Curtis - How Can I Tell Her

[pikeys dog]

Is this price about right or is it an eBay thing?

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A%3AIT&rd=1

[Sebastian]

It's an eBay thing. Soundclip, properly listed and promoted. It usually goes for £15-£30 on eBay and from UK sellers. The one which just went for £100+ is not even the "rarer" non-sound effects version, it's the "usual" one.

[Gene-r]

'kingell! I wouldn't have valued this anything more than £30!

[Simon T]

I would have said £20 tops, considering that it was in literally every sales box in the early eighties when it was 'in'; makes you wonder how many were in circulation - 500+?. Surprised there much demand for it now days.

[Steve G]

I would have said £20 tops, considering that it was in literally every sales box in the early eighties when it was 'in'; makes you wonder how many were in circulation - 500+?. Surprised there much demand for it now days.

Perhaps it's taken off with the disco / boogie boys

The 12" is pretty hard to find, but I agree the 7" should be around.

Curtis is Curtis Anderson, but I am sure everyone knew that.

[Dave Thorley]

Perhaps it's taken off with the disco / boogie boys

The 12" is pretty hard to find, but I agree the 7" should be around.

Curtis is Curtis Anderson, but I am sure everyone knew that.

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I had a bunch of 45's awhile back got £30.00 each for them and they sold out in about 2 weeks. The 12" is really hard to find, always been a big boogie tune in London and with the european boogie collectors. Usually goes for about £100 on the 12"

[Guest Gavin Page]

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Usually goes for about £100 on the 12"

Kin ell

[Sebastian]

It should perhaps once again be noted that there are TWO different versions of this tune released on 45. Exact same label design, but different catalogue numbers. One has got the sound effects which is also on the 12", the other one hasn't got the sound effects. The "non-sound effects" 45 seems to be very, very rare. The ususal one "should" be £10-£30 though.

[Val (Chunky)]

It should perhaps once again be noted that there are TWO different versions of this tune released on 45. Exact same label design, but different catalogue numbers. One has got the sound effects which is also on the 12", the other one hasn't got the sound effects. The "non-sound effects" 45 seems to be very, very rare. The ususal one "should" be £10-£30 though.

I love this choon but I've never heard the copy without the sound effects can you post a clip and scan of the label......very interesting.

[Dave Thorley]

It should perhaps once again be noted that there are TWO different versions of this tune released on 45. Exact same label design, but different catalogue numbers. One has got the sound effects which is also on the 12", the other one hasn't got the sound effects. The "non-sound effects" 45 seems to be very, very rare. The ususal one "should" be £10-£30 though.

Bugger, just gone through my old sound clips and the bunch I sold for £30 each was the rarer without machine noise version. No wonder they sold so fast

[Sebastian]

I love this choon but I've never heard the copy without the sound effects can you post a clip and scan of the label......very interesting.

I posted a soundclip just a couple of days ago here:

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.p...31775&st=76

The label is the exact same as the "usual" one, but with MD 1932 as the catalogue number instead of DM 1879.

[Guest]

I posted a soundclip just a couple of days ago here:

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.p...31775&st=76

The label is the exact same as the "usual" one, but with MD 1932 as the catalogue number instead of DM 1879.

Re-issue then

[Sebastian]

Re-issue then

No, just different issues including different mixes of the tune.

They were most likely both released the same year.

[Guest]

No, just different issues including different mixes of the tune.

They were most likely both released the same year.

Oh,good that makes me bongo version of sitting in my class a original

[Steve G]

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I had a bunch of 45's awhile back got £30.00 each for them and they sold out in about 2 weeks. The 12" is really hard to find, always been a big boogie tune in London and with the european boogie collectors. Usually goes for about £100 on the 12"

Yep I know hence the . The really strange bit is I got in touch with him in 1981. He did ask me what I thought of the record, and I said it would be better without the "room room" noises. It sounds spooky now but maybe he took my advice . I never knew he did a second version until reading this thread.

