What Does It Take?

November 25, 2004

After having a discussion with Sam at Broughton on Saturday night about the better version of the Junior Walker classic, thought I'd ask others what they think.

Which do you think is the better cover - The Electrifying Cashmeres or The Bay Brothers?

I know that The Bay Brothers is the rarer, but personally I think The Electrifying Cashmeres is the more soulful; Sam disagrees! I have both so not a case of 'pushing' for the one I own.

Like to know others' thoughts.

Brian

Edited November 25, 2004 by Brian Ellis

Pete S · November 25, 2004

Neither :graynone:

November 25, 2004

After having a discussion with Sam at Broughton on Saturday night about the better version of the Junior Walker classic, thought I'd ask others what they think.

Which do you think is the better cover - The Electrifying Cashmeres or The Bay Brothers?

I know that The Bay Brothers is the rarer, but personally I think The Electrifying Cashmeres is the more soulful; Sam disagrees! I have both so not a case of 'pushing' for the one I own.

Like to know others' thoughts.

Brian

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Brian we had a vote on this very subject a while back probably in all about the soul somewhere....... :ohmy:

November 25, 2004

Thanks John - I'll check it out, very helpful.

Pete-S not quite so helpful - why bother making comments if they are not going to contribute anything to the debate!

Brian

Pete S · November 25, 2004

You asked a question - I answered it. Neither are any good compared to Jr Walker.

November 25, 2004

Brian,

I did a Poll on Rare Soul Forum.

I had Jr Walker (which I love), Electrifying Cashmeres, Bay Brothers and Motherlode.

I think it was a tie between Jr Walker & EC (Both of which I own) and personally I just have EC above Jr Walker.

I also had about 13 other cover versions mentioned, some of which I had never heard of.

Why don't you try a poll on here?

All the best,

Jamie

November 25, 2004

You asked a question - I answered it. Neither are any good compared to Jr Walker.

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Pete - sorry if my post wasn't crystal clear - I was asking which between the two was the better; I was not looking for a comparison with JW.

Regards

Brian

November 25, 2004

You asked a question - I answered it. Neither are any good compared to Jr Walker.

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Got to agree :ohmy:

Pete S · November 25, 2004

Pete - sorry if my post wasn't crystal clear - I was asking which between the two was the better; I was not looking for a comparison with JW.

Regards

Brian

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Sorry, was only pulling your leg. I don't like either, honestly. But I do like Alton Ellis' version if thats any help!

November 25, 2004

But I do like Alton Ellis' version if thats any help!

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Don't know it - but will check it out, especially as it has been done by a member of the Ellis clan!

Brian

Pete S · November 25, 2004

I've got it on a cd called Cry Tough on Heartbeat and it says that it's 'take 2', he's got such a soulful voice and although it's still obviously a reggae version, it is good...actually it's a cracking cd, one of the tracks on here I put on a tape must be a good 10 years ago under a different name because it was a soul version of Girl I Got A Date, finally turns up on Trojans northern cd last year. Also a good soul version of I'mJust A Guy on this cd as well.

Sorry to ramble on...

Marc Forrest · November 25, 2004

You are all wrong, the best version is be the Features on Triad records :ohmy:

Garethx · November 25, 2004

The Electrifying Cashmeres is the only good take on this song, in my opinion (and I include Jr Walker). The Bay Brothers 45 must be one of the lamest attempts at making "soul" in recorded history. A James Last lp track could summon more grit.

November 26, 2004

Brian,

I'm in agreement with Pete - the Alton Ellis version is superb. The backing singers are so soulful and when Alton singings "i tried, i tried, i tried", you really feel he means it. Definately check it out :ohmy:

November 26, 2004

I agree Colla Bach tis a lovely thing of beauty and no mistake think i may have it on a CD somewhere :ohmy:

Trotski

Marc Forrest · November 26, 2004

You are all wrong, the best version is be the Features on Triad records

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As nobody bettered my saying, it just goes to show either nobody was reading it or that nice little 45 is a damn rare thing Of course the record ios by the Ovations on Triad Records

February 8, 2005

Hi to anyone who remembers this topic about which version of -What Does It Take(To Win Your Love).

I`d like to know what version i heard at the weekend at Skeggy Butlins which was sang by a female vocalist,sounded good to me.

