Diana Or Martha?

[Drew3]

I always thought that Diana Ross was (is) a better singer of the two but that Martha Reeve's records fitted the scene much better, although you will hear much more of the Supremes about now.

What's your view (and not allowed to say neither)?

KTF.

Drew.

[Guest mrs norman maine]

I always thought that Diana Ross was (is) a better singer of the two but that Martha Reeve's records fitted the scene much better, although you will hear much more of the Supremes about now.

What's your view (and not allowed to say neither)?

KTF.

Drew.

I can't believe you need to ask!

Team Martha

[Soulsmith]

Always was Martha for those powerful sixties vocals. Although live wise her vocals went cabaret from the 70s onward.

Never lied Ross's solo vocals. Bot nowdays prefer listening to those early Supremes sounds that we totally overlooked in the early days.

[Russoul1]

Always was Martha for those powerful sixties vocals. Although live wise her vocals went cabaret from the 70s onward.

Never lied Ross's solo vocals. Bot nowdays prefer listening to those early Supremes sounds that we totally overlooked in the early days.

have to agree with you on

this one love the early 60s supremes sound

russ

[Guest TONY ROUNCE]

I always thought that Diana Ross was (is) a better singer of the two but that Martha Reeve's records fitted the scene much better, although you will hear much more of the Supremes about now.

What's your view (and not allowed to say neither)?

KTF.

Drew.

Pointless post really, Drew - can't see you getting many pro-Diana votes here, mate

TONE

PS: This is not a slag off of the Supremes, whose records I mostly love, whoever's singing lead on 'em...

[pikeys dog]

Martha everytime...

I wonder how far Diana would have got if she hadn't exercised her pipes on Berry Gordys?

[Guest]

Pointless post really, Drew - can't see you getting many pro-Diana votes here, mate

TONE

PS: This is not a slag off of the Supremes, whose records I mostly love, whoever's singing lead on 'em...

Allready got one vote for the Supremes,must be our deaf vewer

[Guest]

I think Diana has a great and very interpretive pop voice (listen to 'Stormy'.... utterly fantastic!) and image, but when it comes to belting them out, its Martha all the way.

I was listening to 'I Can't Erase The Way I Feel' earlier and Martha just sounds great!

icanterasethewayifeel.mp3

Edited October 22, 2006 by Simon White

[Guest bleusuperb]

Diana Ross...superb Martha Reeves....even better

Clip below, one of the best ever.

[Guest bleusuperb]

Sorry can,t get clip gizmo to work

Martha_Reeves___The_Vandellas___No_One_There.mp3

[Nick Hackett]

Diana Ross..pop 0 v Martha Reeves..soul 1.

[Jumpinjoan]

Ross.... slapper

Reeves.... class

[caseoftyme]

I think Diana has a great and very interpretive pop voice (listen to 'Stormy'.... utterly fantastic!) and image, but when it comes to belting them out, its Martha all the way.

I was listening to 'I Can't Erase The Way I Feel' earlier and Martha just sounds great!

Absolutely awesome slab of Martha - what a voice, has always been one of my fav tracks, got it on that hiposelect CD (oops, not supposed to mention CDs on here are we, is that the soul police at the door ????)

[Drew3]

Well I don't agree and I'm taking my post home with me!!!

KTF.

Drew.

[Simsy]

Diana

Motown # 1 act not just cos of legover's. Martha bless her (and I know she's got soul). But those latter day tired old club singer performances don't stack up against Ms Ross imo.

[Guest WPaulVanDyk]

I think Diana Ross was better when in the supremes (they cut the good stuff) when Diana went solo not so much the same and Martha would win out of them as solo but if you add supremes then yes Diana Ross and the supremes 1 - 0 Martha Reeves and the Vandellas (best thing they did record 3 of the greatest motown songs ever)

[Guest Bogue]

Diana

Motown # 1 act not just cos of legover's. Martha bless her (and I know she's got soul). But those latter day tired old club singer performances don't stack up against Ms Ross imo.

What,Diana's latter day things like 'Chain Reaction & 'My Old Piano'

I reckon that lucky 4-0 win has sent your head funny Simsy

[Simsy]

What,Diana's latter day things like 'Chain Reaction & 'My Old Piano'

I reckon that lucky 4-0 win has sent your head funny Simsy

Lucky? Or sheer class? You know the truth ..

