Firstly, this topic has nothing to do with the name of the title, but i thought it quite fitting!

Dunno if this has come up in a topic before but here goes anyway.

Question: -

If you could have changed one thing about the Soul Scene in its 'hayday', knowing it would have an effect on future things (i.e. the scene at the present moment), be it good or bad; would you have changed that one thing?

if so, what would it be that you would have hoped to achieve in the future (present) by changing it?(the benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing!)

wAvy

Lots of looks no replies.

possibly all thinking like me.

####ing NOWT mate

Have you any easier questions? - perhaps ones on Nuclear Physics?

I would have shot the Carstairs before they had the chance to record It Really Hurts Me

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in town MikeyPosted Today, 02:42 PM Lots of looks no replies.

possibly all thinking like me.

####ing NOWT mate

lol!

but what - not even if it meant that perhaps a lot more younger peeps would be into the scene than what there are now - keeping it alive.

After all, when all the 'forty/fiftysomethings' have got too old to dance anymore and there's only a few of us '30somethings still 'at it' what will be left of the scene!?

i know - you'll prolly say that when your too old and dead you won't care anymore.

or perhaps that it could of meant that there were less clubs competing against each other for 'punters' or clashing on certain nights even.

just trying to stir up a bit of 'thought-provokingness' on this forum for once instead of the 'yes i like modern/no i hate modern, yes i like disco/how dare you call it disco (yes, even i have been posting on them threads) - i actually thought about this question for a good - oooo 15 mins before i came up with this question u'kno!

wAvy

Edited November 24, 200618 yr by wAvy

OK Good guys like Ady C, or Andrew Bin, had started the Casino, instead of................better stop now

  wAvy said:

Firstly, this topic has nothing to do with the name of the title, but i thought it quite fitting!

Dunno if this has come up in a topic before but here goes anyway.

Question: -

If you could have changed one thing about the Soul Scene in its 'hayday', knowing it would have an effect on future things (i.e. the scene at the present moment), be it good or bad; would you have changed that one thing?

if so, what would it be that you would have hoped to achieve in the future (present) by changing it?(the benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing!)

wAvy

Would it have effected the scene in any way if the Highland Room had been an All Nighter ???. Discuss:

Russ

More artist over here singing live, now it's too late and many of them are dead or can no longer sing!!!!!

  Russ Vickers said:

Would it have effected the scene in any way if the Highland Room had been an All Nighter ???. Discuss:

Russ

forgive me Russ, but what's a Highland Room'! i'm still relatively new to this scene y'kno!

wAvy

Edited November 24, 200618 yr by wAvy

  wAvy said:

forgive me Russ, but what's a Highland Room'! i'm still relatively new to this scene y'kno!

wAvy

Blackpool Mecca mate, with Ian Levine etc, etc............massive influence on the scene even as a Soul Nght................just wondered if things would have turned out differently if the Mecca had been a Nighter.

Russ

  in town Mikey said:

####ing NOWT mate

  Russ Vickers said:

Blackpool Mecca mate...

pleeeeese - i am a laydee u'kno! titter titter

wAvy

Edited November 24, 200618 yr by wAvy

  wAvy said:

Firstly, this topic has nothing to do with the name of the title, but i thought it quite fitting!

Dunno if this has come up in a topic before but here goes anyway.

Question: -

If you could have changed one thing about the Soul Scene in its 'hayday', knowing it would have an effect on future things (i.e. the scene at the present moment), be it good or bad; would you have changed that one thing?

if so, what would it be that you would have hoped to achieve in the future (present) by changing it?(the benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing!)

wAvy

What would I change?

When I mention that I listen to Northern Soul, people who think that they know, think that I am a fan of this group

• 
  

It makes me appear to be an ageing "Bay City Rollers Fan" or something. :angry:

Why didn't they just release The Invitations Version

Edited November 24, 200618 yr by 45cellar

  45cellar said:

What would I change?

When I mention that I listen to Northern Soul, people who think that they know, think that I am a fan of this group

It makes me appear to be an ageing "Bay City Rollers Fan" or something. :angry:

Why didn't they just release The Invitations Version

arrrghhhhh stop, make it stop! ^_^

wow that's total cheese - don't like that at. all. think i've seen that clip actually somewhere before!

wAvy

Edited November 24, 200618 yr by wAvy

  epic said:

Have you any easier questions? - perhaps ones on Nuclear Physics?

  wAvy said:

arrrghhhhh stop, make it stop! ^_^

wow that's total cheese - don't like that at. all. think i've seen that clip actually somewhere before!

wAvy

Hi

They must think I've lost it big time, :fool:

In the process they don't realise just what they are missing.

