Guest Bogue Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='in town Mikey' date='Oct 25 2006, 02:58 PM' post='368006'] just a thought. If these oldies arent played out. What is the point of going?
Winnie :-) Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='in town Mikey' date='Oct 25 2006, 02:58 PM' post='368006'] just a thought. If these oldies arent played out. What is the point of going? & WPaulVanDyk Today, 02:46 AM Post #73 Getting spins again Group: Mint Posts: 346 Joined: 19-March 06 Member No.: 4,753 Event:: Any in Peterborough I hear loads of same old tunes when i go out but to me i enjoy it and i always hear new tunes everytime i do not know. i also notice certain songs Do I Love you which has not been played out locally for some time so there are times you don't hear tunes anymore I am gonna say something now you might be shocked or think god help me but i said before why we never get Dobie Gray - Out On The Floor played anymore (that is one of my all time fav tunes) i guess people think it sounds lame now and wouldn't fit in with the rest of Northern soul This is a good point ! Are these so called 'played out' oldies actually played out ?? Looking at playlists on here & talking with others the answer is no ! So are they still played out or are they no longer played out & need to be played out because they are no longer played out ??? =============== Rarely played out anywhere. Would take a brave DJ to do so, that is unless of course Butch played them, then we'd be reading the 'how have we overlooked these records for so long' posts
Pete S Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 ============== They must be a bit threadbare by now? And the waist is 8 inches to small!
Guest Roccia Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 It's funny but I said this to Davina about 2 weeks back, we went to the shops and I was wearing a pair of Levis, a white polo shirt under a black v neck jumper and I realised I was wearing exactly the same clothes that I wore 30 years ago! So what's wrong with dressing like that eh? Don't you wear Stone Island gear anymore, Pete...? Roccia
SteveM Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 =============== Rarely played out anywhere. Would take a brave DJ to do so, that is unless of course Butch played them, then we'd be reading the 'how have we overlooked these records for so long' posts I always have to smile when a playlist is put up by a dj, and anything Top 100 listed has the word "Request" after it Why should that be I wonder ?
Winnie :-) Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 I always have to smile when a playlist is put up by a dj, and anything Top 100 listed has the word "Request" after it Why should that be I wonder ? ============ knuckle rapping hurts
Little-stevie Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Is it because the playlists would be talked about on forums like this .They have to protect the god like status they have
SteveM Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Don't you wear Stone Island gear anymore, Pete...? Roccia Thats only when he was a bin man
Pete S Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Don't you wear Stone Island gear anymore, Pete...? Roccia No, I obviously only have one pair of jeans, one polo shirt and one jumper.
Guest Roccia Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 No, I obviously only have one pair of jeans, one polo shirt and one jumper. Pete, I own a clothes shop... Roccia
Guest Bogue Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Northern/Rare Soul was a scene that played unknown records by unknown artists by DJ's who would ONLY play such records anyway to an up for it crowd.....................what happened to this ethos, surely we should all be striving to play or hear the next unknown potential monster/classic if we are keeping true to the original origins of the NS scene ??? . Russ I think this post highlights the difference between the person who loves 'Northern Soul' because of the music & the person who loves 'Northern Soul' just because it is/was hip & trendy & different ! Sorry to go over old ground, but my understanding is that it was termed 'Northern Soul' because the people up north still hung on to liking, what i see as 'Northern Soul'. The 60's & 70's sound that makes you want to dance. Which is why i still can't get my head round how Modern / Crossover can be termed a Northern Soul event !!! The majority of people go to events because they want to have a good time dancing to the music they like, i.e this sound ! Sorry if it seems like i'm having a go Russ, but i find wanting to be hip, trendy & cool a bit hard to fathom when most of us are now over 40. As i have said before ( & this is not directed at you Russ), each to his own, like what you want, but i tire of people knocking these fantastic old records !
Pete S Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Pete, I own a clothes shop... Roccia Is it as good a TK Maxx??
SteveM Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Is it because the playlists would be talked about on forums like this .They have to protect the god like status they have So does that mean that no-one ever requests any of the upfront stuff ? Or was the dance floor empty ? (I'm arguing against what I really think here, but I think its a valid point that needed making, imo of course ) Is it as good a TK Maxx?? Pete, I really think, in this instance, talking like Chico Marx isn't going to help matters
Pete S Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 So does that mean that no-one ever requests any of the upfront stuff ? Or was the dance floor empty ? (I'm arguing against what I really think here, but I think its a valid point that needed making, imo of course ) Pete, I really think, in this instance, talking like Chico Marx isn't going to help matters Oh just because I missed off one single letter. Is it as good AS TK Maxx?
