Guest twoflatsup Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 Hi everyone, this is my first post so excuse me if its in the wrong bit or its allready been covered. Only been into the scene and going to 'nighters for 10 years, and only bought CDs up till recently. Allways felt i've been missing out on a big part of the scene, so recently bought a few records and thought that would be that. Wrong ! the ones I've got now seem lonely and want some new mates. Now to the point - Any advice for someone starting out collecting ? I wont be doing the big money stuff, I know what I like and can afford ! At a nighter is it normal / acceptable to haggle over prices with a (record) dealer ? Is it acceptable to offer records in part ex or to knock the price down ? If a record in a box is not priced, does this mean its "big money", sold or not for sale ? Does anyone out there collect bootlegs ? (I know some of these are quite big money now) All advice gladly accepted (from collectors and dealers) to avoid making a world class tit of myself at next nighter, sorry if its bored you, if not theres plenty more questions to come ! Ctch you on the flip side !
Drew3 Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 Hi everyone, this is my first post so excuse me if its in the wrong bit or its allready been covered. Only been into the scene and going to 'nighters for 10 years, and only bought CDs up till recently. Allways felt i've been missing out on a big part of the scene, so recently bought a few records and thought that would be that. Wrong ! the ones I've got now seem lonely and want some new mates. Now to the point - Any advice for someone starting out collecting ? I wont be doing the big money stuff, I know what I like and can afford ! At a nighter is it normal / acceptable to haggle over prices with a (record) dealer ? Is it acceptable to offer records in part ex or to knock the price down ? If a record in a box is not priced, does this mean its "big money", sold or not for sale ? Does anyone out there collect bootlegs ? (I know some of these are quite big money now) All advice gladly accepted (from collectors and dealers) to avoid making a world class tit of myself at next nighter, sorry if its bored you, if not theres plenty more questions to come ! Ctch you on the flip side ! I'll follow the replies carefully as each day I dream and tell myself I'll start collecting. Hope it goes well for you. KTF. Drew.
Supercorsa Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 All I can suggest is, buy what you like at the price you are willing to pay for it. Other than that sorry but I'm not much use. If you know what tracks you want, make a list, then try getting prices of dealers and ebay, as sometimes can be quite a remarkable price difference between sellers. One last thing, welcome to the asylum, otherwise known as Soul-Source.
pikeys dog Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 At a nighter is it normal / acceptable to haggle over prices with a (record) dealer ? Depends on the person selling the record - dealers like Henry Atkinson probably wouldn't budge an inch - others may knock up to 20% off - but if you don't ask you don't get Is it acceptable to offer records in part ex or to knock the price down ? Only if the dealer/seller is interested in your 45s - most will take trades but it will always go in their favour If a record in a box is not priced, does this mean its "big money", sold or not for sale ? Not necessarily - usually means dealer is too lazy to price it up Does anyone out there collect bootlegs ? (I know some of these are quite big money now) Yes, otherwise they would all be a couple of quid each (their true worth) All advice gladly accepted (from collectors and dealers) to avoid making a world class tit of myself at next nighter, sorry if its bored you, if not theres plenty more questions to come ! Ctch you on the flip side ! Sounds painfull and possibly illegal
Quinvy Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 Hi everyone, this is my first post so excuse me if its in the wrong bit or its allready been covered. Only been into the scene and going to 'nighters for 10 years, and only bought CDs up till recently. Allways felt i've been missing out on a big part of the scene, so recently bought a few records and thought that would be that. Wrong ! the ones I've got now seem lonely and want some new mates. Now to the point - Any advice for someone starting out collecting ? I wont be doing the big money stuff, I know what I like and can afford ! At a nighter is it normal / acceptable to haggle over prices with a (record) dealer ? Is it acceptable to offer records in part ex or to knock the price down ? If a record in a box is not priced, does this mean its "big money", sold or not for sale ? Does anyone out there collect bootlegs ? (I know some of these are quite big money now) All advice gladly accepted (from collectors and dealers) to avoid making a world class tit of myself at next nighter, sorry if its bored you, if not theres plenty more questions to come ! Ctch you on the flip side ! Don't do it mate. You could end up like me. I started with the same ideals but somewhere along the line. It all went mental. Stick to CD's it's far safer..... Don't say I didn't warn you. Welcome to the asylum.