[Sebastian]

Here are label scans for both releases:

Sound effects issue:

Non-sound effects issue:

[Baz Atkinson]

INTERSTING THIS CAN REMEMBER SAM GIVING IT A WHIRL AT THE CASINO,MUST OF BEEN HOT OF THE PRESS THEN,CANT REMEMBE RIF IT WAS COVERED OR NOT,CAN ANYONE CONFIRM.

BAZ A.

[Guest sigher the gutter snype]

im going to go against the grain here

actually prefer the silly disco sound effects version, much more punchy for

the dancefloor.

[soulfulsaint]

Met Curtis at his Radio Station office in Baltimore in 79. He played the 'disco' version' on air

[SteveM]

INTERSTING THIS CAN REMEMBER SAM GIVING IT A WHIRL AT THE CASINO,MUST OF BEEN HOT OF THE PRESS THEN,CANT REMEMBE RIF IT WAS COVERED OR NOT,CAN ANYONE CONFIRM.

BAZ A.

Are you sure it was Sam Baz, not Richard ? Think Sam had left Wigan by the time this got played.

[Dave Thorley]

Are you sure it was Sam Baz, not Richard ? Think Sam had left Wigan by the time this got played.

Richard played at Wigan and I'm sure when he first played it it was a cover up

[SteveM]

Richard played at Wigan and I'm sure when he first played it it was a cover up

Leon Bryant Dave ?

[okehgaz]

If i remember correctly this was reviewed as a new release in "Blackbeat". The review contained label contact details, prices, etc and i sent away directly to the label, for a 7" and a 12", seems likely that loads others did as well.

Think it appeared about the same time as OT Sykes-stone crush on you (Fun City) and just before the big 60's/70's split!

Think the label had another couple of releases, the group name Harbour rings a bell and i recall a female vocal track but the name escapes me. Both nice sweet soul type records.

[Guest in town Mikey]

If i remember correctly this was reviewed as a new release in "Blackbeat". The review contained label contact details, prices, etc and i sent away directly to the label, for a 7" and a 12", seems likely that loads others did as well.

Think it appeared about the same time as OT Sykes-stone crush on you (Fun City) and just before the big 60's/70's split!

Think the label had another couple of releases, the group name Harbour rings a bell and i recall a female vocal track but the name escapes me. Both nice sweet soul type records.

Thats what I did. Only the 7" tho. I think it cost a tenner. I lent it to a guy in Gloucester and he moved taking the record with him

Is Curtis, Echo Curtis? For some reason I have that bouncing around my empty head.

[Guest]

If i remember correctly this was reviewed as a new release in "Blackbeat". The review contained label contact details, prices, etc and i sent away directly to the label, for a 7" and a 12", seems likely that loads others did as well.

Think it appeared about the same time as OT Sykes-stone crush on you (Fun City) and just before the big 60's/70's split!

Think the label had another couple of releases, the group name Harbour rings a bell and i recall a female vocal track but the name escapes me. Both nice sweet soul type records.

Don't think it was reviewed as a new release as such Gaz, as Steve G mentioned previously he contacted Curtis & I'm sure did some kind of review in Blackbeat on How can I tell her as well as other releases on the label but that was after it had become a BIG play. Always thought it was more Clifton hall than Wigan. Fairly sure Steve also managed to get a few copies as i think thats where mine came from

Also have another version on tape only it's the one with Sound Effects plus accompanying air horns, courtesy of some annoying bugger at Clifton Hall

[Guest Adrian]

Think the label had another couple of releases, the group name Harbour rings a bell and i recall a female vocal track but the name escapes me. Both nice sweet soul type records.

That She Devil track is on the same label I think, i think its pretty poor though from what I remember - bad disco, sure I left it in the rack @ a fiver.

And I like disco!

