Dayo Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 About a year ago, you might remember a topic I started on here to try and find a Northern soul record that we all loved - or at least a track that none of us hated. The idea was to try and find a tune that defined the Northern scene. It proved fruitless and tortuous. Salvadors, if I recall, came close to being universally loved - and there were a few others - but we couldn't find a single sound that everyone could get behind. Somebody somewhere always ended up hating something! Even Our Love Is In The Pocket had been worn out or played to death for some of us. I thought I'd take a chance on a similar thread, which I'm hoping will be short lived and much more simple: This time the idea is to find the most widely loved soul singer. Yes, we've all got our faves, but the idea of this is not to debate whether Aretha was better than Gladys - there's plenty of that in other threads. I think this should be much more easy; I'll kick it off. We all love Marvin ... right? You might have other heroes. I'm certain I have. But surely, no-one could actually dislike or hate Marvin Gaye? If you want to put your head above the parapet, admit you loathe the man, that's fine, but maybe you can suggest another singer that every single one of us could claim to adore? It might be another daft idea, but I'm just interested to find commonality between our tastes. I suspect this might turn into another who is/was the greatest thread, but if I'm making myself clear, that's not really the idea. Over to you... Col Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jaco Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I have to absolutely believe that there is not a single person on this planet ( ok, those that have heard it) who does not adore the voice of Gladys Knight. There may be some who would be less complimentary about some of her post Motown product- slushy ballady type things, but in my opinion she could sing the shipping forecast and it would still be soulful! Go ahead and restore my faith in human nature and agree that we all adore her. Agreed that there are probably plenty of others that would qualify including Marvin and yes it seems improbable that anybody could dislike him or his output, but you never know Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
BrianB Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I have to absolutely believe that there is not a single person on this planet ( ok, those that have heard it) who does not adore the voice of Gladys Knight. There may be some who would be less complimentary about some of her post Motown product- slushy ballady type things, but in my opinion she could sing the shipping forecast and it would still be soulful! Go ahead and restore my faith in human nature and agree that we all adore her. Agreed that there are probably plenty of others that would qualify including Marvin and yes it seems improbable that anybody could dislike him or his output, but you never know Never liked Gladys, can't think of one track that I would play. Marvin was ace. For me its Levi Stubbs. ATB Brian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest the dukester Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 DAVID RUFFIN CAN DO KNOW WRONG FOR ME. DARRELL BANKS ALSO NO DOUBT THERE WILL BE MORE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Epic Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Donny Hathaway Leroy Hutson J R Bailey Jackie Wilson David Ruffin agree with Levi Stubbs. Dozens more - can't just pick one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 About a year ago, you might remember a topic I started on here to try and find a Northern soul record that we all loved - or at least a track that none of us hated. The idea was to try and find a tune that defined the Northern scene. It proved fruitless and tortuous. Salvadors, if I recall, came close to being universally loved - and there were a few others - but we couldn't find a single sound that everyone could get behind. Somebody somewhere always ended up hating something! Even Our Love Is In The Pocket had been worn out or played to death for some of us. I thought I'd take a chance on a similar thread, which I'm hoping will be short lived and much more simple: This time the idea is to find the most widely loved soul singer. Yes, we've all got our faves, but the idea of this is not to debate whether Aretha was better than Gladys - there's plenty of that in other threads. I think this should be much more easy; I'll kick it off. We all love Marvin ... right? You might have other heroes. I'm certain I have. But surely, no-one could actually dislike or hate Marvin Gaye? If you want to put your head above the parapet, admit you loathe the man, that's fine, but maybe you can suggest another singer that every single one of us could claim to adore? It might be another daft idea, but I'm just interested to find commonality between our tastes. I suspect this might turn into another who is/was the greatest thread, but if I'm making myself clear, that's not really the idea. Over to you... Col Marvin Gaye - an excellent artist who would never EVER make my Top 10 artists in a million years... Marvin Junior - an incredible vocalist who, with the Dells, would never NOT make my Top 10 artists in those same million years... ....but I think I might have to go with Levi and the other three Tops, too... TONE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jaco Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Never liked Gladys, can't think of one track that I would play. Marvin was ace. For me its Levi Stubbs. ATB Brian Not even "Walk in my shoes"? Love Levi Stubbs though. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Eddie Hubbard Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Bobby Womack ? Not all his records are brilliant , but the great one's are worth waiting for [ IMHO of course !! ] Best ,Eddie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Simon Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I'll plump for Al Green, not just admired on the Soul scene but universally & if not Al i'll stump for Otis Redding. Simon Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Nottslynne Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 About a year ago, you might remember a topic I started on here to try and find a Northern soul record that we all loved - or at least a track that none of us hated. The idea was to try and find a tune that defined the Northern scene. It proved fruitless and tortuous. Salvadors, if I recall, came close to being universally loved - and there were a few others - but we couldn't find a single sound that everyone could get behind. Somebody somewhere always ended up hating something! Even Our Love Is In The Pocket had been worn out or played to death for some of us. I thought I'd take a chance on a similar thread, which I'm hoping will be short lived and much more simple: This time the idea is to find the most widely loved soul singer. Yes, we've all got our faves, but the idea of this is not to debate whether Aretha was better than Gladys - there's plenty of that in other threads. I think this should be much more easy; I'll kick it off. We all love Marvin ... right? You might have other heroes. I'm certain I have. But surely, no-one could actually dislike or hate Marvin Gaye? If you want to put your head above the parapet, admit you loathe the man, that's fine, but maybe you can suggest another singer that every single one of us could claim to adore? It might be another daft idea, but I'm just interested to find commonality between our tastes. I suspect this might turn into another who is/was the greatest thread, but if I'm making myself clear, that's not really the idea. Over to you... Col Marvin Gaye Al Green Levi Stubbs David Ruffin Harold Melvin Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest MBarrett Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 It's Otis (Redding) for me. Did he ever sing one bad note? In my mind the closest a human voice ever came to being a musical instrument. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rich Buckley Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 No, no, no, you're all wrong it has to be Curtis Mayfield Rich Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 (edited) It's Otis (Redding) for me. Did he ever sing one bad note? In my mind the closest a human voice ever came to being a musical instrument. Hello MBarrett welcome to soul source we usually ask new members to introduce themselves via the intros section. i have added a link below for you. just add the usual stuff like where you are from, fave tunes/venues etc. thanks Shane https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.php?showforum=44 Edited November 21, 2006 by ShaneH Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest in town Mikey Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 About a year ago, you might remember a topic I started on here to try and find a Northern soul record that we all loved - or at least a track that none of us hated. The idea was to try and find a tune that defined the Northern scene. It proved fruitless and tortuous. Salvadors, if I recall, came close to being universally loved - and there were a few others - but we couldn't find a single sound that everyone could get behind. Somebody somewhere always ended up hating something! Even Our Love Is In The Pocket had been worn out or played to death for some of us. I thought I'd take a chance on a similar thread, which I'm hoping will be short lived and much more simple: This time the idea is to find the most widely loved soul singer. Yes, we've all got our faves, but the idea of this is not to debate whether Aretha was better than Gladys - there's plenty of that in other threads. I think this should be much more easy; I'll kick it off. We all love Marvin ... right? You might have other heroes. I'm certain I have. But surely, no-one could actually dislike or hate Marvin Gaye? If you want to put your head above the parapet, admit you loathe the man, that's fine, but maybe you can suggest another singer that every single one of us could claim to adore? It might be another daft idea, but I'm just interested to find commonality between our tastes. I suspect this might turn into another who is/was the greatest thread, but if I'm making myself clear, that's not really the idea. Over to you... Col Great topic Col. Have to agree with Marvin. Add Sam Cooke to the list. I love some of Jackie Wilson's stuff, but some of the songs he recorded were just downright awful. Made for the 'white' market, thay had him doing some cringeworthily embarrassing pap. Sorry Trickster Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Winnie :-) Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 About a year ago, you might remember a topic I started on here to try and find a Northern soul record that we all loved - or at least a track that none of us hated. The idea was to try and find a tune that defined the Northern scene. It proved fruitless and tortuous. Salvadors, if I recall, came close to being universally loved - and there were a few others - but we couldn't find a single sound that everyone could get behind. Somebody somewhere always ended up hating something! Even Our Love Is In The Pocket had been worn out or played to death for some of us. I thought I'd take a chance on a similar thread, which I'm hoping will be short lived and much more simple: This time the idea is to find the most widely loved soul singer. Yes, we've all got our faves, but the idea of this is not to debate whether Aretha was better than Gladys - there's plenty of that in other threads. I think this should be much more easy; I'll kick it off. We all love Marvin ... right? You might have other heroes. I'm certain I have. But surely, no-one could actually dislike or hate Marvin Gaye? If you want to put your head above the parapet, admit you loathe the man, that's fine, but maybe you can suggest another singer that every single one of us could claim to adore? It might be another daft idea, but I'm just interested to find commonality between our tastes. I suspect this might turn into another who is/was the greatest thread, but if I'm making myself clear, that's not really the idea. Over to you... Col ========== Yep love Marvin, another everybody surely loves is Edwin Starr? Haven't gone through the thread yet, so his name has probably already appeared Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Winnie :-) Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I have to absolutely believe that there is not a single person on this planet ( ok, those that have heard it) who does not adore the voice of Gladys Knight. There may be some who would be less complimentary about some of her post Motown product- slushy ballady type things, but in my opinion she could sing the shipping forecast and it would still be soulful! Go ahead and restore my faith in human nature and agree that we all adore her. Agreed that there are probably plenty of others that would qualify including Marvin and yes it seems improbable that anybody could dislike him or his output, but you never know =========== Having gone through the thread now, have to agree with Gladys, Levi and Jackie Wilson. We dont have to love everything they've produced right? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Gene Chandler must be up there. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Lady Maverick Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I agree with all...gotta add Richard Street also with his leads in Otis Williams and the Distants (COME ON), the Monitors (GREETINGS, THIS IS UNCLE SAM) and later the Temptations (HEAVENLY)! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest johnm Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Chuck Jackson............ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Supercorsa Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 ========== Yep love Marvin, another everybody surely loves is Edwin Starr? Haven't gone through the thread yet, so his name has probably already appeared You beat me to it Winnie, I would have said Edwin Starr as well. Although the lead singer of The 4 Vandals would be a close second. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Goldwax Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I can't disagree with Marvin being up there but for me personally it has to be James Carr. Even singing Row Row Row Your Boat ! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Winnie :-) Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Although the lead singer of The 4 Vandals would be a close second. =========== I'm sure Mr Brookstein will prove a popular choice Really like Maxwell as well Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest in town Mikey Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Roy Hamilton Valerie Lamar Eddie Reader* Jullianne Reagan* *Sorry just love their voices to death. Not soul singers Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest 45s and 33s Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I'd add Joe Simon to the list. Great voice. Ali Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Lady Maverick Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Clyde McPhatter also! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 About a year ago, you might remember a topic I started on here to try and find a Northern soul record that we all loved - or at least a track that none of us hated. The idea was to try and find a tune that defined the Northern scene. It proved fruitless and tortuous. Salvadors, if I recall, came close to being universally loved - and there were a few others - but we couldn't find a single sound that everyone could get behind. Somebody somewhere always ended up hating something! Even Our Love Is In The Pocket had been worn out or played to death for some of us. I thought I'd take a chance on a similar thread, which I'm hoping will be short lived and much more simple: This time the idea is to find the most widely loved soul singer. Yes, we've all got our faves, but the idea of this is not to debate whether Aretha was better than Gladys - there's plenty of that in other threads. I think this should be much more easy; I'll kick it off. We all love Marvin ... right? You might have other heroes. I'm certain I have. But surely, no-one could actually dislike or hate Marvin Gaye? If you want to put your head above the parapet, admit you loathe the man, that's fine, but maybe you can suggest another singer that every single one of us could claim to adore? It might be another daft idea, but I'm just interested to find commonality between our tastes. I suspect this might turn into another who is/was the greatest thread, but if I'm making myself clear, that's not really the idea. Over to you... Col I think, that If it was still possible, and it obviously isn't. Any venue with David Ruffin or Jackie Wilson on the bill, would be sold out in the blink of an eye. Sadlly this can't happen, but fortunately they have left us with some awesome Video and Audio performances. My Vote would ultimately have to go to these two gentleman, masters of their craft. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Lady Maverick Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Any venue with David Ruffin or Jackie Wilson on the bill, would be sold out in the blink of an eye. Sadlly this can't happen, but fortunately they have left us with some awesome Video and Audio performances. If you have the Temptations' DVD of their performances, you simply have to check out the I KNOW I AM LOSING YOU clip...I jumped out of my seat when I saw David do his split! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Pete Griffin Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Ray Pollard Tony Middleton Jonhny Nash Baby Washington Timi yuro Roy Hamilton And thats just some of them Civic Soul Club 25th November more info www.civicsoulclub.moonfruit.com Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I think this should be much more easy; I'll kick it off. We all love Marvin ... right? You might have other heroes. I'm certain I have. But surely, no-one could actually dislike or hate Marvin Gaye? If you want to put your head above the parapet, admit you loathe the man, that's fine, but maybe you can suggest another singer that every single one of us could claim to adore? Over to you... Col Alright, head above the parphet, I'm not that keen on Marvin. How about Sam Dees? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russoul1 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 patti austin imho and edwin starr already mentioned russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tabs Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Not as easy as it sounds but Male = Jackie Wilson Female = Barbara Lynn Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 (edited) Roy Hamilton Valerie Lamar Eddie Reader* Jullianne Reagan* *Sorry just love their voices to death. Not soul singers ...Think that anyone whose voice touches a person's soul is a soul singer, Mikey. Skin tone and musical category shouldn't come into it. And Eddie Reader is indeed a fantastic soul singer and would be whether she was white, black or green with purple stripes... TONE Edited November 21, 2006 by TONY ROUNCE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Perhaps a little before the Soul music thing started but one of the greatest voices ever of all time has to be Little Willie John, note perfect. Linda Jones, Bettye Lavette, Chuck Jackson without question, oh and Maxine Brown pure perfection and my all time favorite the late great Les Grey of Mud....dynamite!!!! lol sorry. Regards - Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest mr todsoulfox Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 agree Barbara Lynn for femme J.J. Barnes amongst many perhaps Darrow Fletcher as another Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Sam Cooke & Chuck Jackson .. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 agree Barbara Lynn for femme J.J. Barnes amongst many perhaps Darrow Fletcher as another Good call with J.J. Barnes and Darrow Fletcher..........Steve Mancha could cut a tune in his day too. Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest mr todsoulfox Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Good call with J.J. Barnes and Darrow Fletcher..........Steve Mancha could cut a tune in his day too. Mark Bicknell. You read my mind Steve was next Jack Mongomery Jackey Beavers Jimmy soul Clark & Tony Clarke Detroit Had a Sound in the Sixties Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Johnnie Taylor THE Voice of Soul Sean Hampsey Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dayo Posted November 22, 2006 Author Share Posted November 22, 2006 Thanks getting into the spirit of this. Ok, everyone loves Edwin then? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest in town Mikey Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Thanks getting into the spirit of this. Ok, everyone loves Edwin then? Yep Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 OV Wright, Johnnie Taylor, Spencer Wiggins, Marvin Junior, Bobby Womack. And Bobby Bland. How could I leave him out? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Billy Freemantle Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Hoagy Lands Bobby Bland O.V. Wright James Carr Geater Davis Rosco Robinson Jackie Wilson Clyde McPhatter Garnett Mimms Marvin Gaye doesn't come near any of them as a vocalist. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Hoagy Lands Bobby Bland O.V. Wright James Carr Geater Davis Rosco Robinson Jackie Wilson Clyde McPhatter Garnett Mimms Marvin Gaye doesn't come near any of them as a vocalist. ...amen to THAT, brother! TONE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Winnie :-) Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Another name to throw into the ring ........ Spyder Turner Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Don't agree with the school of thought that has Marvin Gaye inferior to many of those mentioned. He was a phenomenal singer, blessed with awesome range, technique and not a little power too. No-one could probably touch him in technical terms. He may have a somewhat patchy and mercurial recorded legacy, but to say that he didn't come near any of thse admittedly great singers does him a cruel disservice. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete Eccles Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 all the great artists mentioned and no LUTHER VANDROSS? What a voice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pete Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Addio Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Most of the major contenders already listed, but a few more to throw into the pot: Aretha Franklin Betty Everett Dee Dee Sharp Tammi Terrell Brenda Holloway Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kerry F Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Deon Jackson , Terry Callier , and Patti Austin for me , Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Billy Freemantle Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 (edited) Don't agree with the school of thought that has Marvin Gaye inferior to many of those mentioned. He was a phenomenal singer, blessed with awesome range, technique and not a little power too. No-one could probably touch him in technical terms. You are probably more familar with a greater body of Marvin's work than I am, Gareth. And I'd appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction regarding where we can find examples of Marvin's 'awsome range'. Basically wasn't his range 'high tenor'. ? And wasn't it a rather thin and pinched kind of high tenor voice at that, lacking in resonance and most certainly in warmth? To me, the voice has nothing of the warmth of ,say, J.J. Barnes' another high tenor. The power and the technique just don't seem to be there either ( unless of course you have in mind performances that I am not aware of). And very importantly, Marvin's voice falls short on emotion too. So often he just doesn't seem to be that interested in what he is singing. Do you really prefer Marvin's original of Lonely Lover to Jimmy McFarland's? Isn't Jimmy's take the more convincing? And at the end of the day was Marvin really any better than so many journeymen who are mere footnotes to the story of Soul?Jimmy_McFarland___Lonley_Lover.mp3Marvin_Gaye___Lonely_Lover.mp3 Edited November 22, 2006 by Billy Freemantle Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest johnm Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Do you really prefer Marvin's original of Lonely Lover to Jimmy McFarland's? Isn't Jimmy's take the more convincing? And at the end of the day was Marvin really any better than so many journeymen who are mere footnotes to the story of Soul? I prefer Marvin's version.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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