  Pete-S said:

I would have shot the Carstairs before they had the chance to record It Really Hurts Me

once again Pete,common sense on this thread,how aout a thread on "who would you most like to kil(kr not included) on the scenel

  epic said:

Have you any easier questions? - perhaps ones on Nuclear Physics?

glad to be of assistance my good man! hahahahahahhaaha!

"What is the zero-point field or zero-point fluctuations (ZPF)? What is its relationship to the quantum vacuum?"

yes, i did pull this off the internet (hangs head in shame) - you don't think i'm that brainy do you?! but if you want the answer here it is: -

In the view of modern physics, the vacuum is far from empty. Take away all particles and all electromagnetic radiation and you will have an apparently empty region of space at a temperature of absolute zero. But in fact this "vacuum" will still be full of energies and particle pairs (such as positrons and electrons): the electromagnetic zero-point field, the zero-point fields of the weak and strong interactions, and the Dirac sea of negative energy particle pairs. All of these energies and particles are collectively referred to as the quantum vacuum (making the vacuum in reality a plenum). Our work so far has involved only one component of the quantum vacuum: the electromagnetic zero-point field or zero-point fluctuations. (Henceforth, unless stated otherwise, ZPF refers only to the electromagnetic ZPF.) The ZPF was a hypothesis put forward by Max Planck in 1911, and was developed by him and Walther Nernst between 1911 and 1916. In 1947 the effect of the ZPF was directly demonstrated by Willis Lamb, in a famous experiment, which Lamb himself has described as "a proof that the vacuum does not exist" (i.e. that the "vacuum" is a "plenum"). The Casimir effect, predicted in the following year and subsequently verified, is another direct demonstration of the ZPF's reality.

NOW GET BACK TO THE SUBJECT YOUNG MAN OR IT'S A DE-MERIT MARK FOR YOU M'LADDO!

goin home now, cyas next week!

wAvy

Edited November 24, 200618 yr by wAvy

  Pete-S said:

I would have shot the Carstairs before they had the chance to record It Really Hurts Me

Yep,me an all Pete,always thought it was tripe

Bazza

  45cellar said:

What would I change?

When I mention that I listen to Northern Soul, people who think that they know, think that I am a fan of this group

• 
  

It makes me appear to be an ageing "Bay City Rollers Fan" or something. :angry:

Why didn't they just release The Invitations Version

The appearance of Wigan's Chosen Few on TOTP did absolutely no favours to the scene. The DJ at the end of this shot says 'There we have it - real Northern Soul' - makes you cringe!!

I think wavy asks a very sensible question and as a new recruit to our beloved scene, I don't think we should make light of the question she asks.

From my point of view wavy, and for it's worth, it's more about what has changed that I wish hadn't. In the early days (late 60s and early 70s) we were all desperate to hear new sounds; we were fascinated, spellbound, there was a magic that is difficult to describe - but it's what hooked us in as lifetime members of this wonderful movement, that few who haven't been involved can ever hope to understand. The newness, the obscurity, the rarity, the label, the sound, the beat, the lyrics were all so important to us - but most of all we wanted, expected, demanded everytime we went out to hear something new.

Juxtapose that scenario with what we find at many venues today. The very same people who craved hearing something new every time they went out have metamorphasised into a crowd who want to live on a diet of same old, same old, same old, blah, blah, blah. And it's a crying shame that the way in which they embraced the scene then appears to have changed so dramatically now.

Don't misunderstand me, there are still people who are very open-minded and still extremely keen to discover and hear new sounds, but they are very much in the minority - they have not changed. New sounds will keep our scene alive and vibrant; I do hope your entry into the (strange) world of NS sees you in the 'keen to discover, open-minded, ever learning' camp - we might have been the driving force in setting up the scene but we are not it's future - you are. So enjoy your journey in discovering the faith, then keep it and pass it on to the next generation - but most of all, when you get older, keep your ears and mind open so this thing progresses, not stagnates - or worse regresses.

Hope this helps.

Brian

  wAvy said:

glad to be of assistance my good man! hahahahahahhaaha!

