macca Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 I saw a radio playlist from that guy in Leeds saying this was on Pameline. I remember it being released on Grapevine in the 70's. Is it as rare as Stanley Mitchell on Dynamo? Stanley, along with Sam Ward, are two of my fave all time records & unfortunately, out of my price range. When Tony Hestor began picking up plays (around 1977?) I remember thinking 'what's this shite?', but the record quickly grew on me. I still think The Detroit Executives is better than The Ideals. Popcorn certainly knew how to cut the cod back then, didn't he? I often wonder who he was aiming his stuff at though.
Guest Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 I saw a radio playlist from that guy in Leeds saying this was on Pameline. I remember it being released on Grapevine in the 70's. Is it as rare as Stanley Mitchell on Dynamo? Stanley, along with Sam Ward, are two of my fave all time records & unfortunately, out of my price range. When Tony Hestor began picking up plays (around 1977?) I remember thinking 'what's this shite?', but the record quickly grew on me. I still think The Detroit Executives is better than The Ideals. Popcorn certainly knew how to cut the cod back then, didn't he? I often wonder who he was aiming his stuff at though. It was never issued on Pameline, always been an acetate cut off the Popcorn Wylie studio master tapes..
macca Posted September 30, 2006 Author Posted September 30, 2006 thanks john. so the only legal issue was on grapevine then? did betty boo come from the same masters? macca
Pete S Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 It didn't come out on a Grapevine single, only on the first LP. As far as I know, the only 7" version is on Goldmine 7's.
Guest Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 thanks john. so the only legal issue was on grapevine then? did betty boo come from the same masters? macca yes, same source
Jumpinjoan Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 I have a tape of Popcorn Wylie live at Manchester International 1986 (i think). I tell you... i have seen Popcorn Wylie on quite a few occaisions... always a top act... but this nite was incredible!! He does everything... Down in the Dumps... Sweet Darlin... I'm saving my lovin... If it's all the same to you... Cool Off... but when he does Hanky Panky... woooh .. completely blows you away! He's dead talkative too.. telling you when he wrote and recorded stuff... talks about Tony Hester.. it's great.... one of my most treasured tapes ever. Can put it on cd if anyone would like one...(as long as i'm not comitting some major crime in doing so)... just let me know
Chalky Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 (edited) I have a tape of Popcorn Wylie live at Manchester International 1986 (i think). I tell you... i have seen Popcorn Wylie on quite a few occaisions... always a top act... but this nite was incredible!! He does everything... Down in the Dumps... Sweet Darlin... I'm saving my lovin... If it's all the same to you... Cool Off... but when he does Hanky Panky... woooh .. completely blows you away! He's dead talkative too.. telling you when he wrote and recorded stuff... talks about Tony Hester.. it's great.... one of my most treasured tapes ever. Can put it on cd if anyone would like one...(as long as i'm not comitting some major crime in doing so)... just let me know I was there that night Joan, would love a copy of cd. Top night. I've photo of him and another of Snake Davis from Dustable gig on wall. Edited September 30, 2006 by chalky
45cellar Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 I have a tape of Popcorn Wylie live at Manchester International 1986 (i think). I tell you... i have seen Popcorn Wylie on quite a few occaisions... always a top act... but this nite was incredible!! He does everything... Down in the Dumps... Sweet Darlin... I'm saving my lovin... If it's all the same to you... Cool Off... but when he does Hanky Panky... woooh .. completely blows you away! He's dead talkative too.. telling you when he wrote and recorded stuff... talks about Tony Hester.. it's great.... one of my most treasured tapes ever. Can put it on cd if anyone would like one...(as long as i'm not comitting some major crime in doing so)... just let me know Hi Joan I'd like a copy if possible.
Quinvy Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 I have a tape of Popcorn Wylie live at Manchester International 1986 (i think). I tell you... i have seen Popcorn Wylie on quite a few occaisions... always a top act... but this nite was incredible!! He does everything... Down in the Dumps... Sweet Darlin... I'm saving my lovin... If it's all the same to you... Cool Off... but when he does Hanky Panky... woooh .. completely blows you away! He's dead talkative too.. telling you when he wrote and recorded stuff... talks about Tony Hester.. it's great.... one of my most treasured tapes ever. Can put it on cd if anyone would like one...(as long as i'm not comitting some major crime in doing so)... just let me know Hey Joan, Stuart got an original acetate of down in the dumps off Dickie a while back, played it at Burnley a couple of months ago. Sounded brilliant.
