Johnnie Mae Matthews - Mama's Gonna Stop You (C-U)

[Gold Band]

Saus was playing this 10 years ago & Pete Smith played it on a pod cast last year, do many know the real artist & title?

Kirsty

[Woodbutcher]

No-one knows either detail Kirsty , still one of the best mysteries left unsolved (and one of the best tracks from the 90's)

Saus still has the acetate .

[TAGGY]

Saus

Taggy here..........need to know about Mamas gonna stop you.........Alan Tagg

[Blackpoolsoul]

On 10/04/2017 at 23:59, Gold Band said:

Saus was playing this 10 years ago & Pete Smith played it on a pod cast last year, do many know the real artist & title?

Kirsty

What a tune, my goodness, I nearly fell over and wanted to dance in the kitchen

 

[Robbk]

I wonder if that's a Juggy Murray or Bobby Robinson production?  It sounds a bit too "gritty" to have been produced by Zell Sanders.  Who else in New York was recording cuts that sounded like that during the mid to late 1960s?  It doesn't sound like a Detroit recording to me.

Edited October 30 by Robbk

[Woodbutcher]

1 hour ago, Robbk said:

I wonder if that's a Juggy Murray or Bobby Robinson production?  It sounds a bit too "gritty" to have been produced by Zell Sanders.  Who else in New York was recording cuts that sounded like that during the mid to late 1960s?  It doesn't sound like a Detroit recording to me.

It's a made up label Rob , the actual acetate is blank untitled and uncredited as I recall .

[Robbk]

5 hours ago, Woodbutcher said:

It's a made up label Rob , the actual acetate is blank untitled and uncredited as I recall .

I knew that the artist was unknown;  but thought it was a legitimate Bell Sound recording done in New York.  So, I was thinking about who that operated in New York, might have produced it, based on its sound (mid '60's hard edged, Bluesy Soul).  I know we have nothing to go by.  It was just pondering "out loud".  

Now I just noticed the post above that says it comes from the 1990s.  Does that mean that it was played by NS DJs in the 1990s?  It certainly sounds like a mid or late '60s recording.  And IF that Bell Sound label on the pictured acetate above is the record we're listening to, it certainly was not made at Bell Sound during the 1990s.

Edited October 31 by Robbk

[Solidsoul]

It was popular for DJ Saus on the Northern Soul circuit in the 1990's.  He featured at a lot of allnighters at that time.  The track sounds 1960's to it's very core.

[Woodbutcher]

1 hour ago, Robbk said:

I knew that the artist was unknown;  but thought it was a legitimate Bell Sound recording done in New York.  So, I was thinking about who that operated in New York, might have produced it, based on its sound (mid '60's hard edged, Bluesy Soul).  I know we have nothing to go by.  It was just pondering "out loud".  

Now I just noticed the post above that says it comes from the 1990s.  Does that mean that it was played by NS DJs in the 1990s?  It certainly sounds like a mid or late '60s recording.  And IF that Bell Sound label on the pictured acetate above is the record we're listening to, it certainly was not made at Bell Sound during the 1990s.

As I said above , that label is a make believe job made for the carvers that were cut 'recently'.

The original is indeed a proper 60s acetate bearing no such details.

[TAGGY]

I was a personal friend of Saus at this time.......

Loved the song then and do regret not asking him in more detail.

Not seen Saus now for ....must be 30 years

[TAGGY]

Carvers that were cut recently......??? Not sure what you mean....have some copies been made ?

 

Taggy

[Woodbutcher]

8 minutes ago, TAGGY said:

Carvers that were cut recently......??? Not sure what you mean....have some copies been made ?

 

Taggy

What's not to understand ?  A few carvers were cut around five years ago.

[Chalky]

It was hitsville Chalky who edited one of the files in circulation, taking out the edits to protect the track to make it sound better, thats what Pete Smith played originally.  Think since then a full file appeared and subsequently cuts were made and by the looks of itv are still being made. 

14 hours ago, Robbk said:

I wonder if that's a Juggy Murray or Bobby Robinson production?  It sounds a bit too "gritty" to have been produced by Zell Sanders.  Who else in New York was recording cuts that sounded like that during the mid to late 1960s?  It doesn't sound like a Detroit recording to me.

The acetate came from Johnnie Mae Matthews

[Woodbutcher]

3 minutes ago, Chalky said:

It was hitsville Chalky who edited one of the files in circulation, taking out the edits to protect the track to make it sound better, thats what Pete Smith played originally.  Think since then a full file appeared and subsequently cuts were made and by the looks of itv are still being made. 