Guest Roccia Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Is it as good a TK Maxx?? What is TK Maxx...??? Roccia
Pete S Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 What is TK Maxx...??? Roccia It's a place Sheffield United fans go to get their gear from after they have exhausted the supplies at Matalan mate. (It's a designer clothes outlet, except it's all the stuff that was designed and never really sold - a clearance house)
Guest Stuart T Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 What is TK Maxx...??? Roccia Its a shop where dustmen buy clothes to give to tramps as charitable gifts.
Guest Bogue Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 I always have to smile when a playlist is put up by a dj, and anything Top 100 listed has the word "Request" after it Why should that be I wonder ? Guilty too !! I'm an 'Oldies' lover & when sorting out records to play at an 'Oldies' night i found myself worrying what would be said if i played this or that. These 'Soul Police' have a lot to answer for !!! Well, not the 'Soul Police' as a whole as they do the unenviable job of stoping these terrible people who play the odd Re-issue . More the 'Guilt Corps' branch of the Soul Police, they do the real damage !
SteveM Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 It's a place Sheffield United fans go to get their gear from after they have exhausted the supplies at Matalan mate. (It's a designer clothes outlet, except it's all the stuff that was designed and never really sold - a clearance house) Popular lines: small waisted Levis, White Polo shirts and black jumpers
Winnie :-) Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 So does that mean that no-one ever requests any of the upfront stuff ? Or was the dance floor empty ? ================ It is a valid point, but may depend on the venue. I've been told one venue in particular (and not having been there, I'm not going to name it) is quite happy for the floor to be empty, because the aim of the promoters is to air new/underplayed stuff, and that's what it's punters want. But if you were to take somebody just starting on the northern scene to it, would they be impressed, or would a more commercial venue with big dance-floor action be more likely to make them come again? Answering myself, I would guess it may also come down to do you prefer to dance or listen? Winnie:-)
Guest Bogue Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 =============== Rarely played out anywhere. Would take a brave DJ to do so, that is unless of course Butch played them, then we'd be reading the 'how have we overlooked these records for so long' posts Sadly, that's probably true Winnie. But then most things in the world are a bit like that, & i guess Butch has probably worked hard to earn his reputation along the way.
Guest Stuart T Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 More the 'Guilt Corps' branch of the Soul Police, they do the real damage ! Excellent. Preventative policing, thats exactly what we need.
SteveM Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 ================ It is a valid point, but may depend on the venue. I've been told one venue in particular (and not having been there, I'm not going to name it) is quite happy for the floor to be empty, because the aim of the promoters is to air new/underplayed stuff, and that's what it's punters want. But if you were to take somebody just starting on the northern scene to it, would they be impressed, or would a more commercial venue with big dance-floor action be more likely to make them come again? Answering myself, I would guess it may also come down to do you prefer to dance or listen? Winnie:-) Obviously thats correct Winnie. But my point was why put "request" after say, Johnny Caswell or Morris Chesnut . If as a dj you don't believe in them enough, don't play them, or, play them and don't differentiate. IMO. It looks, again IMO, like snobbery at times. (Or maybe they are soul police informers )
Winnie :-) Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Sadly, that's probably true Winnie. But then most things in the world are a bit like that, & i guess Butch has probably worked hard to earn his reputation along the way. =============== Certainly wouldn't disagree with that, was merely stating that someone as influential as Butch could swing a lot of people back to 'oldies' if he wanted to
Winnie :-) Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Obviously thats correct Winnie. But my point was why put "request" after say, Johnny Caswell or Morris Chesnut . If as a dj you don't believe in them enough, don't play them, or, play them and don't differentiate. IMO. It looks, again IMO, like snobbery at times. (Or maybe they are soul police informers ) ==================== Totally agree with those sentiments
Pete S Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Popular lines: small waisted Levis, White Polo shirts and black jumpers Kinnell, the one time I wear this particular outfit, it becomes legendary!
