Debonaires--- Headache in my Heart

[Patto]

Hi Guys

This is one that i remember getting lots of plays mainly round the North west venues in the 90s.Loved it so much i landed a Solid Hit copy around the same time.Asked several of the old guard if they ever heard it in the 70s venues and non could remember it.Seeing that it also came out on UK Track i thought it would have had some casino or cleggy actio.Can anyone recall it from the old days when where and who played it.My copy plays a bit low fi but is ok with the gain notched up.Are the Track copies the same.

 

[Harry Crosby]

One of my faves also. SH102 With loving you takes all of my time & SH104 with i`m in love again, as above.

 

Edited July 6, 2017 by HARRY CROSBY

[T Dellar]

A very popular play for me during those heady hey day`s of the 70`s at the Howard Mallett Soul Club here in Cambridge as well St Ives / Peterborough Wirrina etc.

Never been truely appreciated in that many parts of the country which is somewhat surprising.

Nevertheless still sounds great even today.

Tony Dellar

 

 

[Patto]

Just now, T Dellar said:

A very popular play for me during those heady hey day`s of the 70`s at the Howard Mallett Soul Club here in Cambridge as well St Ives / Peterborough Wirrina etc.

Never been truely appreciated in that many parts of the country which is somewhat surprising.

Nevertheless still sounds great even today.

Tony Dellar

 

 

Thanks for posting Tony.So it did get 70s turntable action at some of the legendary vnues.its amazing the great tunes i have heard were big at the venues you mentioned that never crossed over to the Casino.

[Kegsy]

It would not surprise me if this was played at the Wheel. It was definitely played at the L'Ambassador in bradford not long after the wheel closed. It was also on Backtrack 6 a compilation of revilot rictic drew and solid hit stuff, the connection being solid hitbound. Given Track were mainly prog. rock label it was a bit of a strange one with the Detroit stuff, although Polydor its parent label had the rights at the time.

[Guest Spain pete]

Still got my backtrack comp. strange one at the time because it had picture of a baby smoking a spliff,    headache great old track 👍🎶🎶🎶

[Jez Jones]

1 hour ago, Kegsy said:

It would not surprise me if this was played at the Wheel. It was definitely played at the L'Ambassador in bradford not long after the wheel closed. It was also on Backtrack 6 a compilation of revilot rictic drew and solid hit stuff, the connection being solid hitbound. Given Track were mainly prog. rock label it was a bit of a strange one with the Detroit stuff, although Polydor its parent label had the rights at the time.

Now that was an LP that was well sought after...A woolworths buy if I'm not mistaken. Listening to it at the time it was quite 'upfront' lol 

[Patto]

Thanks Guys.Think its ready for placing to the front of my playbox.What do you think its worth in todays market place.

[Jez Jones]

Dunno 70 quid ?....anyone ?

[Patto]

Got to be more than that Jez even the Track issue .The you tube track from Manship had it listed for 200 and he looks like he sold it.I Know thats very top end but the Solid Hit is a hard one to find nowadays and a great tune much better than a lot of stuff played out

[Soul-slider]

2 hours ago, HARRY CROSBY said:

One of my faves also. Wasn`t this also on the flip of Loving you takes all of my time SH102? Which also had Warning on the flip. 

 

Wasn't that SH105? a bootleg with the Pat Lewis - Warning flip?

[Harry Crosby]

34 minutes ago, Soul-Slider said:

Wasn't that SH105? a bootleg with the Pat Lewis - Warning flip?

Oops yes mate, your right of course, but there was two solid hit label releases, one with the red bubbles as patto has posted with i`m in love again, and one as the picture i posted with loving you takes all of my time, backed with headache in my heart. SH102 & SH104  Loving you takes all of my time was SH102.  

[Jez Jones]

11 hours ago, Patto said:

Got to be more than that Jez even the Track issue .The you tube track from Manship had it listed for 200 and he looks like he sold it.I Know thats very top end but the Solid Hit is a hard one to find nowadays and a great tune much better than a lot of stuff played out

You could well be right Patto.....it was more a stab in the dark my 70 quid figure, purely coz I aint seen it listed many times. Must say great tune though AND well worthy of spins out and about

[T Dellar]

I have seen the Track issue listed @ £120 plus recently and rightly so. Interestingly It came out twice of course on Solid Hit.  Numbers 102 (the rarer one) and 104.

As you`ve rightly mentioned either on import or British never an easy one to snare. After all, compared with some of the stuff that get`s played out a worthy contender for the rejuvination box me thinks !! 

