HELP IDENTIFY UNKNOWN VERSION OF "I WANT YOU SO BAD", ANYBODY?

[Chicago]

Hello,

does anybody know of this version of Jay & the technics tune?

we found it on acetate, with a music sheet that credits MARTIN SIEGEL/SCOTT ENGLISH from 1967

 

here is a soundclip of it

https://www.ebay-music.com/soundclips/583.mp3

 

 

 

 

thank you

Edited September 1, 2018 by Chicago

[Gilly]

cant help much, names credited are the writers but you should know that from the music sheet. Helios own 100s of songs and based in Germany. what I can say is I love his voice whoever it is. thanks

[Chalky]

It does sound similar to the lead on Jay and the Techniques, maybe another unissued take?

[Modernsoulsucks]

Sounds white vocal to me and Jay was black.

[Andy Rix]

Scott English was known to use Jimmy Radcliffe for demo discs ... And Jimmy had a voice versatile enough to not sound like the Jimmy we are familiar with as a solo artist

 

not saying .. Just a suggestion

 

andy

 

[Robbk]

Scott English was a professional singer who even had a hit record.  I believe he sang some demos of his own songs.  But this recording doesn't sound like him.  Nor do I recognise the singer's voice, The singer certainly is NOT Jay, of Jay & The Techniques.

Edited September 2, 2018 by RobbK

[Chalky]

Hard to compare on the phone but he does sound different to the Jay and the Techniques vocal, yes more white but there are similarities, 28 seconds on the Jay vocals and about 33 seconds on the acetate where the vocals strains that little bit.  I’ll have to look fir a Scott English vocal to compare. 

[Kenb]

this is a tricky one.

I thought maybe 'the other half of the writing team', Martin Siegel might come up trumps... but not sure.

Either way, there may be leads here...

1. another Helios on AR Studios is by Wiess & English, by Ronnie Dio etc -BUT this isn't the voice on the 1968 "I want you.."

2. Helios prexy was Claus (Klaus) Ogerman, and Scott English was for a time the GM of Glamorous Music/Productions (Helios).

3. Scott turns up on many sides with Martin Siegel.

4. Claus Ogerman turns up on a number of joint sides with all those above.

[El Corol]

Is this the same version as the one that Kenny Burrell had on an acetate? His was untitled and he played it under the name of Billy Arnell - so asumming he thought his was by a white singer.

 

For what it's worth, I like the "Tighten Up" style guitar licks in this - but prefer Jay's version

[Robbk]

7 hours ago, chalky said:

Hard to compare on the phone but he does sound different to the Jay and the Techniques vocal, yes more white but there are similarities, 28 seconds on the Jay vocals and about 33 seconds on the acetate where the vocals strains that little bit.  I’ll have to look fir a Scott English vocal to compare. 

We can't his big hit, "High on a Hill", which was sung mainly in falsetto, and full of twee notes.

[Simon T]

2 hours ago, El Corol said:

Is this the same version as the one that Kenny Burrell had on an acetate? His was untitled and he played it under the name of Billy Arnell - so asumming he thought his was by a white singer.

 

For what it's worth, I like the "Tighten Up" style guitar licks in this - but prefer Jay's version

The vocals sounds similar to my cloth ears, but the instrumentation differ, minus tambourine, organ  etc on 'Billy Arnell'

Edited September 3, 2018 by simon t

[The Yank]

Here's Scott on what eventually became Barry Manilow's

"Mandy" -

 

[Robbk]

Scott English on "Brandy" and "High on a Hill" sounds nothing at all like the singer in question.  I think we've ruled him out.

[Simon T]

On 03/09/2018 at 17:08, simon t said:

The vocals sounds similar to my cloth ears, but the instrumentation differ, minus tambourine, organ  etc on 'Billy Arnell'

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Edited October 10, 2018 by simon t
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[Neckender]

[Gilly]

Might of guessed it Butch  x

[El Corol]

1 hour ago, neckender said:

Is this the same version as either of the above (the OP and SimonT) or another version?

[Vinylchaser1]

What about The American Breed ? They came under the Helios Publishers

[Blackpoolsoul]

Words and music by Martin Siegel and Scott English January 1968

[Blackpoolsoul]

On 31/08/2018 at 22:14, Chicago said:

Hello,

does anybody know of this version of Jay & the technics tune?

we found it on acetate, with a music sheet that credits MARTIN SIEGEL/SCOTT ENGLISH from 1967

 

here is a soundclip of it

https://www.ebay-music.com/soundclips/583.mp3

 

 

 

 

thank you

 

Scott English lives/lived in London UK

I have found this site from 2013 where you can contact them and hopefully find out

https://www.thepaulleslie.com/scott-english-lyricist-recording-artist-producer-the-paul-leslie/