Things like Stormy etc show polish of DR. Martha just lost it a bit vocally for me as time went on. Wasn't she institutionalized at one stage?

[Guest Bogue]

Lucky? Or sheer class? You know the truth ..

Things like Stormy etc show polish of DR. Martha just lost it a bit vocally for me as time went on. Wasn't she institutionalized at one stage?

Still 'Martha' for me every time

[Guest]

Lucky? Or sheer class? You know the truth ..

Things like Stormy etc show polish of DR. Martha just lost it a bit vocally for me as time went on. Wasn't she institutionalized at one stage?

Explain institusionalized?,i`m sure she`ll be happy that you remembered this Simsy ,and my supreme Supremes as to be,"standing at the crossroads of love".

[Pete S]

Neither of them have great voices. Diana's is too shrill and Martha's never had any power.

[Simsy]

Explain institusionalized?,i`m sure she`ll be happy that you remembered this Simsy

2 results for: institutionalized

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American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source in·sti·tu·tion·al·ize (nst-tsh-n-lz, -ty-) Pronunciation Key

tr.v. in·sti·tu·tion·al·ized, in·sti·tu·tion·al·iz·ing, in·sti·tu·tion·al·iz·es

To make into, treat as, or give the character of an institution to.

To make part of a structured and usually well-established system: a society that has institutionalized injustice.

To place (a person) in the care of an institution.

insti·tution·al·i·zation (-l-zshn) n.

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institutionalized

adj 1: officially placed in or committed to a specialized institution; "had hopes of rehabilitating the institutionalized juvenile delinquents" [syn: institutionalised] [ant: noninstitutionalized] 2: given the character of an institution or incorporated into a structured and usually well-established system; "institutionalized graft"; "institutionalized suicide as practiced in Japan" [syn: institutionalised]

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[Guest Bogue]

2 results for: institutionalized

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American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source in·sti·tu·tion·al·ize (nst-tsh-n-lz, -ty-) Pronunciation Key

tr.v. in·sti·tu·tion·al·ized, in·sti·tu·tion·al·iz·ing, in·sti·tu·tion·al·iz·es

To make into, treat as, or give the character of an institution to.

To make part of a structured and usually well-established system: a society that has institutionalized injustice.

To place (a person) in the care of an institution.

insti·tution·al·i·zation (-l-zshn) n.

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institutionalized

adj 1: officially placed in or committed to a specialized institution; "had hopes of rehabilitating the institutionalized juvenile delinquents" [syn: institutionalised] [ant: noninstitutionalized] 2: given the character of an institution or incorporated into a structured and usually well-established system; "institutionalized graft"; "institutionalized suicide as practiced in Japan" [syn: institutionalised]

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So what you are saying then is she went to a Structure in America to buy a Heritage Dictionary to look up why Well Established Juvenile Delinquents go to Japan to Commit Suicide ?

Edited October 23, 2006 by Bogue

[jocko]

Neither of them have great voices. Diana's is too shrill and Martha's never had any power.

Pete could you please stop it, thats twice today we have agreed, surely cant be good for my soul police credentials!

Jock

PS Thats not to say they haven't made good records, some great records in Martha's case, just don't think either are the strongest singers. especially Ms Ross.

[Guest]

2 results for: institutionalized

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American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source in·sti·tu·tion·al·ize (nst-tsh-n-lz, -ty-) Pronunciation Key

tr.v. in·sti·tu·tion·al·ized, in·sti·tu·tion·al·iz·ing, in·sti·tu·tion·al·iz·es

To make into, treat as, or give the character of an institution to.

To make part of a structured and usually well-established system: a society that has institutionalized injustice.

To place (a person) in the care of an institution.

insti·tution·al·i·zation (-l-zshn) n.

