Don Thomas

[Ted Massey]

I see theres one on Manships at the moment £140+ was this booted and if so how can you tell the difference

[Chalky]

originals pink or white demos as on JM auction. boot mauve or blue.

[Guest]

originals pink or white demos as on JM auction. boot mauve or blue.

blue copy is a company repress using the same master plates, so really not a bootleg but a 2nd. issue. Value £20 / £25

[mischief]

blue copy is a company repress using the same master plates, so really not a bootleg but a 2nd. issue. Value £20 / £25

Whats a issue go for these days?

(thanks)

Edited September 30, 2006 by mischief

[Guest]

Whats a issue go for these days?

(thanks)

First press Pink copy would certainly sell easily @ £100 if we had acopy to list..Promo seems to be the variation everybody would prefer to own, though.

[Ted Massey]

Thanks lads can play it now wont play boots

[mischief]

First press Pink copy would certainly sell easily @ £100 if we had acopy to list..Promo seems to be the variation everybody would prefer to own, though.

Agree i'd like a promo, but just wondered the going rate for the issue, good luck with the sale

[Sweeney]

First press Pink copy would certainly sell easily @ £100 if we had acopy to list..Promo seems to be the variation everybody would prefer to own, though.

As a matter of interest, John (or anyone else) – is the promo more readily available than the issue? I've personally seen more demos than issues for sale down the years.

Edited October 8, 2006 by sweeney

[Chalky]

First press Pink copy would certainly sell easily @ £100 if we had acopy to list..Promo seems to be the variation everybody would prefer to own, though.

I listed one for Andy back in April for £100.

[Guest Roccia]

Whats a issue go for these days?

(thanks)

Paul,

paid 75 for an issue from Sean last year, and a friend of mine paid it about 25 quid on Ebay...

Roccia

[Russoul1]

hi all, i have a demo which i aquired a while back for £20 up to recently had never

seen another,was out saturday at a soulnight a dj played what looked like a demo

and said it was from 1974? i thought that it was issued around 69/70?

another demo which upto recently havnt seen very often, and as the don thomas demo

has sold or being sold on a dealers auction for in excess of £100, vibrating vibrations - suprise party for baby - neptune. are they really that hard to find?

russ

[mischief]

Paul,

paid 75 for an issue from Sean last year, and a friend of mine paid it about 25 quid on Ebay...

Roccia

Hi ya Roccia

I was just wondering..

I have an issue bought it 2 years ago off Moldie for £30 I think, then a week later bought "No one could love you more" of him for £40

he still keeps moaning about it

goood luck

Paul

[Guest martyn]

hi all, i have a demo which i aquired a while back for £20 up to recently had never

seen another,was out saturday at a soulnight a dj played what looked like a demo

and said it was from 1974? i thought that it was issued around 69/70?

another demo which upto recently havnt seen very often, and as the don thomas demo

has sold or being sold on a dealers auction for in excess of £100, vibrating vibrations - suprise party for baby - neptune. are they really that hard to find?

russ

I'm pretty sure it was booted as a white demo on vinyl.I bought one for a palltry amount in 1981 at one of the last Wigan's.It was the original recording (not the DJM one) but was pretty poor sound quallity & jumped a couple of times-it even smelt new (if you know what I mean ).Not sure if I still have it,I will look later to give run out groove details.

[Rudzy]

Also watch out for a sharp cheap vinyl presing on a Mauve label

70's i think

rudzi

[Guest]

Two questions for the panel...does anyone know the story behind NUVJ....was it part of the original VJ label which had closed down ? Were there other releases on the label? Is it my imagination or are there two different mixes, one with plucked strings...or is that the instrumental I'm thinking of?

Hang on thats three questions...

[Guest martyn]

Backing up my earlier post that there is a white demo boot,the one I'm holding now has a very sharp edge,hardly any run out(aprox 5mm with 2 turns) & a tiny,barely legible sratched 1-CS-3205-A.It also has a ridge between the run out & the label

I would post a scan,but its past my daughters bedtime

Can someone compare this to a definate original-I'm convinced its a boot

Thanks

Martyn

Edited October 3, 2006 by martyn

[Simon T]

Backing up my earlier post that there is a white demo boot,the one I'm holding now has a very sharp edge,hardly any run out(aprox 5mm with 2 turns) & a tiny,barely legible sratched 1-CS-3205-A.It also has a ridge between the run out & the label

I would post a scan,but its past my daughters bedtime

Can someone compare this to a definate original-I'm convinced its a boot

Thanks

Martyn

I have that one too. Bought ages ago for £3 so always assumed it was a boot. Looking at the 'style' of the vinyl and label it's very similar to releases of the mid 70's e.g. Marvin Holmes - You Better Keep Her from '74

[Paul R]

My issue went on ebay last week for £31. Perhaps because I didn't say it was Mint- or ex+ or something

Paul

Edited October 3, 2006 by Paul r

[Guest martyn]

I have that one too. Bought ages ago for £3 so always assumed it was a boot. Looking at the 'style' of the vinyl and label it's very similar to releases of the mid 70's e.g. Marvin Holmes - You Better Keep Her from '74

I didnt realise Marvin Holmes was on vinyl,mines styrene-Iv never seen a demo though,white or otherwise.Do you have one?

[Jason S]

I didnt realise Marvin Holmes was on vinyl,mines styrene-Iv never seen a demo though,white or otherwise.Do you have one?

Was under the impression that the boots of Marvin are the styrene pressings...sound like boots, anyway.

[Guest martyn]

Was under the impression that the boots of Marvin are the styrene pressings...sound like boots, anyway.