February 8, 2005

Hi to anyone who remembers this topic about which version of -What Does It Take(To Win Your Love).
I`d like to know what version i heard at the weekend at Skeggy Butlins which was sang by a female vocalist,sounded good to me.

link

I wasn't at Skeggy but there's a version by Dee Dee Warwick. I'll send you a sound file if I can dig it out.

February 8, 2005

Is this the one ?

February 8, 2005

I wasn't at Skeggy but there's a version by Dee Dee Warwick. I'll send you a sound file if I can dig it out.

link

Thanks Alison ,but it was not the version i heard although it is good,any more out there please?

Ady Potts · February 8, 2005

Sorry, was only pulling your leg. I don't like either, honestly. But I do like Alton Ellis' version if thats any help!

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I've just been listening to 'what does it take' on Alton Ellis - Sunday Coming L.P., the track before it 'Alton Blues' is an out & out Funk record. Does this get any plays on the Funk scene? Shame they had to spoil a good album!! :wicked:

Regards,

Ady.

MarkWhiteley · February 8, 2005

Buddy Miles & the California Raisins - the best version hands down! (IMO of corse :wicked: )

jazzyjas · February 8, 2005

As of late, I'v really enjoyed the B.J. Thomas version from his "everyone is out of town" LP. Strictly for the instrumentation and the laid back feel. His vocal is not so hot, but I like the guitars.

Also, I've enjoyed the Motherlode version for going on 15 years now. Glad it finally caught on. The instrumentation and sound quality of that version is superb. Has instant dancefloor appeal I think.

But I must agree with Gareth that the Electrifying Cashmeres version is undeniabley soulful and vocally a superior performance to all of the other cover versions. I don't rate the Bay Brothers version at all. The backing track is kind of nice, but those guys are shmaltzy and lack soul in my opinion. Why people were paying through the nose for that record is beyond me. Just bad adult contemporary sounding to me. I feel like I'm in a waiting room getting ready to have teeth pulled and it's playing low in the background while I'm rifling through the crappy magazines.

And Pete, I'd love to hear the Alton Ellis version. Is it also on the Trojan Soulful Reggae Box set?

KTF

Jas

jocko · February 8, 2005

Is this the one ?

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Is this 45 Alison, or album, if so which album?

Cheers

Jock

February 8, 2005

As of late, I'v really enjoyed the B.J. Thomas version from his "everyone is out of town" LP. Strictly for the instrumentation and the laid back feel. His vocal is not so hot, but I like the guitars.

Also, I've enjoyed the Motherlode version for going on 15 years now. Glad it finally caught on. The instrumentation and sound quality of that version is superb. Has instant dancefloor appeal I think.

But I must agree with Gareth that the Electrifying Cashmeres version is undeniabley soulful and vocally a superior performance to all of the other cover versions. I don't rate the Bay Brothers version at all. The backing track is kind of nice, but those guys are shmaltzy and lack soul in my opinion. Why people were paying through the nose for that record is beyond me. Just bad adult contemporary sounding to me. I feel like I'm in a waiting room getting ready to have teeth pulled and it's playing low in the background while I'm rifling through the crappy magazines.

And Pete, I'd love to hear the Alton Ellis version. Is it also on the Trojan Soulful Reggae Box set?

KTF
Jas

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5th dimention,good version.

February 8, 2005

Is this the one ?

link

Never heard that version before, :wicked:

Good,but still not a patch on JW's

February 8, 2005

Is this 45 Alison, or album, if so which album?

Cheers

Jock

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Unsure Jock - I don't know of a release on 45 so I'd assume album - it was an RA I had stored as a sound file that Steve Plumb sent me - I'll ask him.

pikeys dog · February 8, 2005

Also, I've enjoyed the Motherlode version for going on 15 years now. Glad it finally caught on. The instrumentation and sound quality of that version is superb. Has instant dancefloor appeal I think.

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Got a Canadian copy of this in my saels box.... will have to dig it out and give it another listen.

WOOF!

February 9, 2005

I've got a nice version by Tony Rome & The D.W.A.I. Orchestra featuring Donald Armstrong, 1981 on a not so common Kency 12. :wicked:

Jr Walker's is the best for me tho...

Sam

February 9, 2005

Is this 45 Alison, or album, if so which album?

Cheers

Jock

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Unsure Jock - I don't know of a release on 45 so I'd assume album - it was an RA I had stored as a sound file that Steve Plumb sent me - I'll ask him.