Jumpinjoan Posted October 1, 2006 Posted October 1, 2006 I was there that night Joan, would love a copy of cd. Top night. I've photo of him and another of Snake Davis from Dustable gig on wall. Yeah saw him at Dunstable too... but that night at Manchester was just incredible. It was just really 'personal'... if you know what i mean... you'll know what i mean Chalky... hard to put into words. The bit during Cool Off where he says... "by the way... does anybody over there.. have a drink of ... pop?"... can still see John Hodge running up to the stage in his sheepie to give him a can of coke! Just brill! Will be happy to do copies for anyone who would like one... just pm me where you would like it sending and i will get them off asap
Chalky Posted October 1, 2006 Posted October 1, 2006 Yeah saw him at Dunstable too... but that night at Manchester was just incredible. It was just really 'personal'... if you know what i mean... you'll know what i mean Chalky... hard to put into words. The bit during Cool Off where he says... "by the way... does anybody over there.. have a drink of ... pop?"... can still see John Hodge running up to the stage in his sheepie to give him a can of coke! Just brill! Will be happy to do copies for anyone who would like one... just pm me where you would like it sending and i will get them off asap Know what you mean, top night. If I remember rightly they switched venues at last minute, or am I imagining things
Guest Posted October 1, 2006 Posted October 1, 2006 jumping joan.. popcorn wylie cd.. yes please.. bless jc the messiah of northern soul
macca Posted October 1, 2006 Author Posted October 1, 2006 we can start a vine. you know, the owner of the original sends it to the first on the list, he/she then sends it to the next in line & so on & so on. a simple & efficient way of circulating a cd. it would read something like this:- 00 - joan (email) 01 - chalky (email) 02 - 45seller (email) 03 - jctom (email) 04 - macca (ajmac@mundo-r.com) 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 -
Guest Posted October 1, 2006 Posted October 1, 2006 macca.. i dont have a cd recorder mate.. so i couldnt pass one on.. bless jc the messiah of northern soul
Jumpinjoan Posted October 4, 2006 Posted October 4, 2006 Posted cd's this morning to all who sent me their addresses...
Marc Forrest Posted October 4, 2006 Posted October 4, 2006 (edited) Hey Joan, Stuart got an original acetate of down in the dumps off Dickie a while back, played it at Burnley a couple of months ago. Sounded brilliant. Last time I heard that played out was when Keb Darge played it in Hamburg last year. So there seem to be two acetates then. For your home entertainment I strongly recommend the old Inferno Detroit A Go Go compilation...although cut (mainly?) off bootlegs this great compilation brings them all to you (incl. Down In The Dumps). Marc Edited October 4, 2006 by Marc Forrest
Pete S Posted October 4, 2006 Posted October 4, 2006 Last time I heard that played out was when Keb Darge played it in Hamburg last year. So there seem to be two acetates then. For your home entertainment I strongly recommend the old Inferno Detroit A Go Go compilation...although cut (mainly?) off bootlegs this great compilation brings them all to you (incl. Down In The Dumps). Marc I don't know what makes you say they were cut from bootlegs. The scans on the front look real enough. Plus they also had access to unreleased stuff, one of which is on there (the Soul Hawks) and a couple which came out on a single (Erik & The Vikings/Detroit Strings). You're right about the lp though, absolutely fantastic, couple that with the stuff that came out on Grapevine (first LP) you'd have a tremendous compilation. I'll start work on it now.
jocko Posted October 4, 2006 Posted October 4, 2006 Last time I heard that played out was when Keb Darge played it in Hamburg last year. So there seem to be two acetates then. For your home entertainment I strongly recommend the old Inferno Detroit A Go Go compilation...although cut (mainly?) off bootlegs this great compilation brings them all to you (incl. Down In The Dumps). Marc I am confused, my understanding which seems to be confirmed by John above they were cut direct from tape! Do you mean original Grapevine acetate or original EMI disc ??
