Ian Parker Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 I'm a tad confused by dates (or lack of) on it... As far as I know, The Real Thing didn't have a number 1 until 1976, plus Feel the need in me wasn't too far before that. Is this a 'faux' poster, or did the Torch carry on after the Niters stopped early 73? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mgm 1251 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, IanP said: I'm a tad confused by dates (or lack of) on it... As far as I know, The Real Thing didn't have a number 1 until 1976, plus Feel the need in me wasn't too far before that. Is this a 'faux' poster, or did the Torch carry on after the Niters stopped early 73? Hi Ian,the part where it mentions The Real Thing & and the No1's....is No1's a reference to the DJ's,and not TRT's hits?..... anyway,did you manage to get your Eddie Garrigan sorted out? Edited December 21, 2017 by MGM 1251 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Woodbutcher Posted December 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2017 To save anybody else getting a crick in the neck ... 5 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Feel The Need In Me was first in the charts in 1972..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Those dates correspond woth 1973,the same poster is also on ebay as a repro Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ric-tic Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 I would say it was real, Saturday March 3rd would make it 1973, Plastic Man was released Jan 73 for the Real Thing and they were doing the rounds promoting that here and in Europe at that time as chalky said the number 1's may have referred to something else, this flyer just looks rushed e.g number 1 spinner is wrong too they would have normally said spinners or king spinners, I thing simply rushed or errors by printer, colour looks correct, the Torch was in trouble it was almost over I'd even guess that was the last ever flyer.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 The one on ebay looks more authentic even though a repro. March 16th 1973, thats when the license was refused so I guess not long after was the end. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theothertosspot Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) Northern Soul fans win right to protect clenched fist logo from trademark Northern Soul fans have won a battle to prevent the music scene’s famous “clenched fist” logo being trademarked by a shop in Manchester after persuading the copyright authorities that the movement’s symbols belong to all its participants. Edited December 22, 2017 by theothertosspot Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ric-tic Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 59 minutes ago, chalky said: The one on ebay looks more authentic even though a repro. March 16th 1973, thats when the license was refused so I guess not long after was the end. I have to add I meant I think that's a real flyer the Torch produced, the one shown on here I have no idea! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) Here is the one on ebay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Northern-Soul-Repro-Golden-Torch-Stoke-On-Trent-Flyer-Patch-from-1970s-/311707978305 i think all the number 1’s refers to the spinners/djs Edited December 21, 2017 by chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Parker Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 Ah, so it's a printers' balls up. A big one too Thanks all, (it's a photocopy print off a work colleague, secret santa stuff🙄) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mgm 1251 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 The printers address is at the bottom of the poster....wonder if they are still in business....? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 30 minutes ago, MGM 1251 said: The printers address is at the bottom of the poster....wonder if they are still in business....? ... https://www.family-announcements.co.uk/staffordshire/view/1925860/whittaker-ron-printer-photographer-hassell-street-newcastle Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mgm 1251 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, WoodButcher said: ... https://www.family-announcements.co.uk/staffordshire/view/1925860/whittaker-ron-printer-photographer-hassell-street-newcastle Nice one WB....wasn't long ago he passed away then....and still at the same address....there might be a load of those posters,out the back,in an old shed....... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kenb Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I've never seen one with "a clenched fist" -only seen and have them with a "torch". I'd be interested to see a 'pucker one with a clenched fist' if anyone has one? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jez Jones Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) i suspect this was the early promotional efforts for International Soul Club and its Top Rank events.......clenched fist and all... here is ISC flyer... Edited December 22, 2017 by jez jones 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kenb Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 thanks Jez, yes i've seen these. and was wondering if there was ever a "Torch" branded prog with a clenched fist. personally-i think not. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jez Jones Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Kenb said: thanks Jez, yes i've seen these. and was wondering if there was ever a "Torch" branded prog with a clenched fist. personally-i think not. As I remember they were all had logo of a Torch.....I also remember other promotional flyers that were 'gold' .....or that may be the newer membership cards...memory fails :-) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ric-tic Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I just checked my stuff with all the mistakes it is a real flyer I have one.... 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kegsy Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Whether the poster is actually "original" or not I could not say for sure, but it looks pretty much like some of the stuff I have from around then. The Real Thing were doing the soul circuit in the UK a long time before they had any hit records, I think some of them were originally in a group called The Chants who were going from the early 60's. As for the Detroit Emeralds, Do Me Right Westbound/Pye was a massive play when it came out in 1971. Their Ric-Tic sides were also known although only Showtime got limited play back then. I know both acts appeared at the Torch as I was there on both nights, I met the Detroit Emeralds in Chris Burton's office before the gig. