Possibly THE Rarest Soul 45?

[Chalky]

On 10/01/2018 at 23:57, soulhawk said:

I heard that Jack White bought it

 

Who is Jack White?

[Swifty]

1 hour ago, chalky said:

Who is Jack White?

I think it could be this one Chalky

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_White

[sir cumference]

25 minutes ago, SWIFTY said:

I think it could be this one Chalky

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_White

Ah-the other Chalky!

[Steve G]

2 hours ago, chalky said:

Most talked about single, amongst who? A small circle of collectors in te brand scheme of things, that’s who. To the vast majority I doubt they even care if they see this in a glass case at Motown.  

Most would be interested in Michael Jacksons glove although I’m not sure what that has to do with Motown as by the time he was wearing it he’d left!  

I would imagine the buliding, the studio, where and how the music was made is of more interest to most.  

The hype from the very beginning surrounding this has been ridiculous.

^ ^ ^ This.

[Pete S]

3 hours ago, chalky said:

Most talked about single, amongst who? A small circle of collectors in te brand scheme of things, that’s who. To the vast majority I doubt they even care if they see this in a glass case at Motown.  

Most would be interested in Michael Jacksons glove although I’m not sure what that has to do with Motown as by the time he was wearing it he’d left!  

I would imagine the buliding, the studio, where and how the music was made is of more interest to most.  

The hype from the very beginning surrounding this has been ridiculous.

What hype Chalky, it hyped itself.  I told Denise when she first told me about this, just let me post this on five or six facebook groups then it will take on a life of it's own.  That's what I did, that's what happened.  All word of mouth.

[Guest woolie mark]

10 hours ago, MGM 1251 said:

The irony is,that Frank(bless him),didn’t really add much to Kenny Burrell’s signed and dedicated white label demo copy,he more or less defaced it,made a right mess of it....

I remember having a curious look at it a few years ago and just thinking what a scruffy old record it was.  Of no interest to a condition-freak like me, LOL.

From what I have been told and heard from people I respect I personally believe that there are at least four known copies of the demo, almost certainly more hidden away in the collections of people who don't want to be burgled.  Not the world's greatest rarity as per the hype?

I've never understood what the fuss is about this record.  It's not that good is it?  But hey, each to their own. 

[Guest woolie mark]

10 hours ago, MGM 1251 said:

The irony is,that Frank(bless him),didn’t really add much to Kenny Burrell’s signed and dedicated white label demo copy,he more or less defaced it,made a right mess of it....

I remember having a curious look at it a few years ago and just thinking what a scruffy old record it was.  Of no interest to a condition-freak like me, LOL.

From what I have been told and heard from people I respect I personally believe that there are at least four known copies of the demo, almost certainly more hidden away in the collections of people who don't want to be burgled.  Not the world's greatest rarity as per the hype?

I've never understood what the fuss is about this record.  It's not that good is it?  But hey, each to their own. 

[Guest woolie mark]

3 hours ago, chalky said:

Who is Jack White?

Are you having a laugh Karl?  Do you seriously not know who Jack White is?  Every football club in the world has a chant to one of his songs.

Edited January 12, 2018 by woolie mark

[Pete S]

6 minutes ago, woolie mark said:

Are you having a laugh Karl?  Do you seriously not know who Jack White is?  Every football club in the world has a chant to one of his songs.

 

[Chalky]

1 hour ago, woolie mark said:

Are you having a laugh Karl?  Do you seriously not know who Jack White is?  Every football club in the world has a chant to one of his songs.

Sort of 😜 although I couldn’t tell you one song of his or theirs, I have no interest whatsoever in their music, well any music outside soul etc. 

[Chalky]

1 hour ago, Pete S said:

What hype Chalky, it hyped itself.  I told Denise when she first told me about this, just let me post this on five or six facebook groups then it will take on a life of it's own.  That's what I did, that's what happened.  All word of mouth.

Well, tne title of the topic on here and elsewhere for starters.  We all know it isn’t the rarest 45, not even possibly.  Many only known copies out there and some Djs could do a set full of records just as rare or rarer if you take the variations into consideration.  Plenty of other daft comments too on social media over hyping the find.  I know social media is responsible but still...

[Pete S]

6 minutes ago, chalky said:

Well, tne title of the topic on here and elsewhere for starters.  We all know it isn’t the rarest 45, not even possibly.  Many only known copies out there and some Djs could do a set full of records just as rare or rarer if you take the variations into consideration.  Plenty of other daft comments too on social media over hyping the find.  I know social media is responsible but still...