"What is the zero-point field or zero-point fluctuations (ZPF)? What is its relationship to the quantum vacuum?"

yes, i did pull this off the internet (hangs head in shame) - you don't think i'm that brainy do you?! but if you want the answer here it is: -

In the view of modern physics, the vacuum is far from empty. Take away all particles and all electromagnetic radiation and you will have an apparently empty region of space at a temperature of absolute zero. But in fact this "vacuum" will still be full of energies and particle pairs (such as positrons and electrons): the electromagnetic zero-point field, the zero-point fields of the weak and strong interactions, and the Dirac sea of negative energy particle pairs. All of these energies and particles are collectively referred to as the quantum vacuum (making the vacuum in reality a plenum). Our work so far has involved only one component of the quantum vacuum: the electromagnetic zero-point field or zero-point fluctuations. (Henceforth, unless stated otherwise, ZPF refers only to the electromagnetic ZPF.) The ZPF was a hypothesis put forward by Max Planck in 1911, and was developed by him and Walther Nernst between 1911 and 1916. In 1947 the effect of the ZPF was directly demonstrated by Willis Lamb, in a famous experiment, which Lamb himself has described as "a proof that the vacuum does not exist" (i.e. that the "vacuum" is a "plenum"). The Casimir effect, predicted in the following year and subsequently verified, is another direct demonstration of the ZPF's reality.

NOW GET BACK TO THE SUBJECT YOUNG MAN OR IT'S A DE-MERIT MARK FOR YOU M'LADDO!

goin home now, cyas next week!

wAvy

CLASS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  Pete-S said:

I would have shot the Carstairs before they had the chance to record It Really Hurts Me

Then drive over Bill Bush & his Combo in my getaway car - would be worth doing time for - & maybe ALL records would be modern when I got out.

  Pete-S said:

I would have shot the Carstairs before they had the chance to record It Really Hurts Me

That'll be that famed Pete-S sense of humour, then!

  BrianEllis said:

I think wavy asks a very sensible question and as a new recruit to our beloved scene, I don't think we should make light of the question she asks.

From my point of view wavy, and for it's worth, it's more about what has changed that I wish hadn't. In the early days (late 60s and early 70s) we were all desperate to hear new sounds; we were fascinated, spellbound, there was a magic that is difficult to describe - but it's what hooked us in as lifetime members of this wonderful movement, that few who haven't been involved can ever hope to understand. The newness, the obscurity, the rarity, the label, the sound, the beat, the lyrics were all so important to us - but most of all we wanted, expected, demanded everytime we went out to hear something new.

Juxtapose that scenario with what we find at many venues today. The very same people who craved hearing something new every time they went out have metamorphasised into a crowd who want to live on a diet of same old, same old, same old, blah, blah, blah. And it's a crying shame that the way in which they embraced the scene then appears to have changed so dramatically now.

Don't misunderstand me, there are still people who are very open-minded and still extremely keen to discover and hear new sounds, but they are very much in the minority - they have not changed. New sounds will keep our scene alive and vibrant; I do hope your entry into the (strange) world of NS sees you in the 'keen to discover, open-minded, ever learning' camp - we might have been the driving force in setting up the scene but we are not it's future - you are. So enjoy your journey in discovering the faith, then keep it and pass it on to the next generation - but most of all, when you get older, keep your ears and mind open so this thing progresses, not stagnates - or worse regresses.

Hope this helps.

Brian

My god...................in a nutshell Northern Soul...........brilliantly & eloquently put Brian. Thank you for putting into words what I have strived to for so long, but never found the right words.

Russ

Edited November 24, 200618 yr by Russ Vickers

  Jaco said:

That'll be that famed Pete-S sense of humour, then!

  in town Mikey said:

OK Good guys like Ady C, or Andrew Bin, had started the Casino, instead of................better stop now

Mike dont even think that, what if that was true would there be a 100 club today??

Edited November 24, 200618 yr by Baz

  Russ Vickers said:

My god...................in a nutshell Northern Soul...........brilliantly & eloquently put Brian. Thank you for putting into words what I have strived to for so long, but never found the right words.

Russ

Cheers Russ

I remember hearing the opening bars of Frances Nero's 'Keep on loving me' - dara dara (you know how it starts) and Gene Chandler and Barbara Acklin's 'From the teacher to the preacher' - dum da rum - that just did something for me that I'd really never experienced before. It was the same feeling I had when my good friend Sam played me his Joseph Webster 'My love is so strong' and Ellipsis 'People' for the first time. Both so fresh, so vibrant - just like it was then

The only real difference is - I have Frances Nero and Gene Chandler/Barbara Acklin in my collection....................................!!