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Jamesy me owd flower of the North it's Album only i believe not a bad version though i suppose

Kevin Jones · February 9, 2005

There is a great version byThe Fifth Dimension on the album Lovelines, Angels & Rhymes. Easy to pick up and as cheap as chips.

February 9, 2005

There is a great version byThe Fifth Dimension on the album Lovelines, Angels & Rhymes. Easy to pick up and as cheap as chips.

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chips are better value though!,backdoor-ken.

February 9, 2005

Jamesy me owd flower of the North it's Album only i believe not a bad version though i suppose

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Had a message from Plumby in response to this.

Canadian LP on a weird label that he can't remember (he's at work) but thinks its just called Dee Dee.

February 9, 2005

As of late, I'v really enjoyed the B.J. Thomas version from his "everyone is out of town" LP. Strictly for the instrumentation and the laid back feel. His vocal is not so hot, but I like the guitars.

Also, I've enjoyed the Motherlode version for going on 15 years now. Glad it finally caught on. The instrumentation and sound quality of that version is superb. Has instant dancefloor appeal I think.

But I must agree with Gareth that the Electrifying Cashmeres version is undeniabley soulful and vocally a superior performance to all of the other cover versions. I don't rate the Bay Brothers version at all. The backing track is kind of nice, but those guys are shmaltzy and lack soul in my opinion. Why people were paying through the nose for that record is beyond me. Just bad adult contemporary sounding to me. I feel like I'm in a waiting room getting ready to have teeth pulled and it's playing low in the background while I'm rifling through the crappy magazines.

And Pete, I'd love to hear the Alton Ellis version. Is it also on the Trojan Soulful Reggae Box set?

KTF
Jas

link

Alton Ellis version here-

February 9, 2005

As of late, I'v really enjoyed the B.J. Thomas version from his "everyone is out of town" LP. Strictly for the instrumentation and the laid back feel. His vocal is not so hot, but I like the guitars.

Also, I've enjoyed the Motherlode version for going on 15 years now. Glad it finally caught on. The instrumentation and sound quality of that version is superb. Has instant dancefloor appeal I think.

But I must agree with Gareth that the Electrifying Cashmeres version is undeniabley soulful and vocally a superior performance to all of the other cover versions. I don't rate the Bay Brothers version at all. The backing track is kind of nice, but those guys are shmaltzy and lack soul in my opinion. Why people were paying through the nose for that record is beyond me. Just bad adult contemporary sounding to me. I feel like I'm in a waiting room getting ready to have teeth pulled and it's playing low in the background while I'm rifling through the crappy magazines.

And Pete, I'd love to hear the Alton Ellis version. Is it also on the Trojan Soulful Reggae Box set?

KTF
Jas

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Alton Ellis version here-somewhere!!

Have to excuse,tried several times, it is around here somewhere.

Edited February 9, 2005 by jonojones

February 9, 2005

As of late, I'v really enjoyed the B.J. Thomas version from his "everyone is out of town" LP. Strictly for the instrumentation and the laid back feel. His vocal is not so hot, but I like the guitars.

Also, I've enjoyed the Motherlode version for going on 15 years now. Glad it finally caught on. The instrumentation and sound quality of that version is superb. Has instant dancefloor appeal I think.

But I must agree with Gareth that the Electrifying Cashmeres version is undeniabley soulful and vocally a superior performance to all of the other cover versions. I don't rate the Bay Brothers version at all. The backing track is kind of nice, but those guys are shmaltzy and lack soul in my opinion. Why people were paying through the nose for that record is beyond me. Just bad adult contemporary sounding to me. I feel like I'm in a waiting room getting ready to have teeth pulled and it's playing low in the background while I'm rifling through the crappy magazines.

And Pete, I'd love to hear the Alton Ellis version. Is it also on the Trojan Soulful Reggae Box set?

KTF
Jas

link

Alton Ellis version here-

February 9, 2005

As of late, I'v really enjoyed the B.J. Thomas version from his "everyone is out of town" LP. Strictly for the instrumentation and the laid back feel. His vocal is not so hot, but I like the guitars.

Also, I've enjoyed the Motherlode version for going on 15 years now. Glad it finally caught on. The instrumentation and sound quality of that version is superb. Has instant dancefloor appeal I think.

But I must agree with Gareth that the Electrifying Cashmeres version is undeniabley soulful and vocally a superior performance to all of the other cover versions. I don't rate the Bay Brothers version at all. The backing track is kind of nice, but those guys are shmaltzy and lack soul in my opinion. Why people were paying through the nose for that record is beyond me. Just bad adult contemporary sounding to me. I feel like I'm in a waiting room getting ready to have teeth pulled and it's playing low in the background while I'm rifling through the crappy magazines.

