Wrong Speed

[Keeper]

Am i the only one who gets really annoyed with people posting tunes on Youtube for example at a much reduced speed !!!!

To my mind if they don't like the record as it was recorded ..........listen to something else instead of mucking about with the original recording !!! Happy Easter !!!!!

[Dobber]

A few years back I listened to oma heard lonely heart on YouTube,Id never heard it before,I then managed to get a copy,but then to my horror discovered the YouTube copy had been speeded up quite a lot! The actual 45 plays a lot slower,but the tune was ruined for me because of the YouTube version!

 A similar thing happened in the 80's with the release of the Detroit prophets suspicion single,I honestly believed it was a uptempo girl group tune,and I loved it,years later it turns out to be the unreleased male Motown song but really speeded up! To this day I still can't listen to the originals real version!

[Wilxy]

Personally I've never been a fan of a record not being played at its original RPM for whatever reason!

[Chris Turnbull]

A couple that spring to mind for me are old Butch spins Diane Lewis 'you ain't got a chance', and Ujima 'I'm not ready', played somewhat faster by Butch I think than when you hear them normally - Diane Lewis sounds a lot different, and Ujima sluggish in comparison.

 

[Robbk]

I had the opposite result.  I've had Major Lance's "Phyllis" for many years.  I often listen to YouTube videos when traveling (which is much of the year-3 mo. in Netherlands, 2 in Denmark, 2.5 in Germany, 2 in Canada and 2.5 in USA).  So. I listen to more music from You Tube than any other source.  So, currently, I listen mostly to You Tube.  Currently, the only Internet uploaded version of that song is off the bootlegged "Mercury R&B Series".  THAT version was taken off a 45, played too slowly on a slow turntable (probably 44 RPM), so it is slower than the original 45, (which I have).  When I heard the Mercury CD version, I loved it at the slower pace.  Major was still a teen when he recorded it, so his falsetto was even higher than his usual, and also, the slower pace more matched Johnny Pate's relaxed mid-tempo pace than the more frenetic Mercury recording.  So, an error produced an even better version of a song I loved, doing to it what I would have done had I been the producer and arranger.

Edited March 28, 2016 by RobbK

[Chris Turnbull]

16 minutes ago, RobbK said:

I had the opposite result.  I've had Major Lance's "Phyllis" for many years.  I often listen to YouTube videos when traveling (which is much of the year-3 mo. in Netherlands, 2 in Denmark, 2.5 in Germany, 2 in Canada and 2.5 in USA).  So. I listen to more music from You Tube than any other source.  So, currently, I listen mostly to You Tube.  Currently, the only Internet uploaded version of that song is off the bootlegged "Mercury R&B Series".  THAT version was taken off a 45, played too slowly on a slow turntable (probably 44 RPM), so it is slower than the original 45, (which I have).  When I heard the Mercury CD version, I loved it at the slower pace.  Major was still a teen when he recorded it, so his falsetto was even higher than his usual, and also, the slower pace more matched Johnny Pate's relaxed mid-tempo pace than the more frenetic Mercury recording.  So, an error produced an even better version of a song I loved, doing to it what I woukl have done had I been the producer and arranger.

Similarly the Diane Lewis and Ujima tracks I mentioned are much more punchy for being pitched up a bit 

[soulfulsevens]

Never attend a Popcorn night you'll have a fit.

[Robbk]

5 minutes ago, Chris Turnbull said:

5 minutes ago, soulfulsevens said:

Never attend a Popcorn night you'll have a fit.

Similarly the Diane Lewis and Ujima tracks I mentioned are much more punchy for being pitched up a bit 

I'd have a fit???  Mercy!  Why?  Do the Popcorn fans slow recordings down, or speed them up?  Or BOTH?  Do they bastardise thousands of songs just to get them at the exact, perfect tempo for shagging?    Those unscrupulous fiends!!!

[Robbk]

1 hour ago, dobber said:

A few years back I listened to oma heard lonely heart on YouTube,Id never heard it before,I then managed to get a copy,but then to my horror discovered the YouTube copy had been speeded up quite a lot! The actual 45 plays a lot slower,but the tune was ruined for me because of the YouTube version!