[Guest]

Don't think it was reviewed as a new release as such Gaz, as Steve G mentioned previously he contacted Curtis & I'm sure did some kind of review in Blackbeat on How can I tell her as well as other releases on the label but that was after it had become a BIG play. Always thought it was more Clifton hall than Wigan. Fairly sure Steve also managed to get a few copies as i think thats where mine came from

Also have another version on tape only it's the one with Sound Effects plus accompanying air horns, courtesy of some annoying bugger at Clifton Hall

That`ll be them Preston street dancers noisy lot!!.

[Guest SteveJohnston]

Richard played at Wigan and I'm sure when he first played it it was a cover up

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Which recording did they play at Wigan?

If I remember right it was about the same time as Omin "keys to the city", Tyrone Barkley "man of value", Brainstorm "love is really my game" and the Brill Charles Johnson "never had a love so good" and the cover ups that I recall from the time Bobby Jason "all these things" Court Davis "the lover who loves you not" Willy G and the Styles "Shit I cant remember the name of the track!" now I know I'm OLD! one not a cover up i do recall Cheryl Berdell " giving it all to you" ,

Steve J

[Codfromderby]

i can remember this track from the period post wigan, however a few years ago i went out in notts with some work mates, we were well hammered, we went into a bar (the name escapes me) and on very loud was how can i tell her, i instantly hit the dance floor and assumed the funny noises in the record were being made by the dj, i then noticed the dance floor was populated totally by males with moustaches and michael portillo lookalikes

so to get back to the point i cant remember the roar roar noises years ago

[jocko]

That She Devil track is on the same label I think, i think its pretty poor though from what I remember - bad disco, sure I left it in the rack @ a fiver.

And I like disco!

I thought that was on label called She Devil also. although since it is probably the worst piece of music ever to carry the name Northern Soul ever, I may well have blocked the real label from memory.

Mr Barnfather WTF were you doing with that record!!!

I thought Curtis was post Wigan too, certainly a monster at Clifton Hall for those noisy F******s the Preston Street Dancers (where are they now?) to go mad too. I still really like this record, proper Disco Northern (sorry Baz !)

Re Steve J post, Cheryl Berdell was covered as Esther Williams initially.

Cheers

Jock

Edited October 26, 2006 by jocko

[SteveM]

That`ll be them Preston street dancers noisy lot!!.

Can't reply to Steve Johnstons post, but the timing is about right I believe. I'm sure RS played it at Wigan but it became much bigger at Clifton Hall and Stafford. Richard and Pat didn't play the whole record through at first, but the Preston street Dancers mentioned by Ken, much prefered the full version which Poke and myself played at CH.

First copies came via John Anderson

OT Sykes was at least a year after Curtis I think.

Willie g was of course "No Second Chance" and Cheryl Burdell was c/u as "Esther Williams & Company"

Edited October 26, 2006 by SteveM

[Guest Awake 502]

Can't reply to Steve Johnstons post, but the timing is about right I believe. I'm sure RS played it at Wigan but it became much bigger at Clifton Hall and Stafford.

Curtis was definately played at Wigan in 1981 covered as Leon Bryant

Richard played it in his last ever spot at the Casino, I posted this set up on another forum years ago and I think it was printed in Togetherness mag.....

Still have it written down somewhere if anyone wants it posting.....

[SteveM]

Curtis was definately played at Wigan in 1981 covered as Leon Bryant

Richard played it in his last ever spot at the Casino, I posted this set up on another forum years ago and I think it was printed in Togetherness mag.....

Still have it written down somewhere if anyone wants it posting.....

Ha, I said both of those things earlier Mr Harden

[Guest Awake 502]

Ha, I said both of those things earlier Mr Harden

And you expect me to be focused at this time of night after a few hours at the Wetherspoons beer festival.....