Brian

Couldn't have changed one thing apart from Open the Door To Your Heart by Jackie Wilson would be a UK single release.

LJ Johnson got on top of the pops so that should be classed more as real Northern soul then wigan's chosen few.

Welcome to the board wavy. if you female you will at home here. me and the like take good care of females here make sure they looked after

  WPaulVanDyk said:

Welcome to the board wavy. if you female you will at home here. me and the like take good care of females here make sure they looked after

I'm sure that puts many of our minds at rest....

  rachel said:

I'm sure that puts many of our minds at rest....

First prise for the most corneyest cheesy chat up line ever Im pretty sure wAvy can handle her self with out having to be looked after............or have we gone back to the 18th century where females need 'looking after'

  BrianEllis said:

The appearance of Wigan's Chosen Few on TOTP did absolutely no favours to the scene. The DJ at the end of this shot says 'There we have it - real Northern Soul' - makes you cringe!!

I think wavy asks a very sensible question and as a new recruit to our beloved scene, I don't think we should make light of the question she asks.

From my point of view wavy, and for it's worth, it's more about what has changed that I wish hadn't. In the early days (late 60s and early 70s) we were all desperate to hear new sounds; we were fascinated, spellbound, there was a magic that is difficult to describe - but it's what hooked us in as lifetime members of this wonderful movement, that few who haven't been involved can ever hope to understand. The newness, the obscurity, the rarity, the label, the sound, the beat, the lyrics were all so important to us - but most of all we wanted, expected, demanded everytime we went out to hear something new.

Juxtapose that scenario with what we find at many venues today. The very same people who craved hearing something new every time they went out have metamorphasised into a crowd who want to live on a diet of same old, same old, same old, blah, blah, blah. And it's a crying shame that the way in which they embraced the scene then appears to have changed so dramatically now.

Don't misunderstand me, there are still people who are very open-minded and still extremely keen to discover and hear new sounds, but they are very much in the minority - they have not changed. New sounds will keep our scene alive and vibrant; I do hope your entry into the (strange) world of NS sees you in the 'keen to discover, open-minded, ever learning' camp - we might have been the driving force in setting up the scene but we are not it's future - you are. So enjoy your journey in discovering the faith, then keep it and pass it on to the next generation - but most of all, when you get older, keep your ears and mind open so this thing progresses, not stagnates - or worse regresses.

Hope this helps.

Brian

=============

Lets hope also that whilst Wavy is in the process of discovering, she and others new to the scene are shown the tolerance to enjoy 'cheesy' oldies along the way. Its a big learning curve after all and one most of have travelled. If you're out every week Wavy, your likes and dislikes musically will rapidly change, if its once an month it might take longer, go at what pace is comfortable to you, and just enjoy the experience. Cos that is the thing I'd really like to change, for us not to all have made it such a serious thing, sometimes now I think its almost got to the stage of an vocational occupation, and enjoyment, particularly dancing is secondary.

  rachel said:

I'm sure that puts many of our minds at rest....

============

"me and the like"

Personally I won't be able to rest until I find out just who 'the like' are. Sounds very cultish to me

  Winnie :-) said:

============

"me and the like"

Personally I won't be able to rest until I find out just who 'the like' are. Sounds very cultish to me

Might be some mutated form of (havent a clue how you spell it) Lycumes/likems.....in other words wearwolf type things

  Baz said:

Might be some mutated form of (havent a clue how you spell it) Lycumes/likems.....in other words wearwolf type things

==========

Lycanthropes mate Check your palm for a pentagram

Brian, Brilliant reply.

Pete S, absolutely bang on.

What would I have changed? The rule that says seventies and eighties crap must be played at Northern Soul nights.

  BrianEllis said:

The appearance of Wigan's Chosen Few on TOTP did absolutely no favours to the scene. The DJ at the end of this shot says 'There we have it - real Northern Soul' - makes you cringe!!

I think wavy asks a very sensible question and as a new recruit to our beloved scene, I don't think we should make light of the question she asks.

From my point of view wavy, and for it's worth, it's more about what has changed that I wish hadn't. In the early days (late 60s and early 70s) we were all desperate to hear new sounds; we were fascinated, spellbound, there was a magic that is difficult to describe - but it's what hooked us in as lifetime members of this wonderful movement, that few who haven't been involved can ever hope to understand. The newness, the obscurity, the rarity, the label, the sound, the beat, the lyrics were all so important to us - but most of all we wanted, expected, demanded everytime we went out to hear something new.

