So pleased I held on to my original copy of this

[Northern Soul Uk]

So pleased I held on to my original copy of Robert Thomas - Salvation, that I bought for a fiver about 3 years ago.
Look at the prices now on Discogs.
https://www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=904811&ev=mb

Just said to the wife, it's not worth these prices, and she rightly said, "it must be if people are paying that for it"
Fair comment!
 

[Woodbutcher]

Big difference between what someone wants for it and what someone will pay for it ... 

https://gripsweat.com/search/?query=robert thomas salvation&page=1&sort_by=price

[Benji]

Last copy on Discogs went for 375 quid in M- condition.

[Woodbutcher]

Guess someone never bothered researching it then , which is why the sharks have bumped the wanted price , the endless circle of greed and stupidity ... 

[Northern Soul Uk]

Madness!

[Patto]

Bought my original more than 20 years ago and in the same sales box there was a copy of the boot for the same price.One has cropped up on Tim Browns Auction be interesting to see what that makes.

[Chalky]

Taffy had something like 700 copies a few years ago.  Some desperate people out there.

[jimmy clitheroe]

The price will settle down again once the Novelty has worn off just like Bettye Swann - Ace Spectrum etc

[Sammy Seaman]

I must have had at least 5 or 6 copies of it over the last 3or 4 years sold them all for between £50 to £75 last one last year (£75)there must be 100s even 1000s out there

so how does it become a £300+ record !!!!!!!!!!

[Ian Stacey]

I got mine from big al from Bromsgrove at rugby,  about ten years back they where a fiver so he bought me one as well. The lad had half a dozen of them .It was always just bubbling under the radar played a lot at Nuneaton has become a peeps favourite tune . Never thought it would go up much in price but 300 quid im shocked that its gone to such dizzying heights .

[Jim G]

Tim Brown got one up for auction with starting bid £200. he told me (via email) that demand is crazy for it right now.

I sold two copies (M-) for £30 two years ago having paid £20 for them on Ebay.

https://www.raresoulvinyl.co.uk/auctions/#1019

Edited May 9, 2017 by jim g

[Peter99]

Good enough dancer I guess but I don't like it.

[Guest outoftheboxagain]

Bought my copy about '81/82 for £2 less 10% discount. Still in the sleeve I bought it in. Used to play it around Urmston/Stretford then. Didn't get a lot of response at the time so stopped playing it but still kept it.

[Jim G]

Another one £225 starting bid

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Robert-Thomas-Salvation-Northern-Soul-/322505090628?hash=item4b16cd2644:g:xsEAAOSwrhBZC3dW

[Guest outoftheboxagain]

What I also meant to say is that I don't think it's worth the £300+ that people are asking for it (I pressed send too early, had my mobile, land line going and some non-entity banging on the door)  

[Guest Spain pete]

Seller's market if you can find a buyer sold mine about 91  for a score  some German bloke was mad for it  wonder if he's still got it ?

[Rob Wigley]

Gulp !

I always used to play this at Peterborough nighters

great record !

[Dobber]

discogs doesnt mean anything regarding value,its the easiest thing to do is list an item on there and put any price you want,then others follow suit!

i bet if you chuck a copie here on soul source at 150 quid you probably wont sell it

[Rick Scott]

Pretty sure mine came out of a "soul pack" in the 70s (one of soul bowls i think)

Edited May 9, 2017 by RICK SCOTT
missed out letters

[Soul Shrews]

Can"t lay my hands on mine at the moment but its an off white label with green text. Bought in the late 70s, is it kosher ?