Guest Budgie Posted October 4, 2006 Posted October 4, 2006 Richard played them for some months before Soul Bowl issued them on their 1st LP,Talk of the Grapevine. Track listing from New Soul time 6. Gene Woodbury-Ever Again-Issued Del-Val Detroit Executives-Cool Off-Issued Pameline Eula Cooper-Beggers Can't Be Choosers-Issued Note Betty Boo-Spellbound-Unissued Milton Wright-The Gallop-Issued Carla Milton Wright-I Belong To You-Issued Satiron (via Soul Bowl) Popcorn Wylie-Rosemary voc & inst-issued Karen Sidney Thomas-let's Make Love-Issued Parallel Eula Cooper-Standing By Love-Issued Note Betty Boo-Stop That Boy-Unissued Tony Hestor-Down In The Dumps-Unissued Popcorn Wylie-Hanky Panky-Unissued Eula Cooper-Let Our Love Grow Higher-Issued Super Sound Soul Twins-Quick Change Artist-Issued Karen Tony Hestor-Space Land-Unissued Capitols -Cool Jerk 68-Issued Karen. Overall sound quality was pretty poor.interesting note from 1978 "recommended price is £3.99 and some poeple have payed £100 for Gene Woodbury." (The original write up had a lot more inverted commas as anyone who remembers N.S.T.will know.) All the best Pete.
Marc Forrest Posted October 5, 2006 Posted October 5, 2006 I am confused, my understanding which seems to be confirmed by John above they were cut direct from tape! Do you mean original Grapevine acetate or original EMI disc ?? There was one original Detroit acetate supposed to exist. Marc I don't know what makes you say they were cut from bootlegs. The scans on the front look real enough. Hi Pete, Sam Ward and Ideals scans were taken from bootlegs.
Pete S Posted October 5, 2006 Posted October 5, 2006 There was one original Detroit acetate supposed to exist. Marc Hi Pete, Sam Ward and Ideals scans were taken from bootlegs. Sam Ward is but the Ideals was never bootlegged...
Guest FYLDECOAST Posted October 5, 2006 Posted October 5, 2006 Richard played them for some months before Soul Bowl issued them on their 1st LP,Talk of the Grapevine. Track listing from New Soul time 6. Gene Woodbury-Ever Again-Issued Del-Val Detroit Executives-Cool Off-Issued Pameline Eula Cooper-Beggers Can't Be Choosers-Issued Note Betty Boo-Spellbound-Unissued Milton Wright-The Gallop-Issued Carla Milton Wright-I Belong To You-Issued Satiron (via Soul Bowl) Popcorn Wylie-Rosemary voc & inst-issued Karen Sidney Thomas-let's Make Love-Issued Parallel Eula Cooper-Standing By Love-Issued Note Betty Boo-Stop That Boy-Unissued Tony Hestor-Down In The Dumps-Unissued Popcorn Wylie-Hanky Panky-Unissued Eula Cooper-Let Our Love Grow Higher-Issued Super Sound Soul Twins-Quick Change Artist-Issued Karen Tony Hestor-Space Land-Unissued Capitols -Cool Jerk 68-Issued Karen. Overall sound quality was pretty poor.interesting note from 1978 "recommended price is £3.99 and some poeple have payed £100 for Gene Woodbury." (The original write up had a lot more inverted commas as anyone who remembers N.S.T.will know.) All the best Pete. Sidney Thomas - Look , Lets make Love - Parallel In my top 10 70's tracks , Play it at Lytham regularly Anyone heard it at a venue lately ? Steve Mc
Guest Posted October 5, 2006 Posted October 5, 2006 The Inferno album was licenced from Richard and mastered from a variety of sources. The Kool Kat 12"/7" were each 100% mastered from the original tapes...reels and reels of them.. There were no artist titles so I thought it would be tongue in cheek to credit "In The Pocket" as The Detroit Strings.. even though as Pete Smith has rightly pointed out there are no strings on it. Richard is a wonderful guy. I did a big interview with him in Echoes at the time of he Inferno album being released and can remember him DJ'ing at Nuneaton at a gig which I think was a sort of launch party for the album. In Detroit once he took me to his old mate Casablanca who used to be the the radio promotion guy for Ric-Tic. He had some great strories to tell about the 60's and the strokes they pulled to get their records on the radio! Neil
