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Right sit down folks I think I may be able to show you the rarest record in the world...well you know what I mean...we know there are two originals of Frank Wilson - well here is the one original test pressing - 

A side  -  SK4M - 4916 1 A   Nashville Matrix 5   ZQL 163317
B side  -  SK4M - 4915 1 A   Nashville Matrix 5   ZAQQ 147105

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Right sit down folks I think I may be able to show you the rarest record in the world...well you know what I mean...we know there are two originals of Frank Wilson - well here is the one original test

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A lot of the supposition on this topic shows an incomplete or fuzzy understanding of how the manufacturing process at Motown worked. By 1965 Motown manufacturing was a labyrinthine process involv

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As suggested, you are either into or not into DILYIID. For me it's absolutely the greatest NORTHERN soul record out there.  The story and rarity behind it, contribute to the reason why.

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51 minutes ago, Mal C said:

172 views, one reply....  folk ain’t touching this one: :-)

where from Pete, and how come nobody has ever mentioned it before? 

Because nobody had found it before, pretty obvious really

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Are there normally more than one test pressing of any record?

I've only seen one up close and personal, and that was long after tonight is all over which was in the possession of Jim's son in LA.

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1 hour ago, Pete S said:

Because nobody had found it before, pretty obvious really

Not really, Such discussed and debated release I’d imagine some Motown nut might have suggested a test press? Anyhow very exciting, looking forward to finding out more....


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3 hours ago, Winsford Soul said:

Did you find it Pete ? 

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No mate it's not mine I'm just helping get it out there for the owner who is 'under the radar', I'll give full info tomorrow

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6 hours ago, MGM 1251 said:

Good on ya mate...hand writing l@@ks the same as that on Tims copy...and same red pen too...is Robbk around?...:thumbup::thumbup:

Yes, I'm here.  I never saw nor heard of this test pressing.  It was pressed at RCA Indianapolis, and mastered in Nashville.  Looks legit enough, with that 1964-66 Quality Control stamp, and the mid '60s style test pressing record, with depressed centre area.

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4 hours ago, RobbK said:

Yes, I'm here.  I never saw nor heard of this test pressing.  It was pressed at RCA Indianapolis, and mastered in Nashville.  Looks legit enough, with that 1964-66 Quality Control stamp, and the mid '60s style test pressing record, with depressed centre area.

But wasn't the original recored in LA and pressed in Detroit at ARP?  Did the original have a RCA number?

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12 hours ago, MGM 1251 said:

Good on ya mate...hand writing l@@ks the same as that on Tims copy...and same red pen too...is Robbk around?...:thumbup::thumbup:

 

6 hours ago, RobbK said:

Yes, I'm here.  I never saw nor heard of this test pressing.  It was pressed at RCA Indianapolis, and mastered in Nashville.  Looks legit enough, with that 1964-66 Quality Control stamp, and the mid '60s style test pressing record, with depressed centre area.

 

1 hour ago, WoodButcher said:

The Q.C. stamp and the handwriting is a match for those on the Quality Control copy of the demo .

Tim has a DEMO (don't know where other one is) it would be great if he could let us know the "run out"details... :yes:...

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10 minutes ago, MGM 1251 said:

 

Tim has a DEMO (don't know where other one is) it would be great if he could let us know the "run out"details... :yes:...

Would be nice , here's a pic of it's label for the handwriting comparison.

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12 minutes ago, MGM 1251 said:

 

 

Tim has a DEMO (don't know where other one is) it would be great if he could let us know the "run out"details... :yes:...

The other went to someone in Hull didn't it, bought for his wife.  Read they later split?

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8 minutes ago, WoodButcher said:

Especially the date , absolutely the same hand ... :)

Can't make out the word above "pressing" though ... ?  Could it be "american" ... ?

As in "ARP"?   Good shout....if that's what it stands for....

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17 minutes ago, chalky said:

The other went to someone in Hull didn't it, bought for his wife.  Read they later split?

Jeeze...you can keep the kids, car, house and contents....but I'm havin' that record...:lol:...  

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10 hours ago, Pete S said:

No mate it's not mine I'm just helping get it out there for the owner who is 'under the radar', I'll give full info tomorrow

Great find....you have had some amazing stuff pass through your hands Pete (for yourself and others)....is the idea to get it up for sale through mr manship at some point. Thank you.....Rob

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8 hours ago, RobbK said:

Yes, I'm here.  I never saw nor heard of this test pressing.  It was pressed at RCA Indianapolis, and mastered in Nashville.  Looks legit enough, with that 1964-66 Quality Control stamp, and the mid '60s style test pressing record, with depressed centre area.

Thanks for that info Robb

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1 hour ago, WoodButcher said:

Especially the date , absolutely the same hand ... :)

Can't make out the word above "pressing" though ... ?  Could it be "american" ... ?

ARP pressed the demo

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4 minutes ago, chalky said:

ARP press the demo

So I understand , no sign of an 'ARP' stamp in the runout of this one as far as I can see though. 

Anyone got a decent scan of one of the two demos that doesn't obscure the runouts ... ?

Doubtful I know ... :huh: 

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7 minutes ago, WoodButcher said:

So I understand , no sign of an 'ARP' stamp in the runout of this one as far as I can see though. 

Anyone got a decent scan of one of the two demos that doesn't obscure the runouts ... ?

Doubtful I know ... :huh: 

There may be - I'll ask again

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Just now, WoodButcher said:

A quick look at my copy of "Tune Up" (Soul 35012) reveals no sign of an ARP stamp , just the Nashville stamp and numbering as per this test press.

Just confirmed no ARP just Nashville and mastering numbers

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2 minutes ago, MGM 1251 said:

Pete,I see you have put the disc "up for sale"in the sales section of SS....is it gonna be "best offer" ,or through an auction house of some kind......?

No, I've just asked people to contact me privately so that I can give them the details of the seller and they can take it from there

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Motown did use another Midwest plant besides "ARP". These have the "Nashville Matrix" rather than "ARP" as mentioned above. This Test Press looks to be from the other Midwest plant. So I wouldn't expect to see the "ARP" stamp.

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4 minutes ago, 45cellar said:

Motown did use another Midwest plant besides "ARP". These have the "Nashville Matrix" rather than "ARP" as mentioned above. This Test Press looks to be from the other Midwest plant. So I wouldn't expect to see the "ARP" stamp.

Well documented Motown used various plants.  Nashville matrix didn't press discs, they mastered the plates and left their mark.  RCA pressed this one by the looks of it.

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1 hour ago, Pete S said:

No, I've just asked people to contact me privately so that I can give them the details of the seller and they can take it from there

If they are selling you'd think they would want as much publicity as possible?

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Yeh,that's why I asked the question Chalky....like the the chap that had the DB London issue....two weeks of hype,then straight off to that well known record auction site...:thumbsup:...

8 minutes ago, chalky said:

If they are selling you'd think they would want as much publicity as possible?

 

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47 minutes ago, chalky said:

Well documented Motown used various plants.  Nashville matrix didn't press discs, they mastered the plates and left their mark.  RCA pressed this one by the looks of it.

Yes, even though "Nashville Matrix" didn't press discs their mark only tends to appear on records pressed other than "ARP" or Monarch.

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8 minutes ago, 45cellar said:

Yes, even though "Nashville Matrix" didn't press discs their mark only tends to appear on records pressed other than "ARP" or Monarch.

Their account codes run into three figures so that gives us an idea of the amount of companies they mastered for.

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