Well fair enough but what's actually rarer?  What actual vinyl pressed record is rarer cos I can't think of one except maybe The Inspirations?

[Ez]

https://www.discogs.com/Frank-Wilson-Do-I-Love-You/release/11320212

 

added to my wantlist, you never know right lol

[Tomangoes]

As suggested, you are either into or not into DILYIID.

For me it's absolutely the greatest NORTHERN soul record out there. 

The story and rarity behind it, contribute to the reason why.

The impact it had when first played as a cover up and then even on UK release ( I was at Wigan the night the UK demos were handed out) all help to give it the title.

Not even in the the top 500 greatest soul records. Frank can't sing, the lyrics are messy, the clarity is poor, bla bla bla....

But, as a definition of what makes a NORTHERN soul record, this is it.

Feel free to disagree, but put a logical reason why, not simply you are sick of hearing it.

Ed

 

[Garethx]

^

I agree strongly with this. How can you crab this record from a Northern Soul perspective?

[Pete S]

7 minutes ago, tomangoes said:

As suggested, you are either into or not into DILYIID.

For me it's absolutely the greatest NORTHERN soul record out there. 

The story and rarity behind it, contribute to the reason why.

The impact it had when first played as a cover up and then even on UK release ( I was at Wigan the night the UK demos were handed out) all help to give it the title.

Not even in the the top 500 greatest soul records. Frank can't sing, the lyrics are messy, the clarity is poor, bla bla bla....

But, as a definition of what makes a NORTHERN soul record, this is it.

Feel free to disagree, but put a logical reason why, not simply you are sick of hearing it.

Ed

 

Absolutely agree with you and constantly defend it against people who just say "it's crap" when it has got absolutely everything needed to make a great Northern Soul dance record

[Soulhawk]

perhaps it should have been marketed as 'the Holy Relic of Northern Soul'

then it could have been toured around, charging the faithful a few pounds to gaze upon it, even more to touch the sleeve

oh well, Jack White has it now.

 

 

 

 

 

[Pete S]

11 minutes ago, soulhawk said:

perhaps it should have been marketed as 'the Holy Relic of Northern Soul'

then it could have been toured around, charging the faithful a few pounds to gaze upon it, even more to touch the sleeve

oh well, Jack White has it now.

 

 

 

 

 

No he doesn't

[Winsford Soul]

2 hours ago, tomangoes said:

As suggested, you are either into or not into DILYIID.

For me it's absolutely the greatest NORTHERN soul record out there. 

The story and rarity behind it, contribute to the reason why.

The impact it had when first played as a cover up and then even on UK release ( I was at Wigan the night the UK demos were handed out) all help to give it the title.

Not even in the the top 500 greatest soul records. Frank can't sing, the lyrics are messy, the clarity is poor, bla bla bla....

But, as a definition of what makes a NORTHERN soul record, this is it.

Feel free to disagree, but put a logical reason why, not simply you are sick of hearing it.

Ed

 

Ed. As I've often stated before on this forum regarding certain records. You just had to be there to understand everything. A great record of its time from the greatest time of my life. 

Steve 

 

[Chalky]

It was a great record and it does have everything you want in a Northern Soul record (so do countless others for that matter) but it has been ruined by the hammering it has had, the cheesey (and egg) adverts, the whole commercialisation that has gone with it, any credibility it had has gone. 

Edited January 12, 2018 by chalky

[Pete S]

1 hour ago, chalky said:

It was a great record and it does have everything you want in a Northern Soul record (so do countless others for that matter) but it has been ruined by the hammering it has had, the cheesey (and egg) adverts, the whole commercialisation that has gone with it, any credibility it had has gone. 

I know what you mean but I still can't agree, let's say they took what I consider to be possibly the greatest Northern record ever, Please Let me In, and they put it on adverts and played it on the radio all the time, I could never go off it or call it too commercial because it is and always will be a fabulous record.

[Chalky]

3 hours ago, Pete S said:

I know what you mean but I still can't agree, let's say they took what I consider to be possibly the greatest Northern record ever, Please Let me In, and they put it on adverts and played it on the radio all the time, I could never go off it or call it too commercial because it is and always will be a fabulous record.

It has never been a favourite of mine.  Don't get me wrong I understand the impact it had and that it is a great Northern Soul record but there are 100s that are better.  If it wasn't for the rarity I doubt we would even be discussing it.

