So how many dj on here with bootlegs and re-issue vinyl?

[Guest]

Just wondering if you DJ for yourself or for the people who come to dance at gigs?

I have been to so many gigs in my time that have an empty dance floor because the DJ in his spot plays OVO that nobody else (or very few people) want to dance too.

Edited December 18, 2016 by Guest

[Peter99]

2 minutes ago, Majy said:

Just wondering if you DJ for yourself or for the people who come to dance at gigs?

So is the question about dj's playing boots or dj's playing for themselves or both?

Plenty of threads on here about boots. There are two running at the moment. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Peter99 said:

So is the question about dj's playing boots or dj's playing for themselves or both?

Plenty of threads on here about boots. There are two running at the moment. 

I guess its about both TBH

[Russoul1]

so what venues have you been too to suggest this?

 

[Peter99]

1 minute ago, Majy said:

I guess its about both TBH

I'm not sure that many people would admit to playing boots - even if they do. I suspect that lots of SS members know who does and who doesn't. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, russoul1 said:

so what venues have you been too to suggest this?

 

Lots of local venues (South Yorks) and some not so local.

I'm not going to mention specific venues but trust me there have been a few of them over the years.

[Peter99]

11 minutes ago, Majy said:

Just wondering if you DJ for yourself or for the people who come to dance at gigs?

I have been to so many gigs in my time that have an empty dance floor because the DJ in his spot plays OVO that nobody else (or very few people) want to dance too.

So you're saying that certain dj's choose to play unpopular records. Not sure why any dj would build a collection of records that punters didn't like. They wouldn't get many bookings. As for boots are you saying that anyone should be able to play popular records from boots to keep the dance floor busy? I think you're missing quite a few points. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

I'm not sure that many people would admit to playing boots - even if they do. I suspect that lots of SS members know who does and who doesn't. 

But why would they not admit to it?

Surely the point of music gigs in any form is for the people who come to hear it! Almost any OV is a remake of someone elses record in the first place! especially on the Northern scene.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

So you're saying that certain dj's choose to play unpopular records. Not sure why any dj would build a collection of records that punters didn't like. They wouldn't get many bookings. As for boots are you saying that anyone should be able to play popular records from boots to keep the dance floor busy? I think you're missing quite a few points. 

I have known it happen mate lol but I just mean local gigs where a record collector does an hour spot etc.

[Russoul1]

 

8 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

So you're saying that certain dj's choose to play unpopular records. Not sure why any dj would build a collection of records that punters didn't like. They wouldn't get many bookings. As for boots are you saying that anyone should be able to play popular records from boots to keep the dance floor busy? I think you're missing quite a few points. 

pete was starting to write the same sort of post, as this guy/girl got a problem with djs that try to do things right or prefers

the dj who spends £50 (or todays djs £5000)  on a set of boots etc records that would fill most dance floors at most venues and give it the large one....seen a few of these over the years!!

Edited December 18, 2016 by russoul1

[Guest]

1 minute ago, russoul1 said:

 

pete was starting to write the same sort of post, as this guy/girl got a problem with djs that try to do things right or prefers

the dj who spends £50 (or todays djs £5000)  on a set of boots etc records that would fill most dance floors at most venues and give it the large one....

I have nothing against anyone who wants to collect rare records that's up to them, I just don't understand the point about OVO gigs.

As for giving it the large one I completely understand that too :-( to many people do that on both sides of the argument.

[Peter99]

11 minutes ago, Majy said:

I have known it happen mate lol but I just mean local gigs where a record collector does an hour spot etc.

Of course it happens. 

Edited December 18, 2016 by Peter99

[Peter99]

1 minute ago, Majy said:

I have nothing against anyone who wants to collect rare records that's up to them, I just don't understand the point about OVO gigs.

 

But surely you're missing the whole point. It's a rare soul scene. 

[Russoul1]

Just now, Majy said:

I have nothing against anyone who wants to collect rare records that's up to them, I just don't understand the point about OVO gigs.

As for giving it the large one I completely understand that too :-( to many people do that on both sides of the argument.

you don't understand the point of ovo.............

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Peter99 said:

But surely you're missing the whole point. It's a rare soul scene. 

How so?

It's only a rare soul scene if the DJ playing is interested in record collecting and not putting on a dance gig!

The people going to dance gigs go to dance not to sit about a listen to a DJ who wants to show off his record collection.