And Pete, I'd love to hear the Alton Ellis version. Is it also on the Trojan Soulful Reggae Box set?

KTF
Jas

link

Alton Ellis version here-

February 10, 2005

Is this 45 Alison, or album, if so which album?

Cheers

Jock

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The Dee Dee Warwick LP is called 'Call me' and it's on Canadian 'Sutra' label from 1982

Edited February 10, 2005 by alison

Mike · February 10, 2005

Got a Canadian copy of this in my saels box.... will have to dig it out and give it another listen.
WOOF!

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hippo's wacked this one up in sounds bit

oldsteve woomble · February 11, 2005

Hi to anyone who remembers this topic about which version of -What Does It Take(To Win Your Love).
I`d like to know what version i heard at the weekend at Skeggy Butlins which was sang by a female vocalist,sounded good to me.

link

All I can say is i was delighted to trade my (vinyl) copy of the Bay Brothers with Sam cos i always thought it was shit. Plus it went towards a Delegates Of Soul so I was well happy.

February 11, 2005

I wasn't at Skeggy but there's a version by Dee Dee Warwick. I'll send you a sound file if I can dig it out.

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Electrifying Cashmeres is the one i was looking for.It is sung high pitched and at the time i thought it was a female ,easily done i suppose as i was outside at the time."a la Little Anthony,Jonny Caswell" :

.Just heard a snippet from the middle of the record at Amazon,and it gets my vote.

Possible download about?especially the intro.

jocko · February 11, 2005

The Dee Dee Warwick LP is called 'Call me' and it's on Canadian 'Sutra' label from 1982

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Thanks Alison and John, its a gospel album is it not? If so I did have it at time but never really clicked with, no doubt gave it away to someone now laughing!!

Thanks for that I have most of her 60's/70s abums (I think, she only did about 4 I thought) so was wondering which one, had forgotten she had done this, I think one track on this album did get some plays with the moddern guys.

Cheers

Jock

February 18, 2005

Brian,

I did a Poll on Rare Soul Forum.

I had Jr Walker (which I love), Electrifying Cashmeres, Bay Brothers and Motherlode.

I think it was a tie between Jr Walker & EC (Both of which I own) and personally I just have EC above Jr Walker.

I also had about 13 other cover versions mentioned, some of which I had never heard of.

Why don't you try a poll on here?

All the best,

Jamie

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As listed on Allmusic.com,these are known versions of What Does It Take(To Win Your Love),alright B.J Thomas doesn`t get a mention nor todays pop trollop,but it lends a hand to a poll on here.

Johnny Bristol

California Raisins

Candy Duff

Coon Elder Band

Alton Ellis

Kenny G

Hearts Of Stone

Don Julian

Ronnie Laws

Eddie M(?)

The Manfreds

The Moments

Motherlode

Pride & Joy

Santana

Tony Joe White

The Younghearts

Of course the site doesn`t know of the Northern ones etc so add as you please after these;

Electrifying Cashmeres

Bay Brothers

BJ Thomas

We could all try and track an audio file for each one,especially those on night shift!.

soulmac · February 18, 2005

There's a version by

Garland Jeffreys on Epic 7" from 1982.

soulmac.

February 19, 2005

As listed on Allmusic.com,these are known versions of What Does It Take(To Win Your Love),alright B.J Thomas doesn`t get a mention nor todays pop trollop,but it lends a hand to a poll on here.

Johnny Bristol
California Raisins
Candy Duff
Coon Elder Band
Alton Ellis
Kenny G
Hearts Of Stone
Don Julian
Ronnie Laws
Eddie M(?)
The Manfreds
The Moments
Motherlode
Pride & Joy
Santana
Tony Joe White
The Younghearts

Of course the site doesn`t know of the Northern ones etc so add as you please after these;

Electrifying Cashmeres
Bay Brothers
BJ Thomas

We could all try and track an audio file for each one,especially those on night shift!.

link

Other possibles

skeeter davis

revelators

art tatum

Godzilla · February 19, 2005

Snake Davis used to do a lovely version when he had his proper trio with the incomparable John Ellis on hammond.

It was in the days before he started pandering to the Northern crowd and ditched all the soulful jazz numbers.

...Ducks for cover forthwith