Is This The Rarest Bootleg Pressing?

[Pete S]

I've been collecting and buying Northern now since 1973/74 and must have had at least 100,000 records pass through my hands but I've never seen this before, or even seen a picture of it.  The fact that it's terrible doesn't come into it.  I think this is an early Simon job circa 74 which possibly never got released or circulated.  It's actually BOBBY VEE from an LP and the B side is a shocking instrumental version.

Anyone know anything about this one, seen it before?  Not mentioned in any guide...

 

[Kegsy]

It's even rarer with the "Mike Terry credit", Hester - Wyl(l)ie my arse. 

[Dean]

One here Pete, unless it's the same, https://www.45cat.com/record/br702 

You have more experience and history than me but don't ever recall seeing this.

[Chalky]

It has been mentioned in the past either on here or on the old rare soul talk forum.

[Pete S]

5 hours ago, Kegsy said:

It's even rarer with the "Mike Terry credit", Hester - Wyl(l)ie my arse. 

Their otherDetroit Shakers bootleg Help me Find My Way also credited P-Pcorn Wylie (not Popcorn)

[Bazm]

As soon as I saw this it raised the question in my mind of Sandy Golden and Soussan., just look a that label font

 

[Pete S]

On 06/07/2017 at 17:14, BazM said:

As soon as I saw this it raised the question in my mind of Sandy Golden and Soussan., just look a that label font

 

Yep he sure loved that font!

[lincsmod1970]

Let's have a laugh Pete....

Got a sound clip of the sides? 

;-) 

[Pete S]

It is on youtube but I can't find it!

[Goldsoul]

6 hours ago, Pete S said:

Yep he sure loved that font!

Pete- The plant would have had a type set go to person, who would have designed similar labels like the Sandy Golden and 70's pressings like the Bobby Vee thingy. 

I doubt Simon was involved in the Sandy G. Not his style at all. 

Edited July 11, 2017 by Goldsoul

[Pete S]

7 minutes ago, Goldsoul said:

Pete- The plant would have had a type set go to person, who would have designed similar labels like the Sandy Golden and 70's pressings like the Bobby Vee thingy. 

I doubt Simon was involved in the Sandy G. Not his style at all. 

I beg to differ Kev, he had the master tapes to The Sweets and the Sandy Golden shares the same backing track as The Sweets - I think it's from maybe 73/74 and has someone playing synth on it to tart it up a bit...you have to listen closely.  And that font was his signature - Sandra Phillips, lee Andrews, Magnificents, countless pressings

[Chalky]

Weve been here before with SG, I doubt very much Simon would have gone to the expense to pay for mastering at Artisan, one of the leading west coast mastering companies.. and synthesisers were also around at that time, they were around in the 60s.  

The font would probably have been a popular font at the time 

[Chalky]

who booted the Detroit Shakers? Do you know it was certain.  It says on line Nottingham bootleggers?

[Wiggyflat]

26 minutes ago, Pete S said:

I beg to differ Kev, he had the master tapes to The Sweets and the Sandy Golden shares the same backing track as The Sweets - I think it's from maybe 73/74 and has someone playing synth on it to tart it up a bit...you have to listen closely.  And that font was his signature - Sandra Phillips, lee Andrews, Magnificents, countless pressings

I have an article on Simon Soussan where he is discussing how he is playing synth himself.

[Chalky]

Nate Fortier simply took the track with him from Soultown IMO, recut it on his own Masterpiece label, at a guess SG is his missus who shares credits. 

Edited July 11, 2017 by chalky

[Chalky]

6 minutes ago, wiggyflat said:

I have an article on Simon Soussan where he is discussing how he is playing synth himself.

But as said they were not a new phenomenon in the 70s and were in use in recording studios in the 60s. 

[Pete S]

1 minute ago, chalky said:

But as said they were not a new phenomenon in the 70s and were in use in recording studios in the 60s. 

I'm sticking with my conspiracy theory and I will be proved right when hundreds of copies hit the streets one day in the future!

[Pete S]

Also SS had access to the master tapes because he put out a previously unissued version of Satisfy Me Baby.

[Goldsoul]

44 minutes ago, Pete S said:

I beg to differ Kev, he had the master tapes to The Sweets and the Sandy Golden shares the same backing track as The Sweets - I think it's from maybe 73/74 and has someone playing synth on it to tart it up a bit...you have to listen closely.  And that font was his signature - Sandra Phillips, lee Andrews, Magnificents, countless pressings

He did not have the master tapes to the Sweets. Bobby Sanders was a personal friend of mine. Simon genuinely licensed the Sweets from him. Bob would not have given him the tapes to runaway with. 

I cant see how SS would have been involved and never sold any!!

it was more likely that Soultown were involved somehow.  