Whoops.........I see another thread brewing,I never thought it rare enough to be booted

[Guest Gavin Page]

Whoops.........I see another thread brewing,I never thought it rare enough to be booted

I thought it was about making a quick buck out of a popular record opposed to it being rare

[Rudzy]

Backing up my earlier post that there is a white demo boot,the one I'm holding now has a very sharp edge,hardly any run out(aprox 5mm with 2 turns) & a tiny,barely legible sratched 1-CS-3205-A.It also has a ridge between the run out & the label

I would post a scan,but its past my daughters bedtime

Can someone compare this to a definate original-I'm convinced its a boot

Thanks

Martyn

Martyn,

the best way to check this is to see if the label is a glossy shiny one - if that is the case then these are originals.

There was a batch of these surfaced in the early 90's and to my knowledge them ist originals.

how old are your daughters

[Ted Massey]

This is the reply i had from John Manship

"the Don Thomas White promo has never been booted The original vinyl is BEVELLED on the run-in which could give the impression that it's a boot. But remember it is an early 70s recording."

think i will bow to Johns knowledge

[Guest]

Whoops.........I see another thread brewing,I never thought it rare enough to be booted

There are no bootlegs of Marvin Holmes. Vinyl press is Oakland, Ca. Styrene press is Monach, Los Angeles. Vinyl would be the very first because Marvin is an Oakland guy. But the styrene press was I think about the same time. Styrene always without question sounds worse than the vinyl alternative.

Bob Catteneo sent BOTH formats to the UK as new trelease circa 1975. The delta# on the styrene copy matches 1974...

[Pete S]

Two questions for the panel...does anyone know the story behind NUVJ....was it part of the original VJ label which had closed down ? Were there other releases on the label? Is it my imagination or are there two different mixes, one with plucked strings...or is that the instrumental I'm thinking of?

Hang on thats three questions...

The Fidels - try A Little Harder was on NUVJ with an instrumental version on the b side.

Don Thomas should be maybe £50 tops for an issue and £80 for a demo. Well that's what I think they are worth and that's what I would sell them to you for.

[Guest Gavin Page]

There are no bootlegs of Marvin Holmes. Vinyl press is Oakland, Ca. Styrene press is Monach, Los Angeles. Vinyl would be the very first because Marvin is an Oakland guy. But the styrene press was I think about the same time. Styrene always without question sounds worse than the vinyl alternative.

Bob Catteneo sent BOTH formats to the UK as new trelease circa 1975. The delta# on the styrene copy matches 1974...

And the Album ! Issued in the mid 80s

[Pete S]

My issue went on ebay last week for £31. Perhaps because I didn't say it was Mint- or ex+ or something

Paul

Or because that's all it's worth Paul, why are people hyping up the prices on these common records, someone tell me???

[Steve Plumb]

And the Album ! Issued in the mid 80s

That was an 80's reissue of one of his two rare LP's Gav

Cheers

Steve

[Guest Gavin Page]

That was an 80's reissue of one of his two rare LP's Gav

Cheers

Steve

That was a question not a statment hit the wrong symbol ! not ? Thanks Steve

[Guest martyn]

Martyn,

the best way to check this is to see if the label is a glossy shiny one - if that is the case then these are originals.

There was a batch of these surfaced in the early 90's and to my knowledge them ist originals.

how old are your daughters

Cheers Rudzi-glossy label

My daughter is 14 going on 21 anyone would think its OK for kids to stay out all hours these days

[Guest martyn]

This is the reply i had from John Manship

"the Don Thomas White promo has never been booted The original vinyl is BEVELLED on the run-in which could give the impression that it's a boot. But remember it is an early 70s recording."

think i will bow to Johns knowledge

In that case I will join you & move Mr Thomas to the appropriate box .........It was the manner I picked it up cheaply & the look that had me convinced it was a boot

Cheers

[Guest martyn]

There are no bootlegs of Marvin Holmes. Vinyl press is Oakland, Ca. Styrene press is Monach, Los Angeles. Vinyl would be the very first because Marvin is an Oakland guy. But the styrene press was I think about the same time. Styrene always without question sounds worse than the vinyl alternative.

Bob Catteneo sent BOTH formats to the UK as new trelease circa 1975. The delta# on the styrene copy matches 1974...

Cheers John-Have you come across many Demo's ?

[Guest]

I got the initial copies of Marvin Holmes from Bob in San Francisco...we played it first at a Burntwood Baths all-dayer. Colin Curtis went mad when he heard it.. Bob must have sent me 100's of copies over a 9 months period.,

Got a funny story about Don Thomas W/DJ. When DJM re-issued "Don Thomas"I was working for Echoes and visited the DJM A&R man Dave Yates. To my amazement he had a WDJ copy which he was happy to give to me , I don't think any had been seen up to that point.

I was as proud as punch ...then one Saturday night before a Ritz all-dayer got my records out, had a few glasses of wine...and broke the only WDJ in the UK.Gutted.

Fast forward to 1979/80 and I licenced "Come On Train" for Inferno,via the the NUVJ office in LA.

I rang the office to check they had got my bank draft and the guy there was totally made up that he had been paid for an old master.we got chatting and of course I asked if he had any of the original release, stressing I didn't mean the NUVJ blue label thingy..

He came back and said he had, but "unfortunately" they were radio promo copies that had never been sent out.

I asked if I could buy them and he said no. you've paid the advance for the licence,I will send them to you for free, we're not going to do anything with them except eventually throw them away. I thought he must be confused about the quantity he mentiond and what they were....- some weeks later in the post.......... 400 WHITE DEMOS!

Happy days.

Neil