anyone ever seen this vers of Luther Ingram on HIB?

[Hakenig]

I'm about to consign this for a friend, and because of the source I believe it to be an original copy, but am interested that it's a green label but a promo. It's styrene. Anyone have an opinion? Thanks in advance!

[Kris Holmes]

west coast demo, legit.

[Soul-slider]

Mine's the orange one. What do these go for now?

[Sammy Seaman]

2 minutes ago, Soul-Slider said:

Mine's the orange one. What do these go for now?

a lot !!!!!!

[Tlscapital]

19 hours ago, hakenig said:

I'm about to consign this for a friend, and because of the source I believe it to be an original copy, but am interested that it's a green label but a promo. It's styrene. Anyone have an opinion? Thanks in advance!

Looks dodgy to me. Fonts are not right, too many of them. Plus I am only aware of the 3 pressing plants for this one; unless proven wrong...

this is the first one  before picked up by Atco for national distribution and then;

   exist also as WDJ,

  exist also as the very rare orange stock,

  and then this one from the same pressing plant as the first not Atco distributed, no WDJ apparently... to this day !

[Kris Holmes]

come on with "the fonts are wrong", the one in the pic is a 100% legit west coast styrene demo pressed at Monarch, the fonts are totally correct.

seriously, my first reply is right, you guys can speculate all you want but you're wrong.

  

[Hakenig]

Thanks everyone. I'm inclined, of course, to agree with Kris

Edited June 3, 2016 by hakenig

[Chris L]

2 hours ago, Kris Holmes said:

come on with "the fonts are wrong", the one in the pic is a 100% legit west coast styrene demo pressed at Monarch, the fonts are totally correct.

seriously, my first reply is right, you guys can speculate all you want but you're wrong.

  

If it's a Monarch pressed example there'll be a delta matrix number, that will tell all.

[Julianb]

This is exactly the same as my copy and it's legit

Monarch pressing number 64973  denoted January 1967

[45cellar]

I would be happy with it in my collection. The scan leaps out to me as a West Coast press. As stated already there should be the Delta number in the deadwax.

[Chris L]

4 hours ago, JulianB said:

This is exactly the same as my copy and it's legit

Monarch pressing number 64973  denoted January 1967

See, there you go, trust those matrix numbers  

[Tommypotts]

On 6/2/2016 at 19:21, hakenig said:

I'm about to consign this for a friend, and because of the source I believe it to be an original copy, but am interested that it's a green label but a promo. It's styrene. Anyone have an opinion? Thanks in advance!

It's legit. A friend of mine picked up a copy of this locally a few years back. Surely this should be the rarest format? 

[Hakenig]

Dunno why I forgot to list matrix along with scan, but yes, it has △64973, with △64973-X on the "Exus" side. It would appear this is the least-documented pressing, and like Tommy said, perhaps the rarest. Will be taking offers on it soon on behalf of an LP dealer friend (he doesn't like to mess with 45s). It's a very clean VG+, almost looks EX, and plays M-.

[Chalky]

If it is monarch pressed it will have MR in a circle followed by the Delta symbol and number.  The delta Numbering system was not exclusive to Monarch.

[Denbo]

Did we get a value on it? The green Demo that is?
How much for the white Demo on vinyl?

[Hakenig]

Yep, it's got MR circled, followed by AT, then delta/matrix.

[Dave Pinch]

dont forget there is an orig orange press as well as the 73 one..... so many variations of this with the counterpart white demos.... one turns up just about every week and still they go from £400 to 650

 

[Tlscapital]

OK I give in, not that I was assertive or definetly affirmative. Or was I ? The original question wanted opinions... but indeed after some digging' for the fonts issue (sorry if I upset anyone ) plus the matrix facts (in this day and age where so many weird things turn up) it finally convinced me to believe that this West-Coast press may indeed be the rarest pressing of it ! And not another one of them dummies pressing. I learn everyday. Thanks for sharing that.

Here's a record baring all the same font and more in different places, but there;

  = 

Edited June 4, 2016 by tlscapital

[Chris L]

5 hours ago, dave pinch said:

dont forget there is an orig orange press as well as the 73 one..... so many variations of this with the counterpart white demos.... one turns up just about every week and still they go from £400 to 650

 

I sold a rough issue for £300 !! high in any ones language. 