[Rob Wigley]

Soul Town !

John Hillyard once said to me "You British collectors send me your want lists and the first record at the top of the list is always a Bootleg"

Ray Agee "I'm losing again" Soul Town !

Makes you wonder !

Rob

[Pete S]

14 hours ago, Goldsoul said:

He did not have the master tapes to the Sweets. Bobby Sanders was a personal friend of mine. Simon genuinely licensed the Sweets from him. Bob would not have given him the tapes to runaway with. 

I cant see how SS would have been involved and never sold any!!

it was more likely that Soultown were involved somehow.  

he must have let him near the tapes at some point how would he have got the instrumental otherwise?  Unless he asked for the backing tracks as well..

[Goldsoul]

Pete- I spoke to him at length, but it's merely a case of Simon doing things properly with Soultown. Bobby oversaw the limited runs, but as he said....Soussan paid me so there's nothing to be suspicious about. 

Knowing SS as I did back then and in touch with him even today, he's not behind Sandy Golden. If he were, you would have seen far more on the street. Simon's flair was to create, not hide em in a cupboard for decades. 

If I am wrong, I will personally eat a Soul Fox single whole 😂

[Pete S]

33 minutes ago, Goldsoul said:

Pete- I spoke to him at length, but it's merely a case of Simon doing things properly with Soultown. Bobby oversaw the limited runs, but as he said....Soussan paid me so there's nothing to be suspicious about. 

Knowing SS as I did back then and in touch with him even today, he's not behind Sandy Golden. If he were, you would have seen far more on the street. Simon's flair was to create, not hide em in a cupboard for decades. 

If I am wrong, I will personally eat a Soul Fox single whole 😂

I'll supply tomato sauce

 

[Eddie Hubbard]

33 minutes ago, Goldsoul said:

Pete- I spoke to him at length, but it's merely a case of Simon doing things properly with Soultown. Bobby oversaw the limited runs, but as he said....Soussan paid me so there's nothing to be suspicious about. 

How about The Trips - There's that mountain / Love can't be modernised on Soultown ? The copy I have even has the same pressing plant stamp as John and The Weirdest on Tie .Would this have been a legal re press via Bobby Sanders ? There is so much info on the label ,unlike most bootlegs of the time . I read somewhere that copies of The Sweets with the instrumental flip turned up in the UK in the same box as the copies with " Something about my baby " on .Think it was a Blue Max's shop that was mentioned .

[Rich B]

34 minutes ago, Eddie Hubbard said:

How about The Trips - There's that mountain / Love can't be modernised on Soultown ? The copy I have even has the same pressing plant stamp as John and The Weirdest on Tie .Would this have been a legal re press via Bobby Sanders ? There is so much info on the label ,unlike most bootlegs of the time . I read somewhere that copies of The Sweets with the instrumental flip turned up in the UK in the same box as the copies with " Something about my baby " on .Think it was a Blue Max's shop that was mentioned .

I went to Selectadisc to buy one (a  Sweets boot, but I was young at the time...) what they gave me was a ' real' one - and it came at random out of the pile they had for sale, so clearly they were not discriminating that much at point of sale back then.

[Goldsoul]

3 hours ago, Eddie Hubbard said:

How about The Trips - There's that mountain / Love can't be modernised on Soultown ? The copy I have even has the same pressing plant stamp as John and The Weirdest on Tie .Would this have been a legal re press via Bobby Sanders ? There is so much info on the label ,unlike most bootlegs of the time . I read somewhere that copies of The Sweets with the instrumental flip turned up in the UK in the same box as the copies with " Something about my baby " on .Think it was a Blue Max's shop that was mentioned .

Cannot answer that one. My only lengthy conversation with Bobby was over his life, certain singles of which the Trips I had completely forgot about 

[Goldsoul]

2 hours ago, Rich B said:

I went to Selectadisc to buy one (a  Sweets boot, but I was young at the time...) what they gave me was a ' real' one - and it came at random out of the pile they had for sale, so clearly they were not discriminating that much at point of sale back then.

Selectadisc had a simple policy of buying street level music genres without giving the supply too much thought. 

From the early suppliers like Bill Buster(Eric) to Soul Galore they simply wanted sellers. 

Frequent callers often found originals and thought 'Wow, where did they get those from'

1972 saw hundreds of Valentinos- Sweeter, Rose Batiste- Holding Hands and Stanky Get Funky.  

They became famous as one stop for Northern without really knowing why. Fans simply made them into a superstar  vinyl outlet 😀 

[Mick Sway]

On 11/07/2017 at 18:20, Pete S said:

It is on youtube but I can't find it!

Sorry if someone else already posted, but is this it :

(it's in stereo too)

 

Edited July 20, 2017 by Mick Sway