Info / valuation on Acetate

[Guest briktf]

Looking for a value on this New Wanderers acetate , came from Carl F and Gary Spencer ..thanks

[Benji]

I somehow doubt it's an original US acetate. "UK style" handwriting and by coincidence both Northern titles on one 45, even though they were released on two different 45s. However I'm happy to be corrected....

[Mal C]

yep that shot out at me also...

[Markw]

36 minutes ago, Benji said:

I somehow doubt it's an original US acetate. "UK style" handwriting and by coincidence both Northern titles on one 45, even though they were released on two different 45s. However I'm happy to be corrected....

I'm not doubting the conclusion Benji based on circumstances of the titles on either side, but I'm curious as to what is UK style handwriting?  

[Amsterdam Russ]

I've no idea of the provenance or originality of the disc, but I must point out that having non-corresponding sides on an acetate - ie, two sides that weren't paired up on a 45 - doesn't point to it being fake. There could be many reasons why these two sides were put back-to-back.

As an example, here's an Allegro Sound acetate which has a track by the G Clefs on each side. Both tracks were released on the Loma label with "Party '66" coming out on Loma 2034 (released March 1966 as the flip to the dire "Little lonely boy"), and "I can't stand it" being released three months later, in June 1966, on Loma 2048 (paired with "Whirlwind").

In this instance I'd consider the likely story to be that the G Clefs acetate was cut so it could be touted around to record labels that might be interested in buying or licensing and subsequently releasing it - in this case Loma.

I could also show you a Bell Sound Studios acetate with The Toys "Lover's concerto" on one side and "I've got a man" on the other. The latter track, of course, was never released as a 45 in the US.

As said, just because the tracks on an acetate don't correspond to both sides of a 45 does not necessarily, by itself, point to it being a fake. The New Wanderer's acetate has some degree of provenance, having allegedly passed through some well-known hands. They should be able to prove the background that'll help determine whether it's real or not. 

Also, it should be noted that the track times on the acetate are longer than those given on the respective 45s. Times on labels aren't always accurate, but regardless I'd sure want to give both acetate cuts a listen to see whether they are slightly longer takes that were shortened or faded out on the actual releases.

 

 

[Guest briktf]

I spoke to Carl last night and he remembers selling this . I also remember the Beltone acetate identical to this one which had Let Me Render on one side and Ain't Gonna Do You No Harm on the other, think John Parker has/had . On this particular one you can hear a voice at the end saying "cut  cut". These studio acetates were done pre - release , so not necessarily going to have released tracks on same acetate . As Russel said plenty other acetates with different b sides to label release

[Chalky]

They probably laid all the tracks down in one session so conceivable that they had acetates done at the time for quality control purposes.

[Benji]

On 4.5.2017 at 00:45, markw said:

I'm not doubting the conclusion Benji based on circumstances of the titles on either side, but I'm curious as to what is UK style handwriting?  

UK style handwriting is all in capital letters. But, reading the other posts, my conclusion was obviously wrong.

[Mal C]

Yep that told us Benji....  my new valuation, I'd expect you to insure this piece for up to 250 pounds. It may fetch more at auction, the hand writing being a prime example of capitalised handwriting not generally found on examples like this....

A rare find, it's been a pleasure to to cast an eye on such beautiful item, thank you for bringing it in....

 

 

[Guest randy]

Ready Records and Beltone are both New York outfits you can go online  easily find other Beltone acteates with capitalized hand writing so not that odd.

It all looks correct to me    

[Triode]

Pretty certain this is legit - a very respected  collecto from Stoke obtained them from the producer.

along with other goodies !!!

[Colouredman]

Only just seen this thread. For the doubters.... I can confirm the following: 

1. The acetates are absolutely 100% original!

2. I know this coz they came from legendary producer Sammy Lowe via me.

3. I tracked him down and met Sammy about 25 years ago in New Jersey, and bought a whole bunch of great things off him, including these and other things.

4. The acetates and some of the records were in an old vinyl rack with no sleeves on them, in Sammys basement music room.

5. A brilliant guy who by the way was a neighbour of the legendary Mike Terry. Sammy introduced me to him and that's how I got to meet and interview Mike; I'd been looking for him for years like everyone else... but in the wrong place (Detroit!).

6. My girlfriend at the time Jacqui Kavanagh and I had a couple of great nights out with Sammy, his younger son Sammy junior, and Laura Greene.

sorry to disappoint the doubters but thanks to those who supported the provenance of the acetates. All are legit and some were different versions of those songs.

Tim A

[Ernie Andrews]

So How much is this worth? I wouldnt have a clue but my god it really has to be rare as hens teeth! Im not going to use the term In Demand because that is so subjective but Im guessing both sides would fill the floor from a DJ perspective! OBviously condition has to be taken into consideration.