[Guest soash]

I'll confess at the start that I haven't read all six pages of this thread, but I gather it starts by talking about a "test pressing" of the Frank Wilson "classic", and ends up discussing the merits of the recording itself. Forgive me if I have missed anything.

Here, FWIIW, is my take on this.

I spent around 30 years (1970 -2000 approx.) dealing in records between the UK and the US. I took UK stuff that was saleable in the States over there, and came back with US stuff that was saleable in the UK. I was in the Music business, so I could get ALOT of stuff in the UK, and I knew all the dealers in New York, Jersey, Philly, Boston, Baltimore, along with Los Angeles/San Francisco a plane ride away.

I bought and sold ALL the different shit that was collectable. You get a feel for it, and the dealers will tell you what they need.

In those pre 911 days, all I needed was a frigging enormous suitcase or two.

So, I will tell you just three things.

1. Don't buy Acetates, Test Pressings or any other "small number" presses. They are very, very likely to be fakes. The means (lathes, presses etc.) to reproduce them is easy to obtain if you know where to look, and frigging cheap to produce compared with the prices you can get for the fakes. This is ESPECIALLY true if the pressing is of an "in demand" or rare record. Much as collectors would like, lightning does not strike regularly in the same place.

2. Buy NOTHING based on handwriting, such as Autographs or writing on Acetates etc. It is the easiest thing in the world to copy. Just as you can look at two items and say "they look the same", so anyone who practises a little bit can copy the writing. Must be one of the biggest scams going in this business.

3. If you get a combination of 1 and 2, run a frigging mile.............

As they say in Latin, Caveat Emptor.......

PS. With regards to the recording itself, Motown staff writer, Frank Wilson, needed a few pressings so that Chris Clarke and anyone else involved would know how to intonate the vocal track. That is common practise in studios. Maybe he needed it quick, so, to push it through the pressing plant at a busy time, they gave it a serial number to put it at the top of the pile.

Fast forward, and in true Wigan fashion, someone on the make "covers up" the record.

Best record ever?

Good dancer, but (IMHO) not even on the front page 

 

Edited January 12, 2018 by soash

[Peter Richer]

5 hours ago, chalky said:

It was a great record and it does have everything you want in a Northern Soul record (so do countless others for that matter) but it has been ruined by the hammering it has had, the cheesey (and egg) adverts, the whole commercialisation that has gone with it, any credibility it had has gone. 

Agree to a certain point, except let's not forget:

1) any 'commercialisation' that has subsequently occurred is not the fault of the actual record (as per Pete Smith's 'Please Let Me In' comment); and

2) in any case, the record is not - and has never been - overplayed at authentic OVO venues.

[givemesoul]

Anybody who says this record is crap might as well call Connie Clark my sugar baby crap as well and if you do, you don't obviously know what the term Northern Soul means

[Kris Holmes]

"All you have to do is ask

I'll give until there's nothing left"

 

This line destroys it for me, as a songwriter & someone who teaches people how to write songs professionally, this has always made me cringe.  It sticks out so bad,  Everything else rhymes perfect & then this one clunker.

If only it was 

 

"All you have to do is ask

I'll do any given task"

 

From a lyrical standpoint would be perfect. 

 

 

 

 

[Chalky]

12 hours ago, givemesoul said:

Anybody who says this record is crap might as well call Connie Clark my sugar baby crap as well and if you do, you don't obviously know what the term Northern Soul means

Don't talk such rubbish

Edited January 13, 2018 by chalky

[Guest Spain pete]

10 hours ago, givemesoul said:

Anybody who says this record is crap might as well call Connie Clark my sugar baby crap as well and if you do, you don't obviously know what the term Northern Soul means

What does the term northern soul mean ?  In relation to modern soul ? , because  in today's soul music  world , some modern is now being classed as northern soul , so what is it that we are     not understanding ?.

[Shinehead]

7 hours ago, Kris Holmes said:

"All you have to do is ask

I'll give until there's nothing left"

 

This line destroys it for me, as a songwriter & someone who teaches people how to write songs professionally, this has always made me cringe.  It sticks out so bad,  Everything else rhymes perfect & then this one clunker.

If only it was 

 

"All you have to do is ask

I'll do any given task"

 

From a lyrical standpoint would be perfect. 

 

 

 

 

Franks lyric sounds good to me , and his writing over the years ain,t shabby either.

LOL

[Tomangoes]

If he really meant it..and he was a tyke.

