Tempests - Someday Info Please

[Dave65]

I went to the True Soul Scottish Weekender last night and one of the DJs played The Tempests - Someday and I found myself singing along to it so I must remember it from the late 70s/early 80s when I was active in the scene but I only got back into it last year and haven't came across it. True Soul was my first Scottish event since Clouds in 1980.

Can anyone give me more details on it, label, rarity, who played it back then etc.

Cheers

Dave

[Chalky]

It is an LP only track except for the one you probably heard which is a Mercury acetate if Kitch played it.

[Peter99]

20 minutes ago, chalky said:

It is an LP only track except for the one you probably heard which is a Mercury acetate if Kitch played it.

The album comes up for sale fairly regularly.  

[Dave65]

23 minutes ago, chalky said:

It is an LP only track except for the one you probably heard which is a Mercury acetate if Kitch played it.

It was Kitch who played it Chalky and cheers for that info. Can you or Peter99 tell me the album name?

[Peter99]

It's called would you believe on Smash records 

Edited October 2, 2016 by Peter99

[Dave65]

Just now, Peter99 said:

It's called Someday on Smash records 

Cheers Peter  although I feel a bit of a clown finding out the album name is actually the same as the track  

[Rick Cooper]

Original recording available on CD with some tracks not on the LP. Great CD with excellent sleeve notes from Dave Flynn .

https://www.cherryred.co.uk/product/would-you-believe/

 

Rick

[Peter99]

15 minutes ago, Dave65 said:

Cheers Peter  although I feel a bit of a clown finding out the album name is actually the same as the track  

Sorry  Dave  I typed the wrong name in to start with. It's called Would You Believe.  Doh .  

[Speedlimit]

originally played by Keb and Guy at Stafford covered as bobby paris

[Peter99]

11 minutes ago, speedlimit said:

originally played by Keb and Guy at Stafford covered as bobby paris

Not a typical 60's Mafia style record Steve. Well  from my old and jaded memory. A bit mid tempo. 

[Guest BabyBoyAndMyLass]

I was hoping this would come up, a thread about it. Right up there at the top of my list of all time faves of any style of music, it's haunting tone, a story about total loss, combined with hope. It's a bizarre tune, I mean Someday, like the Tomangoes, what style of music is it? It isn't particularly black, if I remember right the group is all white save for the one black guy. And those latin trumpets and brass, reminiscent of the Tijuana Brass! Both these records are like a cross between soul and Ring of fire, those chord changes on the chorus of Tomangoes,  F-D-G-C for the benefit of anyone that plays, just weird, to try to categorise those two records into a genre very difficult, 'poppy-latin-jazz' although the Tempests is a lament, must be very popular at soulie funerals, chosen by the loved one left behind, I don't feel like the song is about a love that has perhaps moved on, but a much more permanent loss, could just be my interpretation.

Mentioned 'I really love you' along with 'Someday' on account of them being almost identical in form and composition...

Having said all that, two of the finest tunes I have ever had the pleasure of hearing, will never tire of them despite the fact that I can't listen to The Tempests without becoming 'emotional'... Brilliant records, sadly not played enough on account of their price, Phil Dick the only one I heard play Tomangoes recently, haven't heard The Tempests played out since the eighties.

[Mike Lofthouse]

1 hour ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

I was hoping this would come up, a thread about it. Right up there at the top of my list of all time faves of any style of music, it's haunting tone, a story about total loss, combined with hope. It's a bizarre tune, I mean Someday, like the Tomangoes, what style of music is it? It isn't particularly black, if I remember right the group is all white save for the one black guy. And those latin trumpets and brass, reminiscent of the Tijuana Brass! Both these records are like a cross between soul and Ring of fire, those chord changes on the chorus of Tomangoes,  F-D-G-C for the benefit of anyone that plays, just weird, to try to categorise those two records into a genre very difficult, 'poppy-latin-jazz' although the Tempests is a lament, must be very popular at soulie funerals, chosen by the loved one left behind, I don't feel like the song is about a love that has perhaps moved on, but a much more permanent loss, could just be my interpretation.

Mentioned 'I really love you' along with 'Someday' on account of them being almost identical in form and composition...

Having said all that, two of the finest tunes I have ever had the pleasure of hearing, will never tire of them despite the fact that I can't listen to The Tempests without becoming 'emotional'... Brilliant records, sadly not played enough on account of their price, Phil Dick the only one I heard play Tomangoes recently, haven't heard The Tempests played out since the eighties.

Excellent observations.  I remember reading a Dave Godin article when he talked about this Latin - Tijuana/Mariarchi if you like - theme running through Northern Soul tracks.  Sure he quoted Freddie Chavez 'They'll Never Know Why'  as being another.