[Guest SteveJohnston]

Can't reply to Steve Johnstons post, but the timing is about right I believe. I'm sure RS played it at Wigan but it became much bigger at Clifton Hall and Stafford. Richard and Pat didn't play the whole record through at first, but the Preston street Dancers mentioned by Ken, much prefered the full version which Poke and myself played at CH.

First copies came via John Anderson

OT Sykes was at least a year after Curtis I think.

Willie g was of course "No Second Chance" and Cheryl Burdell was c/u as "Esther Williams & Company"

"NO SECOND CHANCE" that's it John Smith as a lot to answer for (Curtis)You say it was a lot bigger at Clifton Hall & Stafford, was that because Wigan closed in September 81 I fermaly believe the Quality of the tracks RS was spinning in 80/81 the Casino had a lot of miles to run and Clifton, Stafford & Morcomb Pier perhaps would not of been so full Don't get me wrong I loved travelling to Clifton All-nighter and getting stuck in the car park that ramp was shit in the snow or Nev Rigby's car was shit in the snow, the Pier always felt like it would fall in the sea the next time someone started stomping, I never went to Stafford shit all that fantastic soul they played mind you I have had a brill last ten years finding out and listening to Stafford sounds .

Steve J

[Dave Thorley]

"NO SECOND CHANCE" that's it John Smith as a lot to answer for (Curtis)You say it was a lot bigger at Clifton Hall & Stafford, was that because Wigan closed in September 81 I fermaly believe the Quality of the tracks RS was spinning in 80/81 the Casino had a lot of miles to run and Clifton, Stafford & Morcomb Pier perhaps would not of been so full Don't get me wrong I loved travelling to Clifton All-nighter and getting stuck in the car park that ramp was shit in the snow or Nev Rigby's car was shit in the snow, the Pier always felt like it would fall in the sea the next time someone started stomping, I never went to Stafford shit all that fantastic soul they played mind you I have had a brill last ten years finding out and listening to Stafford sounds .

Steve J

I have to disagree, I went to staturday nights at Wigan from early on until they finished. Over the last 2 years the Saturday nights were close to empty. By that time the friday night oldie nights were the only thing keeping it alive. But true that was the time when Richard played some of his best stuff. I remember going to a saturday night about 6 months before the end and you'd be lucky if there were more than a few hundred in. Wigan was one of the most important clubs over the history of the scene, for playing new tunes, but by it's close it had, had it's day. I never make any great claims for Stafford, you could say we just got lucky. But the luck came through a lot of hard work by the DJ's and the people/collectors behind the scenes that supported the DJ's there.

Steve this is not me getting all protective of Stafford, more the fact that people do forget about Wigan's true demise and tend to look back with rose tinted glasses. Wigan's saturday newies night was sad to see at the end, but the great music did move on as you say to venues like Clifton Halls, Stafford. Morecombe I always felt was more oldies driven, even with Richard DJing there, more of a replacement for the Wigan oldies nite.

[Guest soul_hull]

great thread....

listening to the non-sound-effects version for the first time. it's got a little break down at the end. still a great tune, but prefer the sound effects version. another great fave of mine - johnny bristol - love no longer has a hold on me uses the same pooooom sound effect.

[Guest]

"NO SECOND CHANCE" that's it John Smith as a lot to answer for (Curtis)You say it was a lot bigger at Clifton Hall & Stafford, was that because Wigan closed in September 81 I fermaly believe the Quality of the tracks RS was spinning in 80/81 the Casino had a lot of miles to run and Clifton, Stafford & Morcomb Pier perhaps would not of been so full Don't get me wrong I loved travelling to Clifton All-nighter and getting stuck in the car park that ramp was shit in the snow or Nev Rigby's car was shit in the snow, the Pier always felt like it would fall in the sea the next time someone started stomping, I never went to Stafford shit all that fantastic soul they played mind you I have had a brill last ten years finding out and listening to Stafford sounds .