I'll even share my favourite cask

DILYIID

Owt fo nowt, al Ave a bucket full.....

[Soulsides]

^^ big lol @Tomangoes post..

 Maybe this would have worked better?

"All you have to do is ask

i'll try to mend your broken flask" 

DILYIID

Edited January 13, 2018 by Soulsides

[maslar]

15 hours ago, soash said:

I'll confess at the start that I haven't read all six pages of this thread, but I gather it starts by talking about a "test pressing" of the Frank Wilson "classic", and ends up discussing the merits of the recording itself. Forgive me if I have missed anything.

Here, FWIIW, is my take on this.

I spent around 30 years (1970 -2000 approx.) dealing in records between the UK and the US. I took UK stuff that was saleable in the States over there, and came back with US stuff that was saleable in the UK. I was in the Music business, so I could get ALOT of stuff in the UK, and I knew all the dealers in New York, Jersey, Philly, Boston, Baltimore, along with Los Angeles/San Francisco a plane ride away.

I bought and sold ALL the different shit that was collectable. You get a feel for it, and the dealers will tell you what they need.

In those pre 911 days, all I needed was a frigging enormous suitcase or two.

So, I will tell you just three things.

1. Don't buy Acetates, Test Pressings or any other "small number" presses. They are very, very likely to be fakes. The means (lathes, presses etc.) to reproduce them is easy to obtain if you know where to look, and frigging cheap to produce compared with the prices you can get for the fakes. This is ESPECIALLY true if the pressing is of an "in demand" or rare record. Much as collectors would like, lightning does not strike regularly in the same place.

2. Buy NOTHING based on handwriting, such as Autographs or writing on Acetates etc. It is the easiest thing in the world to copy. Just as you can look at two items and say "they look the same", so anyone who practises a little bit can copy the writing. Must be one of the biggest scams going in this business.

3. If you get a combination of 1 and 2, run a frigging mile.............

As they say in Latin, Caveat Emptor.......

PS. With regards to the recording itself, Motown staff writer, Frank Wilson, needed a few pressings so that Chris Clarke and anyone else involved would know how to intonate the vocal track. That is common practise in studios. Maybe he needed it quick, so, to push it through the pressing plant at a busy time, they gave it a serial number to put it at the top of the pile.

Fast forward, and in true Wigan fashion, someone on the make "covers up" the record.

Best record ever?

Good dancer, but (IMHO) not even on the front page 

 

Have to disagree. What you're giving  here is a general rule of thumb which is ok. However, what you fail to omit is that  within the record colecting sphere acetates and test pressing can be highly desireable and fetch high prices. That is because these items are legitimate and nearly always have a traceable history attached to them.  It is possible to have this authentification.

As for the FW test pressing:. Again there are too many irrelevant generalisations on this thread. When you get an item such as this (with unique circumstances attached to it) - and  assuming it's genuine   - then all notions of "are test pressings worthy?" or "is the standard issue more valuable?" go right out of the window. It stands on its own as a distinct unique item. There aren't any precedents in cases such as this. In auction it may sell for much more than the standard issue. It may go for similar or indeed significantly less. No one is going to know until the auction finishes (PS, I know it hasn't gone to auction, I'm speaking hypothetically). So it terms of value - it is what it is.  But the most important thing is once authenticated  - there are no precedents to judge it by in a unique case such as this.

[Soulsides]

4 minutes ago, maslar said:

 

As for the FW test pressing:. Again there are too many irrelevant generalisations on this thread. When you get an item such as this (with unique circumstances attached to it) - and  assuming it's genuine   - then all notions of "are test pressings worthy?" or "is the standard issue more valuable?" go right out of the window. It stands on its own as a distinct unique item. There aren't any precedents in cases such as this. 

Totally agree with this.

[Pete S]

16 hours ago, soash said:

I'll confess at the start that I haven't read all six pages of this thread, but I gather it starts by talking about a "test pressing" of the Frank Wilson "classic", and ends up discussing the merits of the recording itself. Forgive me if I have missed anything.

Here, FWIIW, is my take on this.

I spent around 30 years (1970 -2000 approx.) dealing in records between the UK and the US. I took UK stuff that was saleable in the States over there, and came back with US stuff that was saleable in the UK. I was in the Music business, so I could get ALOT of stuff in the UK, and I knew all the dealers in New York, Jersey, Philly, Boston, Baltimore, along with Los Angeles/San Francisco a plane ride away.