Little-stevie Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Yes this topic goes round and round and round..I do like to hear new things to my ears and also dance to great uplifting oldies,its finding a balance but that balance is different for all of us...My mates just into oldies and he came back from a venue saying they were playing too many overplayed tunes,he wanted the slightly underplayed oldies and some mid tempo oldies but just got the 100 mph classics one after another..God bless the promoter because if you can please all then you are a god..I have plenty mates into oldies and they can't talk about what should/not be played without falling out and the same goes for mates into less known stuff,so what chance have we on here...This topic just goes round and round..Its just like a topic about rice pudding,do you like it cooked with a skin in the oven,heated on the gas,in the microwave,cold,with jam etc etc etc ...I like a good mix of tunes from 60s/70s,underplayed/classics/unknown/RnB/stompers/crossover/gritty grinders/beat ballads/mecca/stafford/Wigan...All in the same room on the same night...Yes thats my kind of night ..
Winnie :-) Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Kinnell, the one time I wear this particular outfit, it becomes legendary! =========== Could this be the fabled middleground attire, that we so desperately seek to bring youngsters flooding onto the scene
Pete S Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 =========== Could this be the fabled middleground attire, that we so desperately seek to bring youngsters flooding onto the scene I think it could!
Guest bish Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Let me say something controversial here then, this works both ways, one of the reasons I've stopped going out round here is because it's usually the same people dj-ing at every venue. Now don't get me wrong, these guys are really good and they have brilliant records - but they do tend to play the same records most of the time. And here's the twist. These records often include records with an average price of £500 upwards. So while these records may not be played at all venues, they do seem to be played round here too much, so just because you pay tons of money for a record, does that mean it has to be played at every event? here here
Pete S Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Pete, I own a clothes shop... Roccia Roccia - do you honestly actually own a clothes shop??? Is it online?
Guest Baz Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 ============= Sterotypical bollox, which doesn't even make me laugh anymore. Baz, you don't even go to these sort of nights (or rarely) so how come you see so many of these people dressed up in bags and vests? One of the things that used to signify a soulie was not being judgemental, something sadly lacking in some of the younger soulies Now I guess you're going to say it was a tongue in cheek comment, but you do say it at every given opportunity, and often imply its a significant reason younger people don't get into the scene, which is also absolute tosh IMO. Winnie:-) Just my oppinion on some of the s**te people wear, no i very rarley go to these venues why would i want to? Its not northern soul, its a complete utter rubbish retro scene, i prefer to keep at the proper northern soul scene, and yes i do think all this oh look at me im a soulie because i wear a fist is laughable. Sorry to say but they are my oppinions of that 'scene'
Guest Bogue Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Yes this topic goes round and round and round..I do like to hear new things to my ears and also dance to great uplifting oldies,its finding a balance but that balance is different for all of us...My mates just into oldies and he came back from a venue saying they were playing too many overplayed tunes,he wanted the slightly underplayed oldies and some mid tempo oldies but just got the 100 mph classics one after another..God bless the promoter because if you can please all then you are a god..I have plenty mates into oldies and they can't talk about what should/not be played without falling out and the same goes for mates into less known stuff,so what chance have we on here...This topic just goes round and round..Its just like a topic about rice pudding,do you like it cooked with a skin in the oven,heated on the gas,in the microwave,cold,with jam etc etc etc ...I like a good mix of tunes from 60s/70s,underplayed/classics/unknown/RnB/stompers/crossover/gritty grinders/beat ballads/mecca/stafford/Wigan...All in the same room on the same night...Yes thats my kind of night .. Sounds like Soul Heaven Stevie, but could it ever happen now at a large venue ? & bloody hell, real Rice pudding, forgot what that tastes like !! All i've head in the last 10/15 years is the odd tin of that creamed stuff. You know, i might go & see about making one, the kids have never even tasted real Rice pudding.
Chalky Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Not an oldie but I am sick of hearing Somethings Wrong - Chris Clark every time I go out anywhere. Im not sick of this tune yet but i agree i have heard it out quite a few times recently and a five year ban on certain tunes could well do the scene a world of good. Bearsy A ban wouldn't be needed if DJ's used their imagination. It's like Pete said, there's no point him going out as he has a good idea of what he's going to hear as it's the same DJ's playing the same records week in week out A little imagination, drop a few records, try the odd different one now and again and things would improve no end. The era I grew up in most of the DJ's had their own identity and individual sets, they all comnpeted to play something different, that all changed with the returnees in the early 90's and not much has changed since IMHO. There's 100's of records ignored so a DJ can play the Ringleaders he paid £400 for or Ruby Andrews he paid £150 and many more besides Nowadays should be seeing the best of Northern Soul, the best records from the best part of 40 years yet it's far from it with little in the way of progression, forward thinking and least of all little imagination.