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institutionalized

adj 1: officially placed in or committed to a specialized institution; "had hopes of rehabilitating the institutionalized juvenile delinquents" [syn: institutionalised] [ant: noninstitutionalized] 2: given the character of an institution or incorporated into a structured and usually well-established system; "institutionalized graft"; "institutionalized suicide as practiced in Japan" [syn: institutionalised]

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Does it make her any less valid as a soul singer,so why mention it,not a positive thing to say about anybody,if you gonna` put a soul singer down,do it for there singing and not there mental state,lets face it theres more than odd the soul bod` that as been institutionalized on here at some point,and i`m sure they wouldnt like reminding all the time. and a lot of genious`s live on the edge of institutional madness,this bit is me,Simsy

Edited October 23, 2006 by ken

[Simsy]

Does it make her any less valid as a soul singer,so why mention it,not a positive thing to say about anybody,if you gonna` put a soul singer down,do it for there singing and not there mental state,lets face it theres more than odd the soul bod` that as been institutionalized on here at some point,and i`m sure they wouldnt like reminding all the time. Simsy

It doesn't make her any less valid as a soul singer. Her success came before the Supremes also. As I said earlier, some of her latter day performances lacked any of the power of her earlier one's. I felt perhaps all that she'd been through must have taken it's toll on her.

That was all. Not having a go and not anti Martha per se. I think she's fab.

That alright for yer ..?

[Guest]

It doesn't make her any less valid as a soul singer. Her success came before the Supremes also. As I said earlier, some of her latter day performances lacked any of the power of her earlier one's. I felt perhaps all that she'd been through must have taken it's toll on her.

That was all. Not having a go and not anti Martha per se. I think she's fab.

That alright for yer ..?

Write what ya` mean then Simsy "now that we`ve found love" are we ok,i think she did a few good things on arista,not exactly 6ts,but compare to her ealier hits,i`ll post a couple later,maybe.

[Madmandy]

Write what ya` mean then Simsy "now that we`ve found love" are we ok,i think she did a few good things on arista,not exactly 6ts,but compare to her ealier hits,i`ll post a couple later,maybe.

Marthas Camp for me

Love her stuff

Dianas persona and the tales of her sleeping her way to the top and her being a total diva put me right off her ...she comes across as a right biatch

Go Martha!

Mand

[Guest]

Marthas Camp for me

Love her stuff

Dianas persona and the tales of her sleeping her way to the top and her being a total diva put me right off her ...she comes across as a right biatch

Go Martha!

Mand

Martha is who i meant Mandy,i`m firmly in the the same camp

[Madmandy]

Martha is who i meant Mandy,i`m firmly in the the same camp

Hi Ken

I was a huge supremes fan way back in the good old 70's

But when I listen to their stuff now it seems quite samey

Diana got bigger and bigger and the group seemd to be further and further in the background .... they were a group then it became DIANA ROSS and the supremes

I still love the sound of Martha and the Vandellas...they have that certain something

Mand

[BrianB]

Hi Ken

I was a huge supremes fan way back in the good old 70's

But when I listen to their stuff now it seems quite samey

Diana got bigger and bigger and the group seemd to be further and further in the background .... they were a group then it became DIANA ROSS and the supremes

I still love the sound of Martha and the Vandellas...they have that certain something

Mand

Ahem!.The Vandellas became MARTHA REEVES and the Vandellas.

[Guest]

I always thought that Diana Ross was (is) a better singer of the two but that Martha Reeve's records fitted the scene much better, although you will hear much more of the Supremes about now.

What's your view (and not allowed to say neither)?

KTF.

Drew.

[Guest]

I always thought that Diana Ross was (is) a better singer of the two but that Martha Reeve's records fitted the scene much better, although you will hear much more of the Supremes about now.

What's your view (and not allowed to say neither)?

KTF.

Drew.

Listening to some old Supremes tracks; it's clear that Diana has a very smooth soulful voice; however I prefer the more of Marthas music. No one there makes the hairs on my neck stand on end.

[Guest Trevski]

Martha every time. Look at some of the early vids, she had a fire and passion in her eyes! Ross, contrived, antiseptic, false. All that gasping and such, pre-arranged fake emotion on cue. Martha, natural and soulful

Edited October 23, 2006 by Trevski

[Guest in town Mikey]

Martha for me too.

And linking to the Jackie v Sam thread. I think the songs chosen for Diana were absolutley aimed towards the pop market, more so than the Vandellas songs. Not that Needle in a Haystack isnt a great pop song.

Diana for me came into her own when allowed to put her feelings into a song. Love Child is a great piece of soul. The live vocal of 'Someday we'll be together' on the 10 years of Motown Box set is absolutely lump in the throat super soul. But her finest hour IMO is in Lady Sings The Blues. I know some people dont like the whiney drawl she uses towards the end, but that was when Lady Day was ##### on drugs. Her voice on the songs when she was playing a healthy Billie Holiday is pure beauty.