Juxtapose that scenario with what we find at many venues today. The very same people who craved hearing something new every time they went out have metamorphasised into a crowd who want to live on a diet of same old, same old, same old, blah, blah, blah. And it's a crying shame that the way in which they embraced the scene then appears to have changed so dramatically now.

Don't misunderstand me, there are still people who are very open-minded and still extremely keen to discover and hear new sounds, but they are very much in the minority - they have not changed. New sounds will keep our scene alive and vibrant; I do hope your entry into the (strange) world of NS sees you in the 'keen to discover, open-minded, ever learning' camp - we might have been the driving force in setting up the scene but we are not it's future - you are. So enjoy your journey in discovering the faith, then keep it and pass it on to the next generation - but most of all, when you get older, keep your ears and mind open so this thing progresses, not stagnates - or worse regresses.

Hope this helps.

Brian

thx for that Brian, atm tho, every tune i hear is 'new' to my ears (except for the ones i have on cd) so this is one BIG learning curve for me. i am always listening to new music and that goes for northern soul 'new music', as well as music of today, which brings me to my next point (thx for your comments Brian - most welcome! ): -

  Winnie :-) said:

=============

Lets hope also that whilst Wavy is in the process of discovering, she and others new to the scene are shown the tolerance to enjoy 'cheesy' oldies along the way. Its a big learning curve after all and one most of have travelled. If you're out every week Wavy, your likes and dislikes musically will rapidly change, if its once an month it might take longer, go at what pace is comfortable to you, and just enjoy the experience. Cos that is the thing I'd really like to change, for us not to all have made it such a serious thing, sometimes now I think its almost got to the stage of an vocational occupation, and enjoyment, particularly dancing is secondary.

you're quite right Winnie, my musical likes and dislikes are changing rapidly, tho i am only out bout twice a month atm but i do know what you mean. as for the being shown tolerance to enjoy 'cheesy' oldies along the way, well i notice that there does seem to be a brigade of 'i like oldies' and the brigade of 'i like newies and oldies are played out!' well, i seem to be in the league of 'i like oldies and newies' purely, i think, because i was introduced to the 'wigan sounds' by my boyfriend and wigan sounds are prolly mostly 'oldies'.

but now, as i go to venues, i hear other tunes that i haven't heard before and find i like them too and then find out that they are classed as newies!

basically, i listen, and if i like a tune - be it an old sounding tune or a new sounding tune - then i will get up and dance or say "i like this - wonder what it's called?"

  WPaulVanDyk said:

Welcome to the board wavy. if you female you will at home here. me and the like take good care of females here make sure they looked after

thx man! btw - i like your name - guess you're into his music too huh? he does some gr8 tunes!

  rachel said:

I'm sure that puts many of our minds at rest....

lol Rachel - he's not putting mine at rest now - not after your comment!!!

  Baz said:

First prise for the most corneyest cheesy chat up line ever Im pretty sure wAvy can handle her self with out having to be looked after............or have we gone back to the 18th century where females need 'looking after'

yea Baz, i can more than enough look after myself - but i dunno, i like to think that chivalry isn't dead yet! there's nothing wrong with a guy opening doors or sitting down after me etc etc! its just good manners i guess, and it's usually the older guy that you get that from! nothin like the old skool eh!?

thx for everyone's comments and for once, they arn't bitching at me for summat i've inadvertently said wrong - hence my avatar!

cyas - wAvy

Edited November 28, 200618 yr by wAvy

what a nice thread!

I would say to the newly arrived brethren, 'don't ever lose your sense of humour'.

taking something deadly seriously & not losing one's sense of humour are not entirely incompatible.

things I would have changed?

the widespread abuse of barbiturates at one point back in the late 70's. I saw some shocking scenes on that front.

& on a more jovial note, full time plumbers on attendance so we wouldn't have had to resort to waders when tackling the seriously grim all-nighter bogs.

how are things over there these days, bog wise?

Edited November 28, 200618 yr by macca

  wAvy said:

arrrghhhhh stop, make it stop! ^_^

wow that's total cheese - don't like that at. all. think i've seen that clip actually somewhere before!

wAvy

sad thing is... i looked like that in the 70s!!!!

  wAvy said:

Firstly, this topic has nothing to do with the name of the title, but i thought it quite fitting!

Dunno if this has come up in a topic before but here goes anyway.