I bought and sold ALL the different shit that was collectable. You get a feel for it, and the dealers will tell you what they need.

In those pre 911 days, all I needed was a frigging enormous suitcase or two.

So, I will tell you just three things.

1. Don't buy Acetates, Test Pressings or any other "small number" presses. They are very, very likely to be fakes. The means (lathes, presses etc.) to reproduce them is easy to obtain if you know where to look, and frigging cheap to produce compared with the prices you can get for the fakes. This is ESPECIALLY true if the pressing is of an "in demand" or rare record. Much as collectors would like, lightning does not strike regularly in the same place.

2. Buy NOTHING based on handwriting, such as Autographs or writing on Acetates etc. It is the easiest thing in the world to copy. Just as you can look at two items and say "they look the same", so anyone who practises a little bit can copy the writing. Must be one of the biggest scams going in this business.

3. If you get a combination of 1 and 2, run a frigging mile.............

As they say in Latin, Caveat Emptor.......

PS. With regards to the recording itself, Motown staff writer, Frank Wilson, needed a few pressings so that Chris Clarke and anyone else involved would know how to intonate the vocal track. That is common practise in studios. Maybe he needed it quick, so, to push it through the pressing plant at a busy time, they gave it a serial number to put it at the top of the pile.

Fast forward, and in true Wigan fashion, someone on the make "covers up" the record.

Best record ever?

Good dancer, but (IMHO) not even on the front page 

 

Well that's me f*cked I just bought 10 grands worth of acetates cut at Abbey Road in the 60's, how stupid am I?

[Pete S]

3 hours ago, chalky said:

Don't talk such rubbish

What he means is that it's the same record basically with different lyrics

[Chalky]

8 minutes ago, Pete S said:

What he means is that it's the same record basically with different lyrics

Looked to me like he was saying you don’t know what northern soul is if you think Connie Clark is crap, like I said he’s talking rubbish. 

[Guest soash]

28 minutes ago, maslar said:

However, what you fail to omit is that  within the record colecting sphere acetates and test pressing can be highly desireable and fetch high prices. That is because these items are legitimate and nearly always have a traceable history attached to them.  It is possible to have this authentification.

 

If that is what you believe, that's cool. It's your money

I have seen items such as autographed albums and acetates go through auction houses, with their "experts" verifying the accompanying provenance as proof of their genuineness.

These things go for top pound/dollar, and finish up on walls in glass cases.

And the items, along with the "provenance" were complete fakes.

Works of art in Art Galleries get faked all the time - compared with that, an acetate is SO easy.

The more money something can attract from a collector, the more likely it is to be faked.

It happens, man - that is all I am saying. 

[Pete S]

1 minute ago, chalky said:

Looked to me like he was saying you don’t know what northern soul is if you think Connie Clark is crap, like I said he’s talking rubbish. 

Didn't look like that to me, thats why he quoted Connie Clark, and of course there's a version of the Connie Clark instrumental with Do I Love YOu lyrics

[Soulsides]

4 minutes ago, Pete S said:

Well that's me f*cked I just bought 10 grands worth of acetates cut at Abbey Road in the 60's, how stupid am I?

On a much smaller scale admittedly but I also have some very nice acetates that were given to me by a member of a very successful Electronic music duo and the last time I looked they were trading hands at 5 times the price they were going for 20 years ago.

I'm pretty sure you made a good choice with purchasing those terrific Abbey Road ones there Pete !

[Pete S]

5 minutes ago, Soulsides said:

On a much smaller scale admittedly but I also have some very nice acetates that were given to me by a member of a very successful Electronic music duo and the last time I looked they were trading hands at 5 times the price they were going for 20 years ago.

I'm pretty sure you made a good choice with purchasing those terrific Abbey Road ones there Pete !

I did mate, thanks, and as far as I know nobody's bothered faking acetates by Don Spencer, Freddie & The Dreamers, The Ladybirds, Russ Sainty and the Barron Knights, cos all those were in there...

[Ficklefingers]

33 minutes ago, soash said:

If that is what you believe, that's cool. It's your money

I have seen items such as autographed albums and acetates go through auction houses, with their "experts" verifying the accompanying provenance as proof of their genuineness.

These things go for top pound/dollar, and finish up on walls in glass cases.

And the items, along with the "provenance" were complete fakes.

Works of art in Art Galleries get faked all the time - compared with that, an acetate is SO easy.