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Wicked Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 33 minutes ago, Kegsy said: Whether the poster is actually "original" or not I could not say for sure, but it looks pretty much like some of the stuff I have from around then. The Real Thing were doing the soul circuit in the UK a long time before they had any hit records, I think some of them were originally in a group called The Chants who were going from the early 60's. As for the Detroit Emeralds, Do Me Right Westbound/Pye was a massive play when it came out in 1971. Their Ric-Tic sides were also known although only Showtime got limited play back then. I know both acts appeared at the Torch as I was there on both nights, I met the Detroit Emeralds in Chris Burton's office before the gig. 'The Real Thing' appeared at Paynes Cafe Royal a few times around '70 - '72 and were known as 'Vocal Perfection' back then. I think they changed their name when they appeared on Opportunity Knocks. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Twoshoes Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Video here of the Chants with Eddie Amoo https://www.peoples-stories.com/story.php?i=VQGN4QEPMC Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theothertosspot Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Two schools of thought where the clenched fist came from. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-35174596 https://www.underground-england.co.uk/news/keep-the-faith-raise-a-fist-for-the-north/ 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kenb Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, theothertosspot said: Two schools of thought where the clenched fist came from. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-35174596 https://www.underground-england.co.uk/news/keep-the-faith-raise-a-fist-for-the-north/ makes sense to me... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Hooker1951 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 The clenched fist is a Go jo -Ryu karate Symbol and badge to wear on your Gi I know I trained in that particular martial art for a number of years and taught it to my employees it is in its purity a street style of combat not a sport very effective where it's popular on the west coast of America if a NS walked in a Do jo there he would think he d gone home Regards ML 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theothertosspot Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 56 minutes ago, Kenb said: makes sense to me... D'oh, does to me now Getting my Hartshill mixed up, thought it was a bit odd Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Back Street Blue Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Quote 24 minutes ago, Hooker1951 said: The clenched fist is a Go jo -Ryu karate Symbol and badge to wear on your Gi I know I trained in that particular martial art for a number of years and taught it to my employees it is in its purity a street style of combat not a sport very effective where it's popular on the west coast of America if a NS walked in a Do jo there he would think he d gone home Regards ML never knew that! I was a Gojo Ryu student too (BBA) .....have a job touching me toes now though! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theothertosspot Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) Were the Real Thing formerly the Chants who cut "Baby I don't need your love" on RCA (UK). Used to have a copy, may still have it somewhere. It's a great UK record (imo) Edited December 22, 2017 by theothertosspot 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mgm 1251 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 minute ago, theothertosspot said: Were the Real Thing formerly the Chants who cut "Baby I don't need your love" on RCA (UK). Used to have a copy, may still have it somewhere. It's a great UK record (imo) ...could well be,didn't they also release 3xPye singles and 1xChipping Norton"I've been trying"..... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theothertosspot Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 (edited) Written by Amoo Edited December 23, 2017 by theothertosspot Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Stevegods Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 So , Internation Soul Club always used the Black clenched fist as their logo , but I’ve never seen this on any Torch related stuff other than the flyer posted here and the repro one on eBay . Does anyone have any others ? That said , it did get used a lot around this time and don’t forget the 1968 Olympics with Tommie Smith and John Carlos , infamous human rights salute . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kenb Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 5 hours ago, stevegods said: So , Internation Soul Club always used the Black clenched fist as their logo , but I’ve never seen this on any Torch related stuff other than the flyer posted here and the repro one on eBay . Does anyone have any others ? That said , it did get used a lot around this time and don’t forget the 1968 Olympics with Tommie Smith and John Carlos , infamous human rights salute . That was my understanding too Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theothertosspot Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 7 hours ago, stevegods said: So , Internation Soul Club always used the Black clenched fist as their logo , but I’ve never seen this on any Torch related stuff other than the flyer posted here and the repro one on eBay . Does anyone have any others ? That said , it did get used a lot around this time and don’t forget the 1968 Olympics with Tommie Smith and John Carlos , infamous human rights salute . The top two are from 74 and other two from 73, so does that suggest Top Rank first used the logo? Any flyers between the dates of Jan to Aug 73 about anywhere (obviously not Torch ones after March) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theothertosspot Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 (edited) 🤔 Edited December 24, 2017 by theothertosspot Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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