Cheers Paul

[Guest Spain pete]

2 hours ago, RICK SCOTT said:

Pretty sure mine came out of a "soul pack" in the 70s (one of soul bowls i think)

Same as, well nearly , think mine was a soul pack from contempo record's oxford st  probably  10 for  a fiver   crazy world?  🎶🎶🎶

[Frankie Crocker]

As always, supply and demand collide to determine the market price. Supply is finite in this case, and most copies are probably in collections to stay. Demand is infinite and those wanting a copy in M- or Excellent condition will pay more. What we are seeing is Wannabe DJ's bagging the latest hotbox-sound... if they want to pay a premium to own the record, that's fine by me. Many 'bread and butter' tracks from decades ago are likely to be resurrected in the years ahead, especially any spun at Wigan 

 

 

 

 

[Chalky]

2 hours ago, dobber said:

discogs doesnt mean anything regarding value,its the easiest thing to do is list an item on there and put any price you want,then others follow suit!

i bet if you chuck a copie here on soul source at 150 quid you probably wont sell it

Discogs is very good actually if there is a history, you can see when and how much discs were sold for. There is more to discogs than the current listed price. Take out the extremes and you get a good idea, usualy the brit dealers who are the extremes too.  Below btw is the sales history of this disc on discogs, there is a few extremes too.....

2017-03-29	Near Mint (NM or M-)	Not Graded	£375.00	£375.00
	Comments: Yellow / green label original.Top condition in storage for the past 40 years.
2017-03-05	Very Good Plus (VG+)	Generic	£179.50	£179.50
	Comments: super glossy vg++ a few very light scratches only perfect for dj-ing with
2017-02-26	Near Mint (NM or M-)	Not Graded	£155.00	£155.00
2017-02-18	Near Mint (NM or M-)	Not Graded	£200.00	£200.00
	Comments: Lovely copy,one light mark (visible with strong light) makes it Ex+/M-feint sleeve rub on one label
2017-01-26	Near Mint (NM or M-)	Generic	£399.99	£399.99
	Comments: EXCELLENT condition. Rare ORIGINAL of this current scene monster. Will send Special Delivery in the UK or AirMail Insured Overseas.
2017-01-19	Very Good Plus (VG+)	Generic	£180.00	£180.00
2016-12-09	Near Mint (NM or M-)	Generic	£195.00	£195.00
2016-12-07	Near Mint (NM or M-)	Not Graded	£160.00	£160.00
	Comments: Beautiful Copy Of This Indemander, Plays through both sides superb.
2016-11-15	Near Mint (NM or M-)	Not Graded	£200.00	£200.00
2016-09-27	Very Good (VG)	Generic	£150.00	£150.00
	Comments: Has a mark which causes a couple of clicks at the start. Otherwise Mint-

[Chalky]

Someone paid £375 just over a month ago, looks like all brit buyers too.

[Millo]

Paid £12 for mine six years ago. A bit expensive at the time.

[Chalky]

51 minutes ago, FRANKIE CROCKER said:

As always, supply and demand collide to determine the market price. Supply is finite in this case, and most copies are probably in collections to stay. Demand is infinite and those wanting a copy in M- or Excellent condition will pay more. What we are seeing is Wannabe DJ's bagging the latest hotbox-sound... if they want to pay a premium to own the record, that's fine by me. Many 'bread and butter' tracks from decades ago are likely to be resurrected in the years ahead, especially any spun at Wigan 

 

 

 

 

But supply is there it would seem as there has been a copy for sale online every week practically for quite some time.  Wants for it are answered.  It is a vastly distorted market for certain items.  Everything about this record suggests it should be relatively cheap yet it is taken out of the reach of ordinary collectors because of greedy wannabe djs who seem to have little knowledge or knowledge magination and simply follow trends rather than influence trends. It has to be them as this is far from rare, it is around in large quantity and I would imagine all collectors who want this have it or will not even bother at today's prices. Some people should just sit down and learn something about the market before parting with these daft sums. 

Edited May 9, 2017 by chalky

[Steve L]

48 minutes ago, Millo said:

Paid £12 for mine six years ago. A bit expensive at the time.

Yes you were ripped off there mate, mine cost me a fiver around the same time!