Wiganer1 Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 I always have to smile when a playlist is put up by a dj, and anything Top 100 listed has the word "Request" after it Why should that be I wonder ? ========== probably to show that someone had asked them for it and that it wouldnt have normally been in their normal set.. ive done this a few times especially after my niters sets where some would expect a more progressive spot in the main.. however over the years have managed to balance the need of playing requests whilst trying to inject some new stuff as well..it works 9/10 out of ten. im happy to play requests as i find it quite satisfying that you can make someone smile by playing a record they've paid money to hear.. this guy the other week had asked for 'chains of love' by chuck jackson and i just happened to have a wand copy in my box and put it on 2 records after,,and it packed the floor too also i dont any set playlists so when the requests have dried up ill spin one of my newbies to vary the spot,,but equally dont have a prob with oldies if thats whats been requested.. best mark
Winnie :-) Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Just my oppinion on some of the s**te people wear, no i very rarley go to these venues why would i want to? Its not northern soul, its a complete utter rubbish retro scene, i prefer to keep at the proper northern soul scene, and yes i do think all this oh look at me im a soulie because i wear a fist is laughable. Sorry to say but they are my oppinions of that 'scene' =============== Baz, you're talking absolute pants mate, words fail me. Probably the silliest post I've ever seen on SS!
Winnie :-) Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 A ban wouldn't be needed if DJ's used their imagination. It's like Pete said, there's no point him going out as he has a good idea of what he's going to hear as it's the same DJ's playing the same records week in week out A little imagination, drop a few records, try the odd different one now and again and things would improve no end. The era I grew up in most of the DJ's had their own identity and individual sets, they all comnpeted to play something different, that all changed with the returnees in the early 90's and not much has changed since IMHO. There's 100's of records ignored so a DJ can play the Ringleaders he paid £400 for or Ruby Andrews he paid £150 and many more besides Nowadays should be seeing the best of Northern Soul, the best records from the best part of 40 years yet it's far from it with little in the way of progression, forward thinking and least of all little imagination. ============= So the ringleaders isn't one of the better records then Chalky? Best records are down to individual taste, Velvets, Duke Browner etc etc etc, are some of the best records from the last 40 years, why shouldn't they be played? What makes your taste better than mine or someone elses??
Chalky Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 ============= So the ringleaders isn't one of the better records then Chalky? Best records are down to individual taste, Velvets, Duke Browner etc etc etc, are some of the best records from the last 40 years, why shouldn't they be played? What makes your taste better than mine or someone elses?? I think it's a fabulous record Win, but does every other DJ have to play it. Many of the records that are considered played out and tired are fabulous too, doesn't mean I want to hear them ever week. And I never said my taste was better than yours or anyone elses. There seems (IMHO) a lack of the individual taste you mention, it seems as though many DJ's have decided to play the same stuff with many record over exposed due in part to a lack of imagination which is a shame as there are couintless great records getting forgoten about. Too many trend followers and not enough trendsetters. Again IMHO. If you didn't do Northern Soul and you went to the local night club every week, would you put up with listening to the same top 40 for 20 years? I doubt it.
Guest Roccia Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Roccia - do you honestly actually own a clothes shop??? Is it online? Pete, I honestly do. Have a look at www.madeinengland.it Roccia
Guest Baz Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 =============== Baz, you're talking absolute pants mate, words fail me. Probably the silliest post I've ever seen on SS! Why is it silly, its my oppinion that there is two scenes one northern scene and one retro scene the later IMO is rubbish. The Northern soul scene still strives on what it stood for 'back in the day' and that is to go out week in week out searching out the 'new' bringing obscure artists into the forfront of the rare soul scene. The commercial 'retro' scene has lost its foot in what northern soul is about, invaded by crap media and poor complations on CD........ of well rubbish
Guest Roccia Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Ehi... are you really saying the Ringleaders are overplayed in UK...? Tell me please, so I won't play them at 100 Club... Roccia
Guest Baz Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Ehi... are you really saying the Ringleaders are overplayed in UK...? Tell me please, so I won't play them at 100 Club... Roccia Oh god yes I'll pay you not to play it at the next 100 club
Pete S Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Pete, I honestly do. Have a look at www.madeinengland.it Roccia What a fantastic website! The shop - it reminds me of one in Brighton, think it was called Immediate Clothing?