[Dave65]

2 hours ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

I was hoping this would come up, a thread about it. Right up there at the top of my list of all time faves of any style of music, it's haunting tone, a story about total loss, combined with hope. It's a bizarre tune, I mean Someday, like the Tomangoes, what style of music is it? It isn't particularly black, if I remember right the group is all white save for the one black guy. And those latin trumpets and brass, reminiscent of the Tijuana Brass! Both these records are like a cross between soul and Ring of fire, those chord changes on the chorus of Tomangoes,  F-D-G-C for the benefit of anyone that plays, just weird, to try to categorise those two records into a genre very difficult, 'poppy-latin-jazz' although the Tempests is a lament, must be very popular at soulie funerals, chosen by the loved one left behind, I don't feel like the song is about a love that has perhaps moved on, but a much more permanent loss, could just be my interpretation.

Mentioned 'I really love you' along with 'Someday' on account of them being almost identical in form and composition...

Having said all that, two of the finest tunes I have ever had the pleasure of hearing, will never tire of them despite the fact that I can't listen to The Tempests without becoming 'emotional'... Brilliant records, sadly not played enough on account of their price, Phil Dick the only one I heard play Tomangoes recently, haven't heard The Tempests played out since the eighties.

 

Echo Mike's comments on your observations and I do play so the chord progression info really works for me. Re Tomangoes, Colin Curtis played it at the Tower on 10th September when I was down. Maybe my presence is a factor lol.

[El Corol]

Er! Surely I'm not the only one who thinks that the tune sounds very similar to It'll Never Be Over For Me, but noone ever seems to mention it?

[Dave65]

3 hours ago, speedlimit said:

originally played by Keb and Guy at Stafford covered as bobby paris

Never went to Stafford coz I left scene the night Wigan closed (please don't shoot me for being a 16 year old fool) so I don't know how I knew the words to the Tempests. I only re discovered my love for the scene and the music last year when I turned 50, dug the collection that was given to me by my late best mate Ian Martin, out the loft then started going to events this June at Blackpool. Last night was my introduction to a lot of tunes that were discovered after I moved on which was really exciting and made me realise I've got a lot of catching up to do!

[Dave65]

12 minutes ago, El Corol said:

Er! Surely I'm not the only one who thinks that the tune sounds very similar to It'll Never Be Over For Me, but noone ever seems to mention it?

Just had a listen to both on YouTube and I hear what you mean, You could do a nice segue back and forth between them both

[Pga1]

Hiya , great record. Ever noticed when you count the group members on the album sleeve another one pops up from behind the trees, I'm sure on the European issue album there's at least another ten musicians, that's including  the bass player underwater with the snorkel.  Played the avengers tonight 'no wonder' has that tex- mex feel (garage with brass)  very similar style but lacking that soulful lead vocal,   Cheers

[Peter99]

4 hours ago, Dave65 said:

Never went to Stafford coz I left scene the night Wigan closed (please don't shoot me for being a 16 year old fool) so I don't know how I knew the words to the Tempests. I only re discovered my love for the scene and the music last year when I turned 50, dug the collection that was given to me by my late best mate Ian Martin, out the loft then started going to events this June at Blackpool. Last night was my introduction to a lot of tunes that were discovered after I moved on which was really exciting and made me realise I've got a lot of catching up to do!

Get into some modern oldies Dave. You know it makes sense!  

Peter  

[Pga1]

Hiya, before you know it they'll be saying sixties newies, where will it lead.   Cheers

[Peter99]

3 hours ago, Pga1 said:

Hiya, before you know it they'll be saying sixties newies, where will it lead.   Cheers

That's so  80's darling.  

[Dave65]

5 hours ago, Peter99 said:

Get into some modern oldies Dave. You know it makes sense!  

Peter  

If that's what heard Guy and Kitch playing on Saturday night Peter then I'm already on it. I take it modern oldies are what was discovered post Wigan.

[Peter99]

34 minutes ago, Dave65 said:

If that's what heard Guy and Kitch playing on Saturday night Peter then I'm already on it. I take it modern oldies are what was discovered post Wigan.

70's  and 80's  Dave.  I'll put together a bit of a list later in the week   and pm yer. 

[Dave65]

15 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

70's  and 80's  Dave.  I'll put together a bit of a list later in the week   and pm yer. 

Awesome cheers Peter

[Windlesoul]

I interveiwed Van Coble (bass player) in 2013. I posted The Tempests story from my first book here...

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/articles/soul-articles/the-tempests-r3069/#

 

Edited October 3, 2016 by Windlesoul

[Guest BabyBoyAndMyLass]

39 minutes ago, Windlesoul said:

I interveiwed Van Coble (bass player) in 2013. I posted The Tempests story from my first book here...

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/articles/soul-articles/the-tempests-r3069/#

 

Thanks for posting that link. Very interesting story, so it was more or less discovered by Martin Meylor, huge kudos, and first played at Stafford early eighties, I was too young to have ever been to WC and assumed Someday to have been an oldie, must have heard it first time at either Keele or Whitchurch late eighties. Never heard it played out since, I assume that at an OVO policy event it would have to be spun from the album, how rare/valuable is the album then?

Let's have it in the thread in case anyone reads who doesn't know it, if so you are in for a massive treat!