The more money something can attract from a collector, the more likely it is to be faked.

It happens, man - that is all I am saying. 

But how could anyone fake that distinct & unique smell of age commensurate with original acetates.. impossible !!

If, as you state, you are aware of such fakes knowingly being marketed and sold as high end authentic items then why not educate us no-nothing ignoramuses with some examples ?? And if you were party to knowing about such fraudulent activity - whether directly involved or not, then surely you should be questioning your own morals and integrity ??

[Guest soash]

53 minutes ago, FickleFingers said:

But how could anyone fake that distinct & unique smell of age commensurate with original acetates.. impossible !!

If, as you state, you are aware of such fakes knowingly being marketed and sold as high end authentic items then why not educate us no-nothing ignoramuses with some examples ?? And if you were party to knowing about such fraudulent activity - whether directly involved or not, then surely you should be questioning your own morals and integrity ??

But how could anyone fake that distinct & unique smell of age commensurate with original acetates.. impossible !!

By using old acetate blanks (or simply storing newer ones with old ones) Simples. And an original Studio Lathe will set me back £1500ish

If, as you state, you are aware of such fakes knowingly being marketed and sold as high end authentic items then why not educate us no-nothing ignoramuses with some examples ??

If someone offers you advice, are they inferring that you are an ignoramus? Your word, my friend - not mine.

And if you were party to knowing about such fraudulent activity - whether directly involved or not, then surely you should be questioning your own morals and integrity ??

If I know this stuff and DON'T warn folks, surely that is more immoral? Plenty of folks write books about crime - should they keep it to themselves?

The phrase "don't shoot the messenger" comes to mind.

I'm only offering advice. Feel free to ignore me. Good luck to all you collectors 

 

 

[Pete S]

Just now, soash said:

But how could anyone fake that distinct & unique smell of age commensurate with original acetates.. impossible !!

By using old acetate blanks (or simply storing newer ones with old ones) Simples. And an original Studio Lathe will set me back £1500ish

If, as you state, you are aware of such fakes knowingly being marketed and sold as high end authentic items then why not educate us no-nothing ignoramuses with some examples ??

If someone offers you advice, are they inferring that you are an ignoramus? Your word, my friend - not mine.

And if you were party to knowing about such fraudulent activity - whether directly involved or not, then surely you should be questioning your own morals and integrity ??

If I know this stuff and DON'T warn folks, surely that is more immoral? Plenty of folks write books about crime - should they keep it to themselves?

The phrase "don't shoot the messenger" comes to mind.

I'm only offering advice. Feel free to ignore me. Good luck to all you collectors 

 

 

Where can one buy a studio lathe?

[Guest soash]

Years ago, they would turn up at auctioneers sales.

Nowadays, Ebay.

Here's one that went on Ebay - originally used by BBC Manchester.

 

 

[Pete S]

1 minute ago, soash said:

Years ago, they would turn up at auctioneers sales.

Nowadays, Ebay.

Here's one that went on Ebay - originally used by BBC Manchester.

 

 

I'd pay good money for one of those but not sure how easy it is to get blanks

[Guest soash]

4 minutes ago, Pete S said:

I'd pay good money for one of those but not sure how easy it is to get blanks

They pop up at Sales - when studios, pressing plants and such close down .

And they (like the Lathes) always get bought.

Which makes you wonder what folks are using them for!!

[Karl s]

Hi pete jah tubbys still cuts dubplates for shaka as he only runs plates and vinyl

think there is a place in france still makes them 12” 10” 7” 

will try to find out

there is also a plate cutter that mounts on to a 1210 , 1200 then a computer for frequency control

[Pete S]

15 minutes ago, Karl s said:

Hi pete jah tubbys still cuts dubplates for shaka as he only runs plates and vinyl

think there is a place in france still makes them 12” 10” 7” 

will try to find out

there is also a plate cutter that mounts on to a 1210 , 1200 then a computer for frequency control

I'd be happy with a vinyl carvers type machine that cuts on to plastic, I could make copies of all my records then sell the originals

[Woodbutcher]

£1500.00 might get you the one above , untested , incomplete and basically a decorative item ... 

For a complete and ready to use working lathe you are looking at £8000.00 and upwards ... !

[Peter99]

16 hours ago, givemesoul said:

Anybody who says this record is crap might as well call Connie Clark my sugar baby crap as well and if you do, you don't obviously know what the term Northern Soul means

That's a silly thing to say, and obviously rubbish.