Through the post today, can anyone help please

[Northern Soul Uk]

Just got this through the post. It's the 7" single of 'Grace Kennedy - Love is a serious business', a female version of the Alfie Davidson classic.
Question is, I have never seen and cannot find anyone else who owns, or has ever seen the 7"single. I know it is an album track and thought it was an
album track only. It is not listed on the 'Rio Records' discography, the  'DJM records' discography, or the 'This record Co Ltd' discography either.
It is apparently a Canada release only.
Has anyone on here ever seen one?
I know that some of you will prefer the Alfie Davidson version obviously, but that's not what I am asking.
Thanks for any help

Edited April 21, 2017 by Northern Soul UK

[Codfromderby]

nice one ! never seen or heard of one

[Northern Soul Uk]

Heard it on the album, but never seen a 7 before, thanks.

[Zoomsoulblue]

 

[Roburt]

That 45 is on a real Canadian record company and the design of that 45 label was used right thru 1980 and till September 81. 

From the 435 number, it seems to have been the 1st 45 issued on the label and would date (guessing) from 1980. That's a bit strange as the track didn't escape in the UK (on the LP) till 81. The date shown on the 45's label is 81 but that doesn't tie in with it being the 1st release on the label. What's the A side of the 45 ??

Rio did however release another Grace Kennedy record + stuff by the Gibson Bros & Ronnie Jones, so I'd say it's  most likely kosha. She was signed to DJM in 79 and could well have recorded the cut that early with it remaining in DJM's vault in this country till 81.

Edited April 22, 2017 by Roburt

[Detroit Graham]

I've got the album what is on "A" side of this trak.😍

[Northern Soul Uk]

Yeah I'm pretty 100% it's Kosher, as the deadwax is stamped as  opposed to scratched. Someone pointed out that the release number didn't match up to other 'Rio' numbers, but as 'Rio' was also part of 'DJM' records, it ties up nicely. Unless the 'DJR' letters, stand for 'Disc Jockey Rio'? As I say no one has yet come forward to say they have even seen one let alone owned one.
Thank you

Edited April 21, 2017 by Northern Soul UK

[Northern Soul Uk]

detroit graham, the A side is I'm starting again'

[Roburt]

The early releases on Rio were numbered DJR 701, 702 etc no doubt standing for DJ(M) Rio =  DJR

From around # 704 or 705 they changed to be numbered RIO 704, Rio 705, etc  ... not a major amendment.

Edited April 21, 2017 by Roburt

[Roburt]

Found this piece on the label . . . . it dates from summer 1980 when the outfit had just been set up.

The A side of your 45 is "Startin Again" and this also escaped on a Rio 12", though the number of that was DJR-1206 and it has the later label design. The 12" release seems to have only escaped with "Starting Again" on both sides (but I could be wrong on that). The A side track was also released on Profile in the US but with a different B side to Canada.  

The label mainly put out 12" releases in its early months, loads of them, so they were obviously going for the disco DJ market.

Their numbering system seems all over the place as they put out a Rah Band track (also licensed from UK DJM) as DJR-1201 (12") and DJR- 702 (7"). So the  DJR-12xx prefix was obviously for 12" releases and the DJR-7xx for 7" rekkids. There isn't a Grace Kennedy 7" with the number RIO 706 (to go along with her 12" #1206) as RIO 706 features cuts by Cream & Sugar. 

I'd guess that for the label's early releases, their 12" releases were pressed up in bulk and the 7's were a more limited release.

Edited April 22, 2017 by Roburt

[Roburt]

More info on Rio Records & their sub-label Siamese ... they even launched this label in the US, putting out tracks by UK outfit the Funk Masters (who's vocalist was Julie Roberts) ....