 

[Peter99]

3 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

Thanks for posting that link. Very interesting story, so it was more or less discovered by Martin Meylor, huge kudos, and first played at Stafford early eighties, I was too young to have ever been to WC and assumed Someday to have been an oldie, must have heard it first time at either Keele or Whitchurch late eighties. Never heard it played out since, I assume that at an OVO policy event it would have to be spun from the album, how rare/valuable is the album then?

Let's have it in the thread in case anyone reads who doesn't know it, if so you are in for a massive treat!

 

£100 upwards.  Depends what day of the week  and how much someone wants it. 

[Guest BabyBoyAndMyLass]

2 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

£100 upwards.  Depends what day of the week  and how much someone wants it. 

Oh I see, thanks Peter, I'm surprised it doesn't get many plays out then, I guess DJs who have it don't like carrying an album around with them!

[Guest BabyBoyAndMyLass]

13 hours ago, Dave65 said:

Just had a listen to both on YouTube and I hear what you mean, You could do a nice segue back and forth between them both

See what you mean Dave about the Timi Yuro.

Seeing as you're a player of instruments The Tempests Someday is basically a G-B Flat with a bit of F, probably all minor 7ths, The Tomangoes is G-C on the verses with a chromatic link up and the chorus F-D-G-C, probably all Major 7ths, I jam along with the bass so only play the root notes and the chromatic links.

I won't post a direct video link to my YT channel here but if you type in 'Nice old Fender Precision Bass, James Jamerson mode, Jackie Wilson Sweetest Feeling' it will take you there if you're interested. Keep meaning to put some Northern soul up there but don't update it much.

[Ady Of Newark]

The LP also came out on a German release called Well Tempered Soul

[Dave65]

Been surfing the web looking for the album and see a copy on Discogs for £150 which is tempting but I've spent my self-imposed monthly vinyl quota already but there's also a couple of 7" on a Stardust label claiming to be a Canadian. I assume these are bootlegs.

[Peter99]

2 minutes ago, Dave65 said:

Been surfing the web looking for the album and see a copy on Discogs for £150 which is tempting but I've spent my self-imposed monthly vinyl quota already but there's also a couple of 7" on a Stardust label claiming to be a Canadian. I assume these are bootlegs.

Yes they're  boots. Put a want out in the wants forum on here. 

[Sunnysoul]

On 10/3/2016 at 09:56, Dave65 said:

Never went to Stafford coz I left scene the night Wigan closed (please don't shoot me for being a 16 year old fool) so I don't know how I knew the words to the Tempests. I only re discovered my love for the scene and the music last year when I turned 50, dug the collection that was given to me by my late best mate Ian Martin, out the loft then started going to events this June at Blackpool. Last night was my introduction to a lot of tunes that were discovered after I moved on which was really exciting and made me realise I've got a lot of catching up to do!

You left the scene at 16 years of age ? How long had you been on it ?

[Dave65]

8 hours ago, sunnysoul said:

You left the scene at 16 years of age ? How long had you been on it ?

Since I was 13, Ian was 4 years older than me and he got me into it at that young age. He did some DJing in Scotland and had lots of top sounds at the time.  Was actually 3 months shy of my 17th birthday when the Casino closed. Back then I looked much older than I was but unfortunately that's not an advantage any more 

[Dave65]

On 02/10/2016 at 19:36, Rick Cooper said:

Original recording available on CD with some tracks not on the LP. Great CD with excellent sleeve notes from Dave Flynn .

https://www.cherryred.co.uk/product/would-you-believe/

 

Rick

Managed to pick up the CD still looking for a vinyl copy. The entire album is superb

[Benji]

On 3.10.2016 at 17:56, ady of newark said:

The LP also came out on a German release called Well Tempered Soul

Not 100% correct. At least from what I know. Correct, it's called Well Tempered Soul. However it's a dutch release which was officially sent to Germany. At least that's my understanding after seeing 4 different copies, all were dutch but had stickers/inner sleeves indicating they were sold in Germany. So far I haven't seen a 100% german press. 

[Swedenchris]

8 hours ago, Benji said:

Not 100% correct. At least from what I know. Correct, it's called Well Tempered Soul. However it's a dutch release which was officially sent to Germany. At least that's my understanding after seeing 4 different copies, all were dutch but had stickers/inner sleeves indicating they were sold in Germany. So far I haven't seen a 100% german press. 

Mine doesn't has any stickers, but what's the deal about inner sleeves indicating they were sold in Germany? I can only spot the two-language instructions on the back of the cover as indicator of being sold in Germany.

[luxury soul]

On the same album, check out "I Don't Want To Lose Her" too... sublimely stunning!

[Trev Thomas]

[Steve Ss]

12 hours ago, trev thomas said:

that's nice...

anyone notice the young Phil Dick sat sulking at the end?

:-)

[Dave65]

14 hours ago, luxury soul said:

On the same album, check out "I Don't Want To Lose Her" too... sublimely stunning!

It definitely is a stunning track.