Gotsoul Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 I don't see a special place for jazz discussion so I'm just asking.
dean jj Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 Don't see why not. Soul music owes a debt to, and lives in the same world as jazz...and blues.....and gospel....and we used to have a reggae section but I think it died. dean 2
Roburt Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) No thank you, we don't want any talk of Herbie Mann (Memphis Underground) or the Crusaders (after all who did they work with ...apart from Bobby W, Altrina, Randy Crawford, etc), Cannonball Adderley, George Benson (Breezin), Idris Muhammad and their like on here !! As for all that Salsa stuff ........... stuff it. Edited March 11, 2016 by Roburt
Roburt Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 One thing about the jazz world (especially in the US) ..... the fans were / are a lot more loyal. FOR INSTANCE ............ long after Willie Tee stopped getting calls to perform his old soul numbers (except from the UK), he was kept busy working with his brother Earl Turbington on jazz club bookings (& they made some recordings together of a similar nature).
Popular Post Kegsy Posted March 11, 2016 Popular Post Posted March 11, 2016 13 minutes ago, Roburt said: No thank you, we don't want any talk of Herbie Mann (Memphis Underground) or the Crusaders (after all who did they work with ...apart from Bobby W, Altrina, Randy Crawford, etc), Cannonball Adderley, George Benson (Breezin), Adris Muhammad and their like on here !! As for all that Salsa stuff ........... stuff it. I much prefer the stuff his brother Idris did. 4
Sjclement Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 Most of the Funk Brothers moonlighted in the jazz clubs a lot of the improvisations in their music came from there. 1
Kegsy Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, sjclement said: Most of the Funk Brothers moonlighted in the jazz clubs a lot of the improvisations in their music came from there. I would have thought that a large percentage of the studio musicians, on most of the labels releasing soul stuff, were actually jazz musicians first and foremost, not just the Motown stable. Its always been obvious to me that the "Motown" sound owes much to big band jazz. Edited March 11, 2016 by Kegsy 3
moogaloo Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 There is of course the jazz / soul crossover stuff like Marlena Shaw, Clea Bradfrod, Nina Simone, Terry Callier etc. Or the odd track that crosses over from people such as Ella Fitzgerald Buddy Rich. 1
Billy Jo Jim Bob Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 Jazz Club.......mmmm Nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCymAH6r2Tc&list=PLaZXgWqYgoC9zn9ICkw_FGx0fWEIhMf5d&index=2
Roburt Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 36 minutes ago, Kegsy said: I much prefer the stuff his brother Idris did. Look, ain't seem our kid for ages, so I make mistakes AND ain't got no help from him or Willie Hutch .... otherwise Mart cuda been a Brother whos Gonna Work It Out before you get to add your silly comment. BTW seen Keith's sad news on Facebook :-(
Stateside Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 Would be great if there was a separate section for jazz/jazz fusion. I have to confess I don't even differentiate between soul music and the likes of Bob James, Ramsey Lewis, Nancy Wilson, David Sanborn, Dave Grusin, Ralph McDonald, Morrisey Mullen, Richard Tee, Bob Baldwin.....the list goes on Kev
Winsford Soul Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 Why not. They talk about R n B, popcorn stuff etc Steve
Robbk Posted March 12, 2016 Posted March 12, 2016 13 hours ago, Kegsy said: I would have thought that a large percentage of the studio musicians, on most of the labels releasing soul stuff, were actually jazz musicians first and foremost, not just the Motown stable. Its always been obvious to me that the "Motown" sound owes much to big band jazz. This is definitely true. Pianists/arrangers Joe Hunter, Johnny Allen, Gil Askey were all Jazz musicians, as were ALL of Joe Hunter's band (including Mike Terry, James Jamerson, drummers Benny Benjamin, Uriel Jones and Pistol Allen, Robert White, Joe Messina, sax man Beans Bowles, guitarist Don Davis (Don Davis Trio). trombonist Herbie Williams, etc. Earl Van Dyke and Popcorn Wylie were Jazz pianists before Motown. I would say that MOST Motown session players played Jazz. Those few who didn't (Gordon Staples-Motown Strings) played Classical music.
