

If it isn't for you and the likes of you mate we wouldn't have these fake experts.  Those who matter know who does what and who tries to steal the credit.  

BTW I remember you telling me at the time that The Magnetics were the Volumes.

[Gilly]

50 minutes ago, colouredman said:

Gilly, you did it; you were there and interested enough to ask questions and probe deeper; you deserved it. To say you sat in the same room as Duke Browner and talked to him, is worth more than any rare record. I’ll definitely be buying the book and I know I’ll be proud of you when I read it. Maximum respect to you brother. 

From you with your track history that's something, I'm about "Crying over You" thank-you Tim 

[Gilly]

1 hour ago, john-o said:

I have a U.S copyright certificate in Barney,s name registering Lady in Green as his work. Not sure of it,s authenticity as I bought it in a batch of memorabilia. Anybody else seen/got one or similar ?

can you post it up or let me use it in the book, and credit you of course 

[Gilly]

1 hour ago, colouredman said:

Dena Barnes told me that at the time i met her, Duke Browner was working in Insurance.

When I got to his house it would be late morning and after being there close to 2 hrs he got ready for work on the afternoon stint, had to pinch myself on the way out, had I really sat with Popcorn one side and Duke the other side.

[Gilly]

42 minutes ago, chalky said:

If it isn't for you and the likes of you mate we wouldn't have these fake experts.  Those who matter know who does what and who tries to steal the credit.  

BTW I remember you telling me at the time that The Magnetics were the Volumes.

All very similar to a certain person interrupting the conversation we were having with Ann Bridgeforth on a Saturday afternoon at Cleggy Week-ender bearing in mind I and Tats had brought her into the limelight  and hadn't seen her for a few years, this guy says "Ok Little Ann, Mr Levine is ready for you now" she replied, "Tell him he can wait, I'm talking with my friends"

[Colouredman]

20 minutes ago, Gilly said:

From you with your track history that's something, I'm about "Crying over You" thank-you Tim 

[John-o]

9 hours ago, Gilly said:

can you post it up or let me use it in the book, and credit you of course 

I,ll dig it out . Pretty sure we can sort it. I,m useless at tech stuff though.

[KevH]

Gilly, I didn't believe the Volumes / Lady in Green story till I heard them singing it. Had to hear it for myself lol.

Put me down for a pre-order of the  book please.

[Wheelsville1]

1 hour ago, KevH said:

Gilly, I didn't believe the Volumes / Lady in Green story till I heard them singing it. Had to hear it for myself lol.

Put me down for a pre-order of the  book please.

If you listen to Same old feeling and Lady in Green,it's defiantly the same lead vocalist.However the lead changed on there Inferno recordings. 

[Gilly]

19 minutes ago, Wheelsville1 said:

If you listen to Same old feeling and Lady in Green,it's defiantly the same lead vocalist.However the lead changed on there Inferno recordings. 

Yes it was Gerald Mathis on those two songs and Lady in Green was between Twirl and Impact contracts

[Wheelsville1]

31 minutes ago, Gilly said:

Yes it was Gerald Mathis on those two songs and Lady in Green was between Twirl and Impact contracts

That's answers a question I was going to ask you Gilly.I thought the Bonnie release was prior to the Impact release.I can understand you being a bit miffed after they came to prestatyn and people jumping on the bandwagon.I had the same happen to me,when a good few years ago I came on here after coming to the conclusion that the Smith Brothers and the Magnificents on Mam were the same group.

[Speedlimit]

Hi gilly also remember you telling me the magnetics  story then seeing them perform it live at Prestatyn brought the hairs on my neck up spine tingling moment for us all I even got them to autograph my black and white  photo which has pride of place in the record room .then speaking with them on  Prestatyn see front on the Sunday morning .I'll definitely have a copy of your book  mate

 

Regards Steve

[Simon T]

20 hours ago, john-o said:

I have a U.S copyright certificate in Barney,s name registering Lady in Green as his work. Not sure of it,s authenticity as I bought it in a batch of memorabilia. Anybody else seen/got one or similar ?

There's that and song sheets for LIG, crying over you & Dena Barnes. I think Andy Rix & Ted Massey have (photo) copies

[Chalky]

17 minutes ago, simon t said:

There's that and song sheets for LIG, crying over you & Dena Barnes. I think Andy Rix & Ted Massey have (photo) copies

I have photo copies of the song sheets somewhere. 

Edited November 7, 2018 by chalky

[Simon T]

Can't find Dena, just deleted Crying!

[John-o]

21 minutes ago, simon t said:

Can't find Dena, just deleted Crying!

It,s  exactly the same as mine in every way apart from the colour of the paper. Mine is beige ( sepia ? ). I,m referring to Page 3 which is all I,ve got I think. Bugger !!!

 

[Simon T]

2 minutes ago, john-o said:

It,s  exactly the same as mine in every way apart from the colour of the paper. Mine is beige ( sepia ? ). I,m referring to Page 3 which is all I,ve got I think. Bugger !!!

 

They are scans of photocopies of the originals. I seem to remember they were well 'yellowed' from age.  Most probably at least two copies as they are legal contracts, one copy for each party?