 A similar thing happened in the 80's with the release of the "Detroit Prophets'" "Suspicion" single, I honestly believed it was a uptempo girl group tune,and I loved it,years later it turns out to be the unreleased male Motown song but really SPED up! To this day I still can't listen to the originals real version!

I've got a bone to pick with not only those blokes who chose to place the sped-up version of the so-called "Detroit Prophets" on The Internet, but also those poor tasters who uploaded the lousy, alternate take version of "Suspicion" by The Originals, rather than the better version that we had selected for "From The Vaults #2", and that I sent with Rod S. to The UK for its debut there.  Now that sub par version is the ONLY one on The Internet (about 10 different videos).  So everyone knows only that not-as-good version.

[Keeper]

9 hours ago, soulfulsevens said:

Never attend a Popcorn night you'll have a fit.

Personally    ...i like a lot of the stuff that would fall into that category..........at the right F%&!NG speed !!!!!

[Thecivilservice]

Reckon that if someone takes the time to upload a track then they can pitch it up or down if they want.  Think the etiquette should be to state the pitch change in the description though.  Does grate a bit when it's not what you're used to like the too fast version of Turn Back To Me by The Amboy Dukes (UK) currently on YouTube.

[Len]

Nowt wrong in tweaking the speed slightly for some tunes - For dancing, it can be the difference between enjoying, or walking through treacle!.......In my humble opinion of course 

You may have a point ref posting on You Tube though 

All the best,

Len 

[Stateside]

Thousands of us danced away to Epitome of Sound in the 70's, speeded up as Moses Smith, but not that much that it put me off the original.

Kev

[Johnny Jones]

I Bought Phil Colbert - Who's got the action , heard it on tapes years ago and Youtube not realizing it had been pitched up slightly so now when i play it it sounds like it needs winding up, both versions on Youtube now.  

[Geeselad]

not got a problem with this myself. If it sounds right do it

 

 

[Dave Thorley]

On 3/28/2016 at 23:48, RobbK said:

I've got a bone to pick with not only those blokes who chose to place the sped-up version of the so-called "Detroit Prophets" on The Internet, but also those poor tasters who uploaded the lousy, alternate take version of "Suspicion" by The Originals, rather than the better version that we had selected for "From The Vaults #2", and that I sent with Rod S. to The UK for its debut there.  Now that sub par version is the ONLY one on The Internet (about 10 different videos).  So everyone knows only that not-as-good version.

But Robb, hasn't that got more to do with the fact that Universal keeps taking down lots of official releases of Motown material.

[Robbk]

3 hours ago, Dave Thorley said:

But Robb, hasn't that got more to do with the fact that Universal keeps taking down lots of official releases of Motown material.

Do you mean that Universal noticed that our first-found version of "Suspicion" was removed from You=Tube, and the newer found version was put on since, and that Universal just hasn't seen that new one yet to remove it?  If individuals see that the new version of "Suspicion" has been uploaded, by several people, why do they continue to upload yet another of that version, and no other individuals upload the "original version".  Clearly Motown doesn't want ANY version on You-Tube, so I assume any unauthorised upload of either version would be illegal.  It's the same with several other songs.  For years we had only the later, horrible re-recordings of The Orioles' "Crying In The Chapel", as opposed to the beautiful 1953 vocal harmony group version without the strings and Platters style big orchestra, and weak vocals, without the "Blow Harmony" style.  My point is that young novice listeners only get to know old great songs by given artists from the inferior version, and get the wrong idea about the quality of the original performance.  In the case of "Suspicion", or "Baby, Hit and Run", all versions are great, and choosing the best is only a matter of taste.  But, it is maddening, nevertheless, that one cannot find the best or favourite version on The Internet.  Songs that old (50+ years) should be available to the public for free, or if NOT, then they should be given to the still-living songwriters, singers and musicians.  The original record company owners and distributors had plenty of time to earn their money. 

[Guest]

I don't know if it was just the way I was feeling, but a lot of the records in Wigan Casino sounded faster than at home!!!LoL.

Edited April 3, 2016 by Guest