[Chalky]

23 hours ago, Northern Soul UK said:

Yeah I'm pretty 100% it's Kosher, as the deadwax is stamped as  opposed to scratched. 
Thank you

Plenty of real records have matrix details scratched in

[Roburt]

8 hours ago, chalky said:

Plenty of real records have matrix details scratched in

Bur very few bootlegs have the deadwax details stamped in.

 

[Chalky]

28 minutes ago, Roburt said:

Bur very few bootlegs have the deadwax details stamped in.

 

I ain't referring to any bootleg.  He said the matrix was stamped rather than scratched which to me inferred that being scratched in isn't real, far from it in many cases.

[Stubbsy]

On ‎21‎/‎04‎/‎2017 at 11:38, ZoomSoulBlue said:

 

Not in the same league as Alfie!

[Northern Soul Uk]

When I said the Matrix was stamped in, I meant as well as the numbers etc. there is an actual stamp, never seen it before, but I will post it so you can decide.
hard to get a good shot but here goes

[Northern Soul Uk]

On 4/22/2017 at 06:58, Roburt said:

Found this piece on the label . . . . it dates from summer 1980 when the outfit had just been set up.

The A side of your 45 is "Startin Again" and this also escaped on a Rio 12", though the number of that was DJR-1206 and it has the later label design. The 12" release seems to have only escaped with "Starting Again" on both sides (but I could be wrong on that). The A side track was also released on Profile in the US but with a different B side to Canada.  

The label mainly put out 12" releases in its early months, loads of them, so they were obviously going for the disco DJ market.

Their numbering system seems all over the place as they put out a Rah Band track (also licensed from UK DJM) as DJR-1201 (12") and DJR- 702 (7"). So the  DJR-12xx prefix was obviously for 12" releases and the DJR-7xx for 7" rekkids. There isn't a Grace Kennedy 7" with the number RIO 706 (to go along with her 12" #1206) as RIO 706 features cuts by Cream & Sugar. 

I'd guess that for the label's early releases, their 12" releases were pressed up in bulk and the 7's were a more limited release.

Excellent article Roburt, Thanks for that

[Chalky]

17 hours ago, Northern Soul UK said:

When I said the Matrix was stamped in, I meant as well as the numbers etc. there is an actual stamp, never seen it before, but I will post it so you can decide.
hard to get a good shot but here goes

You should be a little more clearer with what you say.

the CR in a circle is I believe the Canadian pressing plant Cinram.

[dthedrug]

Hi All..... A lot of talk about the pressing  & the MATRIX #. but very little about the recording? Now the AD copy which is the origanal (Mick Smith gave my wife a original copy for her birthday back in 83, He has never given me anything for my birthday WHY?). To my ears this sounds like a runner up on POP IDLE, it is lacking any kind of soul, but that means that some collectors of rare & obscure POP/Crossover would not say no to owning it, however that is down to the individual/s I wonder what the value of this find is worth?, for me it is not my kind of sound however it is catchy and rare, any guesses? KTF Dave K

[jimmy clitheroe]

Not my cup of tea ..Very 80's pop/disco sound ..nay and thrice nay

[Northern Soul Uk]

To be blatently honest and to risk being shot. Alfie Davidson is also 70s/80s disco orientated too, but has been picked up by the Soul scene, as have, Evelyn King -Shame, The Brothers - Are you ready for this, Montclairs - Hung up on your love, Ace Spectrum - Don't send nobody else. In fact a great majority of "Modern Soul" is disco orientated, and definitely the stuff that came out of the Blackpool Mecca, a la: Esther Philips - What a difference......., Brainstorm - Loving is really my game, and many of that ilk, so it's hard to say that because this is discofied, it's shite.
Fire away, I'm a Yorkshire man with a broad back LOL
Oh! and Grace Kennedy was a winner on 'Opportunity knocks', so not far off dthedrug.
I wouldn't have a clue as to what it's worth as there isn't another one to gauge it by, but have been told by one prominent DJ/Dealer 'Name your price, someone will want it"

Edited November 12, 2018 by Northern Soul UK