Imho the Northern scene is a dance scene how else would 60's pop music (not so rare) have such a large following on the Northern scene?

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, russoul1 said:

you don't understand the point of ovo.............

 

Your right I don't understand the point of OVO! And i don't understand the point of only playing OV either.

[Peter99]

1 minute ago, Majy said:

How so?

 

If you can't grasp that fundamental point mate I doubt that I would ever be able to explain it to you. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Peter99 said:

If you can't grasp that fundamental point mate I doubt that I would ever be able to explain it to you. 

Sorry Pete but are you a Northern Soul DJ or a rare soul DJ? To me they are not the same thing at all.

[Russoul1]

4 minutes ago, Majy said:

Sorry Pete but are you a Northern Soul DJ or a rare soul DJ? To me they are not the same thing at all.

please tell us pete, which one are you?

[Peter99]

1 minute ago, Majy said:

Sorry Pete but are you a Northern Soul DJ or a rare soul DJ? To me they are not the same thing at all.

Ha! I'm not a dj mate. Just a small scale collector. The ovo issue isn't just about what gets played by who. Counterfeiting records is wrong on lots of levels. 

Dancers and punters travel to hear records that they wouldn't normally be able hear anywhere else. Anyway, as I said I'd be here all night trying to explain. You're entitled to your views mate - I just don't agree. 

[Peter99]

2 minutes ago, russoul1 said:

please tell us pete, which one are you?

Neither Russ!

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

Ha! I'm not a dj mate. Just a small scale collector. The ovo issue isn't just about what gets played by who. Counterfeiting records is wrong on lots of levels. 

Dancers and punters travel to hear records that they wouldn't normally be able hear anywhere else. Anyway, as I said I'd be here all night trying to explain. You're entitled to your views mate - I just don't agree. 

Hi Pete,

So it's a question of morality with OVO gigs!

I get it now! I just didn't understand the whole point of OVO only gigs but now I do get the point.

[Guest]

Just out of curiosity do OVO DJ's pay royalties to the artists for playing there records out to the public or does the morality thing stop at buying the record?

[Soul16]

My understanding is that the Northern Soul scene was built around rare records, rather than rare recordings.

Bootlegs and pressings are pieces of plastic with rare recordings cut into them, often with dodgy sound quality.

'It's all about the music' is often given as an excuse for playing boots too. For me, it's always been about those genuine rare records, where the DJ that fills the dance floor with those records is king.

[Peter99]

5 minutes ago, Majy said:

Hi Pete,

So it's a question of morality with OVO gigs!

I get it now! I just didn't understand the whole point of OVO only gigs but now I do get the point.

Hi mate.

morality may be seen as a strong word by some but yep that's part of it. The other thing is that ovo dj's spend a lot of money and time in building collections and discovering new records. For many it's their livelihood. 

Imagine that you'd travelled to the states, unearthed an unknown record, bought it back and the record became massive. Then three months down the line someone somehow counterfeited it and started playing it. Wouldn't you be angry?

Loads of other reasons too. Well be here all night mate!

Anyway welcome to the site.

Pete

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Soul16 said:

My understanding is that the Northern Soul scene was built around rare records, rather than rare recordings.

Bootlegs and pressings are pieces of plastic with rare recordings cut into them, often with dodgy sound quality.

'It's all about the music' is often given as an excuse for playing boots too. For me, it's always been about those genuine rare records, where the DJ that fills the dance floor with those records is king.

This is a list of records (posted on here) from the the first month of Wigan Casino, most of which were played at the earliest gigs before Wigan.

How many of these are classed as rare soul recordings?

JOE HICKS - DON'T IT MAKE YOU FEEL FUNKY

SAXIE RUSSELL - PSYCHEDELIC SOUL

AUDIO ARTS STRINGS - THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO SAY

EDDIE FOSTER - I NEVER KNEW

MIKE POST COALITION - AFTERNOON OF THE RHINO

MORRIS CHESTNUT - TOO DARN SOULFUL CUT

STANLEY MITCHELL - GET IT BABY

TONY & TYRONE - PLEASE OPERATOR

JOHNNY CASWELL - YOU DON'T LOVE ME ANYMORE

UNKNOWN INSTRUMENTAL (sounds a bit like You Want It You Got It)