[Simon T]

Here is Crying

[John-o]

2 minutes ago, simon t said:

They are scans of photocopies of the originals. I seem to remember they were well 'yellowed' from age.  Most probably at least two copies as they are legal contracts, one copy for each party?

Thanks, It certainly looks the same colour as old newspaper would.

[Simon T]

Dena (posted in Dena thread too)

[Gilly]

Those are wicked, there for every ones enjoyment. Thank -you

[Gilly]

7 hours ago, Wheelsville1 said:

That's answers a question I was going to ask you Gilly.I thought the Bonnie release was prior to the Impact release.I can understand you being a bit miffed after they came to prestatyn and people jumping on the bandwagon.I had the same happen to me,when a good few years ago I came on here after coming to the conclusion that the Smith Brothers and the Magnificents on Mam were the same group.

Yes mate after the Twirl 45 and before the first Impact release, both sang by Gerald Mathis taking the lead and fits nicely in with those BMI registration docs that have been put up today.  Wait till I drop the bombshell on the Lollipops Group. 

[Gilly]

2 hours ago, simon t said:

Dena (posted in Dena thread too)

Put this up on Tim's thread (coloured man)

[Andy Rix]

As I recall the BMI registration & lyric sheets were obtained by Pete Lowrie ... many will recall he had a lot of good hits in Detroit which included a lot of Motown items .. acetates, and so on, from the clear out of the Woodward Building

I'm 99% sure I got photocopies of the documents from him .. unless Ted Massey wants to correct me on that .. it was a long time ago !

Gilly .. you don't need me to tell you how much respect we have for the things you've done .. and those of us who know do know

I recall making a comment in another thread regarding Tim's 'Tracks To Your Mind' publication and how high he set the benchmark for the rest of us .. the same applies to you

I have no doubt your book will be beyond amazing

Best

Andy

[Wheelsville1]

29 minutes ago, Andy Rix said:

As I recall the BMI registration & lyric sheets were obtained by Pete Lowrie ... many will recall he had a lot of good hits in Detroit which included a lot of Motown items .. acetates, and so on, from the clear out of the Woodward Building

I'm 99% sure I got photocopies of the documents from him .. unless Ted Massey wants to correct me on that .. it was a long time ago !

Gilly .. you don't need me to tell you how much respect we have for the things you've done .. and those of us who know do know

I recall making a comment in another thread regarding Tim's 'Tracks To Your Mind' publication and how high he set the benchmark for the rest of us .. the same applies to you

I have no doubt your book will be beyond amazing

Best

Andy

Hi Andy,your right about Pete Lowrie having some good hits in detroit.I got an absolute prestine unplayed w/d of both Duke Browner and Jock Mitchell off him and just missed out on a Nabay.When I asked him how he managed to find them in that condition he said they were file copies,so I guess they came from the same source as the sheet music. Chris. 

[Gilly]

12 hours ago, Andy Rix said:

As I recall the BMI registration & lyric sheets were obtained by Pete Lowrie ... many will recall he had a lot of good hits in Detroit which included a lot of Motown items .. acetates, and so on, from the clear out of the Woodward Building

I'm 99% sure I got photocopies of the documents from him .. unless Ted Massey wants to correct me on that .. it was a long time ago !

Gilly .. you don't need me to tell you how much respect we have for the things you've done .. and those of us who know do know

I recall making a comment in another thread regarding Tim's 'Tracks To Your Mind' publication and how high he set the benchmark for the rest of us .. the same applies to you

I have no doubt your book will be beyond amazing

Best

Andy

Andy, thank-you, I hold you, Tim, Roger Banks and Andy Dyson up there and way above me, your all more studious than myself but I can spell cat.

[Blackpoolsoul]

On 06/11/2018 at 18:04, Gilly said:

I told him all of this but even with an offer to come and sing was of little interest to him, he was really fucked off with the music business, anyway that Andy Rix and that Tim Ashebende met enough of their own stars but i'm not jealous I met my fair share. Those two mentioned btw are real hero's within themselves, let me tell you. so much respect.

Didn't Duke convert to Islam and that resulted in a distance from music, due to faith....was I dreaming or did I read that somewhere in my long last past

[Blackpoolsoul]

22 hours ago, simon t said:

Can't find Dena, just deleted Crying!

Is this link correct about the label

https://www.globaldogproductions.info/b/bonnie.html

[Gilly]

4 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Didn't Duke convert to Islam and that resulted in a distance from music, due to faith....was I dreaming or did I read that somewhere in my long last past

No mate, that was Edward Hamilton 

[Blackpoolsoul]

2 hours ago, Gilly said:

No mate, that was Edward Hamilton 

Cheers for that

I know it's a little of tangent, but didn't know if you knew about the lawsuit Harry's publishing company has been involved in.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/may/30/rodriguez-accused-misrepresentation-searching-for-sugar-man

[Chalky]

3 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Is this link correct about the label

https://www.globaldogproductions.info/b/bonnie.html

Chuck Bennett is west coast, Tokays is same music publisher as CB so I would guess they are both one label.  Looks like three or four different labels.

[Douglaschip]

Please put me down for a pre-order of the book Gilly.

Thanks Adam

[Gilly]

On ‎08‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 20:19, douglaschip said:

Please put me down for a pre-order of the book Gilly.

Thanks Adam

Thank-you I will