Guest Gavin Page Posted October 5, 2006 Posted October 5, 2006 The Inferno album was licenced from Richard and mastered from a variety of sources. The Kool Kat 12"/7" were each 100% mastered from the original tapes...reels and reels of them.. There were no artist titles so I thought it would be tongue in cheek to credit "In The Pocket" as The Detroit Strings.. even though as Pete Smith has rightly pointed out there are no strings on it. Richard is a wonderful guy. I did a big interview with him in Echoes at the time of he Inferno album being released and can remember him DJ'ing at Nuneaton at a gig which I think was a sort of launch party for the album. In Detroit once he took me to his old mate Casablanca who used to be the the radio promotion guy for Ric-Tic. He had some great strories to tell about the 60's and the strokes they pulled to get their records on the radio! Neil Thought that would wake you up mate !
Ady Potts Posted October 5, 2006 Posted October 5, 2006 There is an original 60's 7" acetate of "Down In The Dumps". It's also a different cut & longer. Someone I know was at Popcorns place in the early 90's, & it was given to him with other acetates. On his return to the U.K. he sold it on, It then disappears for a number of years, & re surfaced about 3 or 4 years ago.
Guest Posted October 5, 2006 Posted October 5, 2006 There was one original Detroit acetate supposed to exist. Marc "There was one original Detroit acetate supposed to exist" marc, I think one does as well, cause we just received it in the post, gotta check everything out..but it seems to be adifferent take. It'll be on auction next Thurday to hear and view... john
Dave Rimmer Posted October 5, 2006 Posted October 5, 2006 Posted cd's this morning to all who sent me their addresses... And the postman has been working hard because mine arrived this morning. Thanks Joan.
45cellar Posted October 6, 2006 Posted October 6, 2006 Posted cd's this morning to all who sent me their addresses... Hi Joan Thanks, CD arrived yesterday and It's brilliant, I'm in your debt. Only had chance to listen to half of It as I was working last night. Looking forward to listening to It in full later today, Thanks again.
Jumpinjoan Posted October 6, 2006 Posted October 6, 2006 Just glad you enjoyed it... Hanky Panky... incredible or what?
Guest martyn Posted October 6, 2006 Posted October 6, 2006 Sidney Thomas - Look , Lets make Love - Parallel In my top 10 70's tracks , Play it at Lytham regularly Anyone heard it at a venue lately ? Steve Mc Agreed,one of the best 70s oldies ever ......played it to a mate a couple of months back who still (unlike myself) goes to a venue every weekend in some corner of the country-he'd never heard it before
Chalky Posted October 6, 2006 Posted October 6, 2006 Just glad you enjoyed it... Hanky Panky... incredible or what? Got mine today Joan, many thanks, owe you one Not listened yet, will listen whilst driving to York little later
Chalky Posted October 6, 2006 Posted October 6, 2006 (edited) popcorn on stage..... Was just about ot post this when I see Mel already done it, it's the photo on my wall, taken at Dunstable. Mark Bicknell sat at side of stage. I've another of Snake from same show, will scan sometime. Edited October 6, 2006 by chalky
Quinvy Posted October 6, 2006 Posted October 6, 2006 There is an original 60's 7" acetate of "Down In The Dumps". It's also a different cut & longer. Someone I know was at Popcorns place in the early 90's, & it was given to him with other acetates. On his return to the U.K. he sold it on, It then disappears for a number of years, & re surfaced about 3 or 4 years ago. The acetate that Stuart Bennett has came from Richard Watts collection. And it originated from John Anderson. Deffo pucka and sounds fantastic. 7inch. Be interesting to hear the one that John auctions and compare them. Phil.
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