NANCY AMES - I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT

JR WALKER - I AIN'T GOIN' NOWHERE

TERRIBLE TOM - WE WERE MADE FOR EACH OTHER 

LYNNE RANDELL - STRANGER IN MY ARMS

EARL JACKSON - SOUL SELF SATISFACTION

VOLCANOS - THE LAWS OF LOVE

LEE ANDREWS - I'VE HAD IT

THE SAPPHIRES - THE SLOW FIZZ

EDDIE FOSTER - I NEVER KNEW

THE ADVENTURERS - EASY BABY

FRANK BEVERLEY - IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED

CISSIE HOUSTON - BRING HIM BACK 

GLORIA JONES - TAINTED LOVE

LOU RAGLAND - I TRAVEL ALONE 

PHIL FLOWERS - DISCONTENTED 

LEON YOUNG STRINGS - GLAD ALL OVER

DETROIT SOUND - JUMPING AT THE GO GO

MIKE POST COALITION - AFTERNOON OF THE RHINO

GOLDEN WORLD STRINGS (TOTAL ECLIPSE) - SUPERTIME

THE JELLY BEANS - YOU DON'T MEAN ME NO GOOD

FREDDIE CHAVEZ - THEY'LL NEVER KNOW WHY

[Peter99]

Some of them are collectible. But surely you're just contradicting yourself? If they're not rare or expensive why would people need to play them from boots? 

[Britishbarry]

I'm a bit baffled as to the point of Majy's post. I think a bit of clarification is needed.

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Peter99 said:

Some of them are collectible. But surely you're just contradicting yourself? If they're not rare or expensive why would people need to play them from boots? 

I am not saying they play them from boots I am saying that the scene was not built on rare records alone. Hence my not getting the point of people calling it a rare soul scene.

[Guest]

Just now, britishbarry said:

I'm a bit baffled as to the point of Majy's post. I think a bit of clarification is needed.

 

I am asking if some DJ's on the Northern Soul scene play the records because it is a rare record or because they want people to dance?

Why do dance gigs with records nobody wants to dance to? You are either a rare soul DJ or a Northern Soul DJ they cannot be the same thing.

[Peter99]

2 minutes ago, Majy said:

I am not saying they play them from boots I am saying that the scene was not built on rare records alone. Hence my not getting the point of people calling it a rare soul scene.

Of course not every record was rare. I think we are in danger of getting into semantics. 

[Peter99]

1 minute ago, Majy said:

I am asking if some DJ's on the Northern Soul scene play the records because it is a rare record or because they want people to dance?

Why do dance gigs with records nobody wants to dance to? You are either a rare soul DJ or a Northern Soul DJ they cannot be the same thing.

Of course they can be the same thing. And yes, some records have been played because they are rare, not necessarily because they are good soul records. But that becomes rather subjective. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

Of course not every record was rare. I think we are in danger of getting into semantics. 

Sorry Pete but this has haunted me for years. I understand that some people want to own an original record just as I understand with paintings but I do not understand the point of being a DJ if your not going to play the music that people want to dance to if you don't have it on an original copy?

[Kevinkent]

Just out of interest, do you only dance to records that you know and maybe have been able to practice to?

- Kev

 

[Hornet]

2 minutes ago, KevinKent said:

Just out of interest, do you only dance to records that you know and maybe have been able to practice to?

- Kev

 

Yep ! 

[Guest]

This thread was started by asking the question about DJ'ing not about record collecting. It has somehow jumped to record collecting rather than DJ'ing  

[Shinehead]

Reading your posts on this topic I would assume you were naïve and with that in mind a youngster new to the scene, but looking at your contributions to other topics you must be at least 50 and visited notable venues including Wigan.

I just think this is some sort of wind up and if not you have not learned much about the scene over the years. 

[Bo Diddley]

It looks to me as if the thread starter is referring to Original Vinyl Only do's as a Chinstrokers get together, for those who appreciate the obscure with little regard for the ability of the attendees to dance to said records.

Whereas you can also go out to a night where every record played is a "top 500", "battered to death" oldie that everybody can dance to, BUT played from Original Vinyl.

Incidentally, some of those records played at the Chinstroking Festival  where nobody can dance to them very often are played at the Battered to death Oldies nights 5 years later - played from Boots.

Just my opinion

Edited December 19, 2016 by bo diddley

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, KevinKent said:

Just out of interest, do you only dance to records that you know and maybe have been able to practice to?