As has been mentioned someone had hundreds of mint copies and was knocking them out week after week on eBay fetching maybe a tenner on average? 

Sums up the sad state of record collecting at the moment for mere mortals with a modest budget

[Guest]

2 hours ago, soul shrews said:

Can"t lay my hands on mine at the moment but its an off white label with green text. Bought in the late 70s, is it kosher ?

Cheers Paul

If it's release number is C-103 it's a reissue.  The first issue is Yellow label with Green text, like the one pictured above. 

Funny thing is, the reissue could be rarer than the original!!

[Frankie Crocker]

1 hour ago, chalky said:

But supply is there it would seem as there has been a copy for sale online every week practically for quite some time.  Wants for it are answered.  It is a vastly distorted market for certain items.  Everything about this record suggests it should be relatively cheap yet it is taken out of the reach of ordinary collectors because of greedy wannabe djs who seem to have little knowledge or knowledge magination and simply follow trends rather than influence trends. It has to be them as this is far from rare, it is around in large quantity and I would imagine all collectors who want this have it or will not even bother at today's prices. Some people should just sit down and learn something about the market before parting with these daft sums. 

Couldn't agree with you more Chalkie. The vast sums involved are tempting collectors to cash in. Maybe the distorted market will be shortlived - the record ultimately will be spun to death, dropped from playlists and the price will tumble.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, FRANKIE CROCKER said:

Couldn't agree with you more Chalkie. The vast sums involved are tempting collectors to cash in. Maybe the distorted market will be shortlived - the record ultimately will be spun to death, dropped from playlists and the price will tumble.

I would think so as well, if it wasn't for Wade Flemons and Jeanette!  It's gone from nothing and plenty of copies, to a monster and stayed there!

Edited May 9, 2017 by Guest

[Soul Shrews]

22 minutes ago, solidsoul said:

If it's release number is C-103 it's a reissue.  The first issue is Yellow label with Green text, like the one pictured above. 

Funny thing is, the reissue could be rarer than the original!!

Thanks for that, but I read in Mr Manships book that the re-issue was pink. Mine is not pink more off/dirty white. I will try to find it and check the numbers and maybe post a pic

Cheers Paul

[Soul Shrews]

Heres mine LC 6475-B scratched in run out

Cheers Paul

[Frankie Crocker]

3 hours ago, solidsoul said:

I would think so as well, if it wasn't for Wade Flemons and Jeanette!  It's gone from nothing and plenty of copies, to a monster and stayed there!

For Jeanette, it's still first time around, admittedly for over a decade or so now, and as a quality tune, the bar has just got higher and higher. On the other hand, it's second time around for Salvation as this was popular in the '70's. Other recent reactivations show similar price inflation such as Turley Richards, Ronnie Forte, Barbara Lynn etc. I think there's heaps more collectors all wanting the good sounds, particularly if they intend to DJ. Tragedy is, there's not enough original vinyl out there to satisfy everyones' cravings. A few three-figure records have lost their value but most have held up or increased, some staggeringly so.

[dthedrug]

HI ALL....£300 MMMmmm, HOWEVER Robert Thomas SALVATION is one of my all time favourites since the first time I heard it at Wigan Casino November 1973, it went big in 74 for a few weeks, & I was lucky to get a copy for £2, so it was far from cheap, in 75 John Anderson @ Soul Bowl had a few copies, then it just vanished from playlists for many years,(like so many classics on the scene) now it has got an unreal price tag, as said, my boy Taffy had 700 so the record ain't that rare £15 would be my price for a copy (true value).  Funny thing Mick Smith has always associated myself with Robert Thomas Salvation. there is a boot instrumental of salvation & also a nasty girl version BUTCH use to play???? KTF DAVE K

[Chalky]

2 hours ago, dthedrug said:

HI ALL....£300 MMMmmm, HOWEVER Robert Thomas SALVATION is one of my all time favourites since the first time I heard it at Wigan Casino November 1973, it went big in 74 for a few weeks, & I was lucky to get a copy for £2, so it was far from cheap, in 75 John Anderson @ Soul Bowl had a few copies, then it just vanished from playlists for many years,(like so many classics on the scene) now it has got an unreal price tag, as said, my boy Taffy had 700 so the record ain't that rare £15 would be my price for a copy (true value).  Funny thing Mick Smith has always associated myself with Robert Thomas Salvation. there is a boot instrumental of salvation & also a nasty girl version BUTCH use to play???? KTF DAVE K

That nasty girl version is Cresa Watson/Rita Lee.  Was reissued later for the scene and the instrumental is original as far as I am aware, Men from Macon. 

[45cellar]

Apparently there are copies of "The Men From Macon" on Yellow & Green titled "SALVATION"

I have seen one on YouTube. Never been able to find a copy though.

Took me years to find this variation.

[Mark Soul]

bought one for 60 quid last year seems like a bargain now cheers mark

[Chalky]

1 hour ago, 45cellar said:

Apparently there are copies of "The Men From Macon" on Yellow & Green titled "SALVATION"

I have seen one on YouTube. Never been able to find a copy though.

Took me years to find this variation.

If it was YouTube may be it was a doctored label?

[45cellar]

Catch it before it starts. Even has the alternate title for the instrumental written above SALVATION.

 

 

[Peter99]

3 hours ago, 45cellar said:

Apparently there are copies of "The Men From Macon" on Yellow & Green titled "SALVATION"

I have seen one on YouTube. Never been able to find a copy though.

Took me years to find this variation.

Great Roger. Not seen many of your great scans lately. I hope all is well mate.

Peter

[Northern Soul Uk]

Coincidence that there are suddenly 3 Minters on Discogs a week or so after Vinyl Demand have booted it with the same labels??
MMMM???
https://www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=904811&ev=mb

Edited May 12, 2017 by Northern Soul UK

[Woodbutcher]

9 minutes ago, Northern Soul UK said:

Coincidence that there are suddenly 3 Minters on Discogs a week or so after Vinyl Demand have booted it with the same labels??
MMMM???
https://www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=904811&ev=mb

Exactly the same three that were on there on Monday ... when you started the thread and linked to them ... 

[Soul Shrews]

8 hours ago, Peter99 said:

Great Roger. Not seen many of your great scans lately. I hope all is well mate.

Peter

Agree Peter99. And what do you make of my copy Roger ?

Cheers Paul

[Rich Buckley]

On 9 May 2017 at 14:20, Rob Wigley said:

Gulp !

I always used to play this at Peterborough nighters

great record !

I bought this off one of your lists Rob, must have been late 80s. A fiver!

R

[mark ellis]

A mate wanted a copy about 10 years ago, I found one ,dead easy  for 4 quid & gave it him for nothing.

[Northern Soul Uk]

3 hours ago, WoodButcher said:

Exactly the same three that were on there on Monday ... when you started the thread and linked to them ... 

Yes but didn't realise then that Vinyl Demand had booted it

[Mark Soul]

yes but still a boot not a real record cheers mark

[Eddie Hubbard]

A friend of mine had 800 copies of Robert Thomas ,and 200 before that ,so plenty of originals out there .

[Northern Soul Uk]

On 5/9/2017 at 20:16, soul shrews said:

Heres mine LC 6475-B scratched in run out

Cheers Paul

Any but the yellow 'Charay' copies are boots or represses, the one above and the pink one are both the same.
https://www.discogs.com/Robert-Thomas-Salvation/release/7648169

Edited May 13, 2017 by Northern Soul UK

[Rob Wigley]

On 12/05/2017 at 20:18, Rich Buckley said:

I bought this off one of your lists Rob, must have been late 80s. A fiver!

R

Always loved it ! I think £5 might of been cheap possibly £7 lol take care Rich !