Roburt Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 There's jazz & then there's jaaaazzzzzz .... the supper club type ..... I don't like all types of jazz but I do like everything on the funky end of the genre .... ........... like this for instance ............. AND this lady just about always stuck to straight unadulterated mainstream jazz ..... AND ... got lots of club gigs coz of that ..... 1
Westender Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 Really enjoy the jazz-soul from the 60's. People like Jimmy McGriff, Richard Groove Holmes, Fats Theus, Hank Crawford, Leon Spencer, Boogaloo Joe Jones and Reuben Wilson are top notch. Not too sure about jazz-funk, which got terribly bland as the 70's wore on. 1
Geeselad Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 the term 'soul' in a musical context was first aspplied to jazz anyway wasnt it? started a thread on here a while back about jazzy soul a while back, will see if i can dig it up and link.
Amsterdam Russ Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 Coltrane does it for me - although not anywhere near as keen on his more free-form/experimental works. Just love this interpretation of Mongo Santamaria's Afro Blue from the series Jazz Casual. This whole episode featuring the classic John Coltrane Quartet is fantastic!
Amsterdam Russ Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 Absolutely love this from British jazz musician, John Surman - 10 minutes of jazz dance pleasure! Well, wish I could dance to this sort of stuff in the style of the jazz dancers who thrived on the London scene in the 80s and 90s!
Addio Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) mmmmmmmmm........(very) nice Edited March 14, 2016 by Addio 3
Amsterdam Russ Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 ^^^ IMHO, I wouldn't call that "jazz" in the slightest. It's a great fusion of styles that includes elements of jazz, but it's not jazz. Far from it in my book. And I say that as someone who likes Jon Lucien very much.
Davenpete Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) The forum is called SOUL Source - sorry but there's quite enough effing jazz and jazz forums around - it's not like its not well served on the net, I KNOW there's a lot of crossover, but (having been force fed it by my father) full-on jazz leaves me absolutely cold. Personally I think it's pretentious twaddle (and when you get into free-form stuff I simply won't accept any argument suggesting it's anything other than self-impressed masturbatory shite) and I for one don't want to put up with chin rubbing discussions about Coltrane, Bird, Oscar Peterson or even the Crusaders. Dx Edited March 14, 2016 by DaveNPete 2
Addio Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, Russell Gilbert said: ^^^ IMHO, I wouldn't call that "jazz" in the slightest. It's a great fusion of styles that includes elements of jazz, but it's not jazz. Far from it in my book. And I say that as someone who likes Jon Lucien very much. "Jazzy" ? 1
Amsterdam Russ Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 14 minutes ago, Addio said: "Jazzy" ? That's a good way of describing it.
Roburt Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 I just luv me some jazz keyboards ...... Ramsey was good .... but he wern't the only one ..........
Roburt Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 A bit of live jazz from Marcus Miller .......... a Motown original it ain't ..........
Stateside Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 Just wondered what people's opinion was on this. It appears to be Jimmy Wisner and has a bit of a "Wade in the water" feel about it. Still jazz in my book. Kev
Roburt Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) The above IS Jimmy Wisner, back in his Buffalo days. It was his record label too. Another from him (but the vocals on this make it a lot more MOR) ......... Edited March 14, 2016 by Roburt
Roburt Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 This uns a lot more like it (guess that's him on piano) ......
Amsterdam Russ Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 And now back to jazz… Fontella Bass and her husband's (Lester Bowie) jazz group, The Art Ensemble of Chicago, performing Theme de Yoyo.
Gotsoul Posted March 14, 2016 Author Posted March 14, 2016 1 hour ago, stateside said: Just wondered what people's opinion was on this. It appears to be Jimmy Wisner and has a bit of a "Wade in the water" feel about it. Still jazz in my book. Kev Sounds like jazz to me.