Question: -

If you could have changed one thing about the Soul Scene in its 'hayday', knowing it would have an effect on future things (i.e. the scene at the present moment), be it good or bad; would you have changed that one thing?

if so, what would it be that you would have hoped to achieve in the future (present) by changing it?(the benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing!)

wAvy

I've been following this thread for some time, but really enough is enough.

I'd have had ABSOLUTELY no involement from any national media.

1) TOTP - Wigans Chosen Few - The name is offensive enough without listening / watching the garbage. Who The F*** chose them . It certainly wasn't me or anyone I spoke to at the time.

Just how insulting a name is that without any reference to the original acts involved?

2) The Sunday Times article is condescending beyond belief.

Another orchestrated attempt to mass market and pigeon hole British youth in the 70's.

3) England Our England - A distorted, politically biased view from the 70's that in reality had no relevance to the scene.

Did anyone really care if you were employed in a steel works or had a "profession"?

The friends I made judged me as me, not on a media stereotype.

I accept some ' trippers' remained on the scene but is is it really coincidental that the media intrest resulted in a dumbing down. (name your own sh*te recod here).

The absence of any media involvement would have resulted today in a more cohesive scene. This is of course IMHO.

Mick

Macca

The widespread abuse of barbiturates at one point back in the late 70's. I saw some shocking scenes on that front.

Agreed.

Edited November 29, 200618 yr by Tabs

  macca said:

what a nice thread!

I would say to the newly arrived brethren, 'don't ever lose your sense of humour'.

taking something deadly seriously & not losing one's sense of humour are not entirely incompatible.

things I would have changed?

the widespread abuse of barbiturates at one point back in the late 70's. I saw some shocking scenes on that front.

& on a more jovial note, full time plumbers on attendance so we wouldn't have had to resort to waders when tackling the seriously grim all-nighter bogs.

how are things over there these days, bog wise?

Yes, this is a nice thread isn't it?!

as for the drugs side of things - well i have heard stories what ppl have told me and it doesn't sound good at all, but in each era of music drugs have always played a role: -

weed/acid/shrooms = 60's - flower power

speed = 70's - northern soul/disco

coke = 80's - house music

E's/coke = 90's/2000 - raves

infact, just looking at that list i made up i can see the pattern of music that came out e.g. flower power era you think of the beatles automatically and then look at the drugs that were prolly mainly used in that time - no wonder the music was all lovey-dovey/Psychedelic! then look at the disco era (i dunno if speed was used a lot in this era) - upbeat, dance music.

but when i have been to other events (festivals,gigs) i have witnessed plenty of things at these places too.

  jemco said:

sad thing is... i looked like that in the 70s!!!!

yea, me too prolly, but thankfully i was too young to care what clothes i wore!

  Tabs said:

I've been following this thread for some time, but really enough is enough.

I'd have had ABSOLUTELY no involement from any national media.

1) TOTP - Wigans Chosen Few - The name is offensive enough without listening / watching the garbage. Who The F*** chose them . It certainly wasn't me or anyone I spoke to at the time.

Just how insulting a name is that without any reference to the original acts involved?

2) The Sunday Times article is condescending beyond belief.

Another orchestrated attempt to mass market and pigeon hole British youth in the 70's.

3) England Our England - A distorted, politically biased view from the 70's that in reality had no relevance to the scene.

Did anyone really care if you were employed in a steel works or had a "profession"?

The friends I made judged me as me, not on a media stereotype.

I accept some ' trippers' remained on the scene but is is it really coincidental that the media intrest resulted in a dumbing down. (name your own sh*te recod here).

The absence of any media involvement would have resulted today in a more cohesive scene. This is of course IMHO.

Mick

hi Mick,

so what you're saying (or may not be - i might have this wrong) is that you think that without any media involvement, the 'Northern Scene' would have stayed 'underground' and not become commercialised in any way?

i have 'heard/tell' thru reading on here that certain peeps (dunno who) 'way back when', tried to make the scene commercial to make money on it, but they quickly realised that it wasn't working and so eventually left the scene alone.

thx for your comments - all interesting stuff this. you see, for me, i think it's important to get to know not just the music itself (which, lets face it, will take me years as it is) but the roots of how the music/scene came to be about.

i'm one of them peeps who always ask 'why'! i'm not happy just knowing that it is there - i want to know why it's there and how it works etc!

still working on the secrets of the Universe as we speak! lol! teheheehehehe!

wAvy

Edited November 29, 200618 yr by wAvy