I knew who cut/played it.

Sounds like it could well have been my edited file that was 'restored' then , that's a bummer ... 

Edited October 31 by Woodbutcher

[TAGGY]

How can I get hold of a copy ???

[Woodbutcher]

33 minutes ago, TAGGY said:

How can I get hold of a copy ???

Get someone to grab a file and have a carver cut I guess ... 

[TAGGY]

Ok.....anyone out there any idea who can help me get that done ???

[Mithras]

never thought of that.....lol

[Robbk]

4 hours ago, Chalky said:

It was hitsville Chalky who edited one of the files in circulation, taking out the edits to protect the track to make it sound better, thats what Pete Smith played originally.  Think since then a full file appeared and subsequently cuts were made and by the looks of itv are still being made. 

The acetate came from Johnnie Mae Matthews

The singer has a similar gravelly rasp to her voice as Johnnie Mae has, but her voice sounds a bit lighter and higher on the scale.  Could this be her daughter, Audrey (Kaiya) deliberately putting on a gravelly/raspy voice?  There is a possible family resemblance in this tone sand Johnnie Mae's.

Edited October 31 by Robbk

[Tlscapital]

36 minutes ago, Robbk said:

The singer has a similar gravelly rasp to her voice as Johnnie Mae has, but her voice sounds a bit lighter and higher on the scale.  Could this be her daughter, Audrey (Kaiya) deliberately putting on a gravelly/raspy voice?  There is a possible family resemblance in this tone sand Johnnie Mae's.

And could it be part of Johnnie Mae's sessions that she did with Ollie McLaughlin for her 2 Blue Rock releases  ? As these don't even sound Detroit all the same and share musical similarities with this 'Mamma's Gonna Stop You'.

[Robbk]

16 minutes ago, Tlscapital said:

And could it be part of Johnnie Mae's sessions that she did with Ollie McLaughlin for her 2 Blue Rock releases  ? As these don't even sound Detroit all the same and share musical similarities with this 'Mamma's Gonna Stop You'.

I thought Johnnie Mae's Blue Rock recordings sounded more like Chicago than New York.  This one sounds New Yorkish to me.  Also, this Bluesy cut, "Mamma's Gonna Stop You".  Doesn't sound, at all like Ollie McLaughlin's or his writing group's (Sharon McMahon, Maron McKenzie)'s writing (music OR lyrics).  I'd be very, very surprised to find out this was one of her Blue Rock session recordings.  To me, it sounds more like her Bluesy songs written by herself and Timmy Shaw.

[Woodbutcher]

1 hour ago, Robbk said:

The singer has a similar gravelly rasp to her voice as Johnnie Mae has, but her voice sounds a bit lighter and higher on the scale.  Could this be her daughter, Audrey (Kaiya) deliberately putting on a gravelly/raspy voice?  There is a possible family resemblance in this tone sand Johnnie Mae's.

Kaiya stated in a YouTube comment a year ago that it's not her mother ... 

[Chalky]

42 minutes ago, Tlscapital said:

And could it be part of Johnnie Mae's sessions that she did with Ollie McLaughlin for her 2 Blue Rock releases  ? As these don't even sound Detroit all the same and share musical similarities with this 'Mamma's Gonna Stop You'.

As far as Tim could remember it isn't Johnnie, her daughter or probably nothing to do with her, maybe an acetate that came her way.  He may well tell the tale how it fell on him upon opening a cupboard.

[Robbk]

8 minutes ago, Chalky said:

As far as Tim could remember it isn't Johnnie, her daughter or probably nothing to do with her, maybe an acetate that came her way.  He may well tell the tale how it fell on him upon opening a cupboard.

Good to know the answer to this.  Johnnie Mae was a big fan of The Blues.  This could well have been a Blues singer friend of hers, or one referred to Johnnie Mae by a friend, hoping Johnnie Mae could use her influence to get a record deal for it with a record company, (and nothing ever happened with it).

[Jessie Pinkman]

On 31/10/2024 at 20:02, Robbk said:

Good to know the answer to this.  Johnnie Mae was a big fan of The Blues.  This could well have been a Blues singer friend of hers, or one referred to Johnnie Mae by a friend, hoping Johnnie Mae could use her influence to get a record deal for it with a record company, (and nothing ever happened with it).

She's had so many friends over this side of the pond for years that I'm surprised nobody thought of releasing it here. I'm thinking Kent or Hayley could have done something with it if given the chance.

Edited November 2 by Jessie Pinkman