[Winsford Soul]

Personally I would have placed a  £60 / £ 70 sort of price on it. As you say massive in the North West of England in the 90,s. Copies seemed to be everywhere hence my price quote. But hey what do I know. Especially the crazy prices these days. 

Steve 

[Patto]

1 hour ago, Winsford Soul said:

Personally I would have placed a  £60 / £ 70 sort of price on it. As you say massive in the North West of England in the 90,s. Copies seemed to be everywhere hence my price quote. But hey what do I know. Especially the crazy prices these days. 

Steve 

Personally Steve ive not seen that many Solid Hit ones.Loads of copies around in the 90s lost count of the times ive heard that said about records that are now 150 quid plus. .

[maslar]

On 06/07/2017 at 18:12, Kegsy said:

It would not surprise me if this was played at the Wheel. It was definitely played at the L'Ambassador in bradford not long after the wheel closed. It was also on Backtrack 6 a compilation of revilot rictic drew and solid hit stuff, the connection being solid hitbound. Given Track were mainly prog. rock label it was a bit of a strange one with the Detroit stuff, although Polydor its parent label had the rights at the time.

Polydor wasn't Track's parent company. Track was a truly independant label. It had a distribution deal with Polydor which obviously suited Polydor because at that time they were an unfashionable label. The only reason the first Track release Hey Joe, Hendrix, was released on Polydor was that  they were still in the process of setting the label up when it was recorded and they didn't want to wait around.  I'm guessing that part of the deal was that foreign (mainly European) releases would be on the Polydor label, thus increasing it's pop/rock credibility. 

Also the ethos behind the label was to incorporate different genres so soul music was always on the books. In fact there were big plans afoot to release the whole Revilot catalogue which didn't really come  to fruituion.

Edited July 8, 2017 by maslar
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[Kegsy]

Ok "parent label" may have been stretching a point, but I don't think Track had the original rights to Ric Tic, Revilot, Calla etc given Edwin Starr, J. J. Barnes, Sandpebbles all had single releases on Polydor along with the Golden World recording of the Holidays Makin' Up Time so there must have been some sort of licensing deal too between Polydor and Track for the Detroit stuff.

Edited July 8, 2017 by Kegsy

[maslar]

1 hour ago, Kegsy said:

Ok "parent label" may have been stretching a point, but I don't think Track had the original rights to Ric Tic, Revilot, Calla etc given Edwin Starr, J. J. Barnes, Sandpebbles all had single releases on Polydor along with the Golden World recording of the Holidays Makin' Up Time so there must have been some sort of licensing deal too between Polydor and Track for the Detroit stuff.

Polydor was a label in its own right (obviously) and had its own deals eg the Golden World stuff. But Stamp and Lambert  were doing their own thing with Track. So yes both released Detroit material but the Track releases were nothing to do with Polydor.  I think Stamp and Lambert had big plans with regard to a Solid Hitbound connection speciifically but it fizzled out and they ended up with a smaller piecemeal approach of a few indivual releases from various labels. 

 

[Kegsy]

13 hours ago, maslar said:

Polydor was a label in its own right (obviously) and had its own deals eg the Golden World stuff. But Stamp and Lambert  were doing their own thing with Track. So yes both released Detroit material but the Track releases were nothing to do with Polydor.  I think Stamp and Lambert had big plans with regard to a Solid Hitbound connection speciifically but it fizzled out and they ended up with a smaller piecemeal approach of a few indivual releases from various labels. 

 

After some sleuthing on the net I may have an answer to the Detroit stuff on Track, why/how. The case may not be totally sol-ved as Clouseau would say but here are some clues.

In 67/68 Lambert & Stamp were in New York and started doing some work with Patti Labelle's group, which we all know had several different names over the years Blue-bells, Labelle etc. Nona Hendryx, a group member, was Jimi Hendrix's cousin so maybe that's how they hooked up. The group were experimenting with funk/rock at the time, and while in New York Lambert/Stamp were also doing some work with The Parliaments. In the early sixties George Clinton worked in a hair salon in New Jersey called the Silk Palace and had Patti Labelle and Nona Hendryx as customers, so they must have been friends for years. Thereby giving us the Solid Hitbound connection.

Edit.

More sleuthing reveals that The Debonaires first Golden World single was arranged by Sammy Lowe (A Wingate Prod.), who is named on all the Sandpebbles Calla releases along with Teddy Vann, so there's the connection for the Sandpebbles Track release.

Edited July 9, 2017 by Kegsy