Gogger Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 On 10/03/2016 at 22:07, Gotsoul said: I don't see a special place for jazz discussion so I'm just asking. looks like there is now
Algsoul Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 https://youtu.be/yyTCktR8Ebo?list=PLs80q_9HHggytbO_3vLe5a_-dG43wrJEj Brenda Boykin - Hard Swing Travellin' Man fro a few years back https://youtu.be/bFJeGjcWL0A?list=PL2PJ1AUKL_HMVleS_f-aRyQd3Y3h-rBVT Chicho Hamilton The Strut early 80ts ??
Sjclement Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 5 hours ago, Russell Gilbert said: ^^^ IMHO, I wouldn't call that "jazz" in the slightest. It's a great fusion of styles that includes elements of jazz, but it's not jazz. Far from it in my book. And I say that as someone who likes Jon Lucien very much. Rare Groove then?
Guest Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) No. It's "all about the Soul" Edited March 14, 2016 by Guest
Stateside Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) I first heard this on Richard Searling's radio show and ended up writing in to the show because he didn't announce who it was. It just blew me away, fantastic vocals....my kind of jazz, but so soulful..Nice. I bought the album on Esoteric Records............ Anyone got any background on her? Kev Edited March 14, 2016 by stateside
Amsterdam Russ Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 1 hour ago, sjclement said: Rare Groove then? Nah, in my book rare groove is a scene, not a genre. That said, so much music defies being labelled – usually when it's infused with different styles and cultural flavours, which is exactly the case with Jon Lucien's stuff. 1
Roburt Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) 11 minutes ago, stateside said: I first heard this on Richard Searling's radio show and ended up writing in to the show because he didn't announce who it was. It just blew me away, fantastic vocals....my kind of jazz, but so soulful..Nice. I bought the album on Esoteric Records............ Anyone got any background on her? Kev ......... AND ... you could pick up copies of the album in the UK back then for pence (Yanks, Mancaster I think). An 'Andy Whitmore' discovery if I'm not mistaken. Seem to recall Andy doing an article on Leslie in a soul fanzine back then. Edited March 14, 2016 by Roburt 1
Roburt Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 More about Leslie Drayton here. HE has played on stuff with E,W&F, Jnr Walker, New Birth, Marvin Gaye & more ............... https://draytonmusic.com/
Roburt Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 AND one that's a bit more mainstream jazz .................. Yet anuva gudy from im ........... 1
Sjclement Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 7 hours ago, Russell Gilbert said: Barbara Morrison here 1
Roburt Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 Johnny Otis had some great people work with him down the years (though most weren't jazzy).
Gotsoul Posted March 14, 2016 Author Posted March 14, 2016 I've always been a fan of the great-Wes Montgomery, maybe the best jazz guitarist ever whose idol was-Charlie Christian.
nickp Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 23 hours ago, Russell Gilbert said: Absolutely love this from British jazz musician, John Surman - 10 minutes of jazz dance pleasure! Well, wish I could dance to this sort of stuff in the style of the jazz dancers who thrived on the London scene in the 80s and 90s! A total classic which goes mental half way through. 1
Phil Shields Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) Love some 50ts/60ts Jazz Sonny Rollins Way out West onComtemporay John Coltranes Classic take My Favourite Things on Atlantic and anything by Charles Mingus just brilliant Edited March 15, 2016 by phil shields
Roburt Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 Another UK offering .......... BUT this is pure jazz funk ........ with great vocals from Carol Kenyon ......... ... the guys started off (on their jazzy route) across in NY with the likes of Herbie Mann (not bad credentials) ....
Roburt Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) Early Morrisey Mullen, cut in the US with the AWB ..... 1977 ....... "Burst Fender" .......... ...... back in those days they were working with the likes of LVDross, Cissy Houston, Beverly Ingram, Arnold McCuller, David Laslee, etc .... not a bad bunch .... Edited March 15, 2016 by Roburt
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