Pete S Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 By the way, the most interesting playlists I ever see posted up on here, apart from my own obviously, are Mark Freeman's oldies spots - always something different and always something outrageously out of fashion that he isn't afraid to play! It takes balls.
Guest Roccia Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Oh god yes I'll pay you not to play it at the next 100 club Thanks Baz. I'll play Frank Beverly on Sassy, and my Italian Seven Souls... Roccia
Winnie :-) Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 I think it's a fabulous record Win, but does every other DJ have to play it. Many of the records that are considered played out and tired are fabulous too, doesn't mean I want to hear them ever week. And I never said my taste was better than yours or anyone elses. There seems (IMHO) a lack of the individual taste you mention, it seems as though many DJ's have decided to play the same stuff with many record over exposed due in part to a lack of imagination which is a shame as there are couintless great records getting forgoten about. Too many trend followers and not enough trendsetters. Again IMHO. If you didn't do Northern Soul and you went to the local night club every week, would you put up with listening to the same top 40 for 20 years? I doubt it. ============ Probably didn't put my point across very well Chalky, soz All I was trying to say was that you mentioned some of the best records in the last 40 years, and IMO the ones I've listed are some of the best. The 'underplayed' thing, well I'm not sure about that at all. I've seen you say on here many times there are plenty of 20 and 30 pound records worth a spin. If one of the bigger DJ's championed one of these, wouldn't they become played out within a matter of months. Or are they 20/30 pound records because no one likes them much? The question I'm basically asking is if these 20/30 pound records were played more often, would their value go up?
Guest Stuart T Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 (edited) If you didn't do Northern Soul and you went to the local night club every week, would you put up with listening to the same top 40 for 20 years? I doubt it. Thats about the best parallel anyone could make, it'd be like going to a wedding reception every Friday without the free booze. I don't think many people think "played out oldies" are rubbish records, they're usually far from it, but often, as the name sort of suggests (I prefer "overplayed records" for clarity), they're played too often by many people who won't try anything else. :angry: There are overplayed "newies" included in that too. And just look at what happened a few years back, Mick Smith plays Ain't No Mountain High Enough at the 100 Club to a great response and suddenly the record is being flogged to death on the decks by other people. Its nice to hear something like that from time to time, there are loads of similar records, but not week in week out? I'll stay at home thanks. Others include things like Because of You and You Got To Have Money. Good enough records but do people really want to hear them every time they go out? Edited October 25, 2006 by Stuart T
Guest Bogue Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Why is it silly, its my oppinion that there is two scenes one northern scene and one retro scene the later IMO is rubbish. The Northern soul scene still strives on what it stood for 'back in the day' and that is to go out week in week out searching out the 'new' bringing obscure artists into the forfront of the rare soul scene. The commercial 'retro' scene has lost its foot in what northern soul is about, invaded by crap media and poor complations on CD........ of well rubbish Sorry Baz, but as i said earlier up the thread, this wasen't the reason, it was because people liked the music they were hearing ! surely ? The fact that it was rare unheard of artists probably helped because we were young & looking for something trendy & different to the mainstream. But i can't see how you can champion something just because it's rare, irelevent of what it sounds like ? & as i said again, how can you brand Modern & Crossover as Northern ? Liking it is up to you but 'Northern' it is not
Guest Roccia Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 What a fantastic website! The shop - it reminds me of one in Brighton, think it was called Immediate Clothing? Pete, I've never been to Immediate Clothing, but seems to remember the ad on Scootering magazine... Roccia
Chalky Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 ============ Probably didn't put my point across very well Chalky, soz All I was trying to say was that you mentioned some of the best records in the last 40 years, and IMO the ones I've listed are some of the best. The 'underplayed' thing, well I'm not sure about that at all. I've seen you say on here many times there are plenty of 20 and 30 pound records worth a spin. If one of the bigger DJ's championed one of these, wouldn't they become played out within a matter of months. Or are they 20/30 pound records because no one likes them much? The question I'm basically asking is if these 20/30 pound records were played more often, would their value go up? The value probably would rise depending on who played such a record but just because one (for the sake of arguement high profile) plays some forgotten record, whatever the price why should every wanna be DJ and his (or her) dog go out get it and play it, why can't they find their own forgotten record, thats my arguement. If more Dj's did this the scene would be healthier and much more diverse IMHO.
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