- Kev

 

Nope, I will dance to most things that get my feet tapping. I don't however wonder if it is being played on an original recording or not.

[Peter99]

5 minutes ago, Majy said:

Sorry Pete but this has haunted me for years. I understand that some people want to own an original record just as I understand with paintings but I do not understand the point of being a DJ if your not going to play the music that people want to dance to if you don't have it on an original copy?

Probably hit the nail on the head there mate. If you haven't got the records you shouldn't be passing yourself off as a dj. Having original records are the essential tools of the trade.

 

[Lionelonthevinyl]

1 minute ago, Peter99 said:

Probably hit the nail on the head there mate. If you haven't got the records you shouldn't be passing yourself off as a dj. Having original records are the essential tools of the trade.

 

The whole scene has been built around original rare records...years ago and up to the present day....that's what it's all about to me anyway...kind regards....Rob

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, shinehead said:

Reading your posts on this topic I would assume you were naïve and with that in mind a youngster new to the scene, but looking at your contributions to other topics you must be at least 50 and visited notable venues including Wigan.

I just think this is some sort of wind up and if not you have not learned much about the scene over the years. 

LOL, is that a joke?

Yes I went to Wigan among others and the scene I got into was more about the music than whether it was an original or not and neither did 99% of the other people who were there. The rare record thing was more about a DJ wanting to get the upper hand on the other DJ's but to us the music was what it was about and nothing else.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

Probably hit the nail on the head there mate. If you haven't got the records you shouldn't be passing yourself off as a dj. Having original records are the essential tools of the trade.

 

I'm not a DJ mate lol I have never done a spot in my life.

[Kenb]

I admit I might not have caught up with all the threads here yet, but this is a sincere question and an observation personal to me…I’m not trying to fuel a fire.

I listen to Northern Soul (DJ’ed) shows on the BBC, SoundCloud, etc, (plenty listed here on SS in the Soul Radio events listings) and wonder – do they play from OVO or library content?

If so,

Do I care if it’s radio, stream, etc from library…No.

Do I care if it wasn’t OVO at a venue…Yes.

Do I play (at home) re-issues & boots (unwittingly /naïve)…Yes.

[Peter99]

3 minutes ago, Majy said:

I'm not a DJ mate lol I have never done a spot in my life.

I didn't mean you! I was speaking about boot playing dj's. 

[Soul Shrews]

8 minutes ago, Majy said:

LOL, is that a joke?

Yes I went to Wigan among others and the scene I got into was more about the music than whether it was an original or not and neither did 99% of the other people who were there. The rare record thing was more about a DJ wanting to get the upper hand on the other DJ's but to us the music was what it was about and nothing else.

Well if you went to Wigan you will have noticed records were dropped (not played anymore) once they had been booted ?

Cheers Paul

[Guest]

Ok, lets get this thread back on topic.

back in the day (Lets take Wigan for an example) DJ's of the day went out of their way to cover records up and give them false names and titles. Was this because they wanted to be 1 up on the other DJ's or was it because it was a rare record? (the point here is, did they want people to come to listen to them because they had that record or because it was a rare record) You see that's the difference for me between a DJ and a rare record collector.

[Peter99]

9 minutes ago, Kenb said:

I admit I might not have caught up with all the threads here yet, but this is a sincere question and an observation personal to me…I’m not trying to fuel a fire.

 

I listen to Northern Soul (DJ’ed) shows on the BBC, SoundCloud, etc, (plenty listed here on SS in the Soul Radio events listings) and wonder – do they play from OVO or library content?

 

If so,

 

Do I care if it’s radio, stream, etc from library…No.

 

Do I care if it wasn’t OVO at a venue…Yes.

 

Do I play (at home) re-issues & boots (unwittingly /naïve)…Yes.

 

You can play whatever you like at home mate.

I occasionally play the spoons when am cleaning windows. That is very occasionally, as I hardly ever clean the windows. That is a rather different story and down to my mentalist issues. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, soul shrews said:

Well if you went to Wigan you will have noticed records were dropped (not played anymore) once they had been booted ?

Cheers Paul

In your dreams mate lol

Some were dropped because the DJ had lost a record only he had to that point (even OV records were dropped when another DJ had an OV copy) it had nothing to do with boots alone.

[Hornet]

7 minutes ago, soul shrews said:

Well if you went to Wigan you will have noticed records were dropped (not played anymore) once they had been booted ?

Cheers Paul

Did they