[Cover-up]

Could this be the hardest promoted flop record ever released? It's crazy that the record got pressed with at least six label variations at various plants - and then the label had another go in 1973. Somebody obviously had a lot of faith in Mr Ingram, quite rightly as history has proved!

Edited June 6, 2016 by cover-up

[Steve Foran]

I have the rarer Orange issue. I posted it on here about 2/3 years ago. But cant find it. Sorry!

[Robbk]

9 hours ago, cover-up said:

Could this be the hardest promoted flop record ever released? It's crazy that the record got pressed with at least six label variations at various plants - and then the label had another go in 1973. Somebody obviously had a lot of faith in Mr Ingram, quite rightly as history has proved!

Could be one of the biggest failures.  I've never heard of it having gotten any airplay.  It certainly didn't get played in Chicago, L.A. or The S.F. Bay Area.  I wonder if it even got any play in Detroit, despite Wylie being local?

[Roburt]

Luther Ingram had a #1 R&B 45 plus a #9 R&B 45 in 1972 (both on Koko -- the 2nd 45 being released at the end of 72).

So I'd say any re-release of this 45 in 73 would have been to try to cash in on his then current success. 

[Kegsy]

24 minutes ago, Roburt said:

Luther Ingram had a #1 R&B 45 plus a #9 R&B 45 in 1972 (both on Koko -- the 2nd 45 being released at the end of 72).

So I'd say any re-release of this 45 in 73 would have been to try to cash in on his then current success. 

So nothing to do with it being played on the northern scene from 72 at the Torch then ?

Edited June 6, 2016 by Kegsy

[Roburt]

I can't say. If the copies initially stayed in the US then I'd say it was to cash in on Luther's US success, but if all the 73 copies were just shipped straight to the UK, then it will have been the 45s UK profile that got it re-issued.  

I was only into mainstream soul in 72/73 & not following the UK NS scene at all (though I was selling old 45's from my collection to some of the Dony lads & to the likes of Temple back then).

[Bruv]

What a relief for me my friend found this Thread a couple of nights ago while I was round showing him my Green Hib Promo styrene copy of Luther Ingram - If it's all the same that came in the post from Hesperia California this week, he had looked through the John Manship books and no sign of my record existing even though I was confident mine looked real enough with the Monarch stamp and was hoping it was a rare format of the track, so Big Thanks to everyone who posted on this thread that's put my mind at rest.   Special for me the record came from Hesperia as that's the City I imported my 1969 Dodge Coronet from in 2006 never imagined buying a record from there, pic of the Dodge from Portland Bill Dorset included with the Single.   

[Winsford Soul]

55 minutes ago, Bruv said:

What a relief for me my friend found this Thread a couple of nights ago while I was round showing him my Green Hib Promo styrene copy of Luther Ingram - If it's all the same that came in the post from Hesperia California this week, he had looked through the John Manship books and no sign of my record existing even though I was confident mine looked real enough with the Monarch stamp and was hoping it was a rare format of the track, so Big Thanks to everyone who posted on this thread that's put my mind at rest.   Special for me the record came from Hesperia as that's the City I imported my 1969 Dodge Coronet from in 2006 never imagined buying a record from there, pic of the Dodge from Portland Bill Dorset included with the Single.   

Much rather have the record mate. Never been a car / petrol head type person.  They just get me in comfort  from nighter to soul night and when I can be bothered work 

Steve 

[Bruv]

4 hours ago, Winsford Soul said:

Much rather have the record mate. Never been a car / petrol head type person.  They just get me in comfort  from nighter to soul night and when I can be bothered work 

Steve 

I know what you mean Steve, trust me there's been plenty of times when I wish I never got hooked on these old Bangers! 

[Winsford Soul]

26 minutes ago, Bruv said:

I know what you mean Steve, trust me there's been plenty of times when I wish I never got hooked on these old Bangers! 

Worse things to be hooked on mate. Imagine getting hooked on buying records . Now that would be awful. 

Steve