Steve J

September first,dont think so,wasnt that the end of a era,December first i think,first of something,was there and dont remember

[Guest SteveJohnston]

I have to disagree, I went to staturday nights at Wigan from early on until they finished. Over the last 2 years the Saturday nights were close to empty. By that time the friday night oldie nights were the only thing keeping it alive. But true that was the time when Richard played some of his best stuff. I remember going to a saturday night about 6 months before the end and you'd be lucky if there were more than a few hundred in. Wigan was one of the most important clubs over the history of the scene, for playing new tunes, but by it's close it had, had it's day. I never make any great claims for Stafford, you could say we just got lucky. But the luck came through a lot of hard work by the DJ's and the people/collectors behind the scenes that supported the DJ's there.

Steve this is not me getting all protective of Stafford, more the fact that people do forget about Wigan's true demise and tend to look back with rose tinted glasses. Wigan's saturday newies night was sad to see at the end, but the great music did move on as you say to venues like Clifton Halls, Stafford. Morecombe I always felt was more oldies driven, even with Richard DJing there, more of a replacement for the Wigan oldies nite.

Dave Attendances where down in mid 81 but I had seen it lower in 77/78 the good tracks started to get played from late 79 in my opinion and although as you say at times it was pitiful the sounds just got better and better for me 81 had got to be the best year at Wigan.

I don't believe you just get lucky you have to make your own luck by hard work and taking a chance in life, and when you think of the demise (which I did see ever Saturday 80/81 and a lot more before) of the Casino the likes of Clifton and Stafford did take a chance I know from listening to the sounds that you lot played at Stafford that it could not have been anything but hard work, I just wish I'd gone to Stafford I may not have dropped out in late 82 if I had.

[Guest Awake 502]

September first,dont think so,wasnt that the end of a era,December first i think,first of something,was there and dont remember

The last of the many last nights was December 5th.....

[Guest SteveJohnston]

September first, dont think so,wasnt that the end of a era,December first i think,first of something,was there and dont remember

Just hold on a minuet hear are you saying I wasnt there :angry: I never mention September the first

I'm talking about memory from 25 years ago NOT someone that as researched it recently and I'm talking about a Saturday all-nighter that played upfront sounds not the Saturday All-nighter that ran on and on . My memory may not be up to you're standerd but i'm not far out

Steve J

Edited October 28, 2006 by STEVE JOHNSTON

[Guest]

The last of the many last nights was December 5th.....

4 days,not three months tho`

[Guest]

Just hold on a minuet hear are you saying I wasnt there :angry: I never mention September the first

I'm talking about memory from 25 years ago NOT someone that as researched it recently and I'm talking about a Saturday all-nighter that played upfront sounds not the Saturday All-nighter that ran on and on . My memory may not be up to you're standerd but i'm not far out

Steve J

Ok i concede,you said september 81

[Dave Thorley]

Ok i concede,you said september 81

You should be in bed

[Guest]

You should be in bed

I know

[Steve G]

Don't think it was reviewed as a new release as such Gaz, as Steve G mentioned previously he contacted Curtis & I'm sure did some kind of review in Blackbeat on How can I tell her as well as other releases on the label but that was after it had become a BIG play. Always thought it was more Clifton hall than Wigan. Fairly sure Steve also managed to get a few copies as i think thats where mine came from

Spot on Dave.

It was played for a while and I managed to get a copy from Soul Bowl for £20 which was a lot of money in those days. It was then that I wrote to Curtis Anderson at the radio station he worked at. From that I got a few 7s and a 12 - and pictures of She Devil is leotards etc. We used the pic of Curtis on the cover of Blackbeat - that would have been the fall of 81.

[Guest modernsoulfox]

Hi

just wanted to let you know that there is 90 % chance that 12in Bootleg have been recently made,so watch out .....

[Mr D]

Flattered by the all the comments of The Preston Street Dancers!

David Duncan( co founder member of The Preston Street Dancers)

[Mr D]

“Curtis “

The Preston street Dancers Anthem