Mak Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 Hi everyone, this is my first post so excuse me if its in the wrong bit or its allready been covered. Only been into the scene and going to 'nighters for 10 years, and only bought CDs up till recently. Allways felt i've been missing out on a big part of the scene, so recently bought a few records and thought that would be that. Wrong ! the ones I've got now seem lonely and want some new mates. Now to the point - Any advice for someone starting out collecting ? I wont be doing the big money stuff, I know what I like and can afford ! At a nighter is it normal / acceptable to haggle over prices with a (record) dealer ? Is it acceptable to offer records in part ex or to knock the price down ? If a record in a box is not priced, does this mean its "big money", sold or not for sale ? Does anyone out there collect bootlegs ? (I know some of these are quite big money now) All advice gladly accepted (from collectors and dealers) to avoid making a world class tit of myself at next nighter, sorry if its bored you, if not theres plenty more questions to come ! Ctch you on the flip side ! Grind the buggers to the floor and get yourself a bargin ..........exept off me of course you will always find my prices fair
Guest Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 as someone said earlier, do your homework - a record is only worth what you are prepared to pay for it always haggle, if the dealer don't drop the price for you, get a pretty girl to ask for the same record...... and PM me your wants list - I've got a box of cheap records that I'm trying to get rid of
mischief Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 keep an eye on the sales section here... been some right bargins lately .. have a look on Keithw's web site he is having a sale at the moment.. (was a seven day sale so best check the date) https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=34754 Why don't you put a wants list in the wants forum and ask people to PM you.. Welcome to soul source...
Guest Ranger Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 Remember, it's all about supply and demand. Quite a few tunes that are readily available have gone for silly money over the last couple of years, simply because a sound has become popular. (Sister James, Integrity?) Buying from a dealer has a lot of advantages (you can see, feel and maybe hear the record) but they're only one source. At the end of the day you're a customer and have to weigh these advantages over other sources that might be cheaper. If you're buying at a venue have a wants list and research the prices before you go. A dealer wants to sell and you want to buy, but if his valuation doesn't match yours, walk away, there's always another copy somewhere else. Unless you're planning to DJ, buy what you like and want, not necessarily what's big at the time. Think about buying albums. OK most people don't find them as sexy as 45s but it's a challenge, researching and tracking them down. You can often own some pretty expensive tunes for a fraction of the price. They a b*gger to carry around though My two Golden Rules. Have an iron will - stick to your budget and wants list. And Never buy anything after more than 3 pints Welcome to SS Kev
Guest 71TRSC Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 If you want to buy singles don't just stick to buying at nighters. Get yourself on mailing lists, JM, Anglo American and Pete Smith are probably the best to start with. Read every list religously, this way you will get familiarised with records and their prices. Buy a price guide or 2 and make sure you don't spend more than 80% of what a record is allegedly worth. Draw up a list of your wants and spend every night and all weekend trawling through ebay. Ignore your family. Stop socialising with your friends. Buy value foods at supermarkets to realise more capital. And most importantly NEVER look at a bank statement.
Guest Trevski Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 (edited) You say you won't be buying pricier items. Cant get my head around this really. I have seen a million times folk with a handfull of tunes at a niter, say four £50 items, and then say "I want so-and-so but I cant/won't afford it, its £200!. If they had £200 to spend, why buy 4 £50 tunes instead of the 1 £200 tune they really wanted! After all, the've spent the same money! If you have say, £200 to spend, buy what you want be it £200 or £20. Don't limit yourself to "I won't buy anything over £50" if you've got £200 in the pocket. You can (usually) pick up the cheaper ones anytime, but that £200 bargain might not be seen again I don't like paying UK prices these days,unless its trades etc, and would rather stick to ebay/US dealers. Just MHO of course Edited September 30, 2006 by Trevski
Guest Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 You say you won't be buying pricier items. Cant get my head around this really. I have seen a million times folk with a handfull of tunes at a niter, say four £50 items, and then say "I want so-and-so but I cant/won't afford it, its £200!. If they had £200 to spend, why buy 4 £50 tunes instead of the 1 £200 tune they really wanted! After all, the've spent the same money! If you have say, £200 to spend, buy what you want be it £200 or £20. Don't limit yourself to "I won't buy anything over £50" if you've got £200 in the pocket. You can (usually) pick up the cheaper ones anytime, but that £200 bargain might not be seen again I don't like paying UK prices these days,unless its trades etc, and would rather stick to ebay/US dealers. Just MHO of course For me personally I would rather own four £50 records that I want rather than one £200 record that I want. I think haggling is acceptable, if I take some records to a do then I'm always happy to argue prices with people. Trades sometimes but depends on what you have that you want to trade. There are loads of top quality cheapies out there to start your collecting off....buy stuff that you like and will play. Browse the sales section on here there are quite often loads of cheap goodies, and don't forget to browse my website as well Adam.
macca Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 come in the water's lovely. I've always likened the record bars of all-nighters to a morrocan souk in reverse. you might like to offer the dealer in question a cup of tea, ask him questions about his family, if he has any attractive sisters, how much he earns from his daytime job (if applicable), if he lives in a flat or a house etc, etc, all this pleasant chit-chat can smooth the way for the moment when you go for the jugular, pitching in a ridiculous offer & waiting earnestly for his/her reaction. he or she could just as easily tell you to f**** off & then promptly warn other sellers that there's a nutter on the loose. it always worked with me though, being able to shave a pound or two off the asking price in the process. seriously speaking, as others have said, get yourself on some mailing lists: pete smith, joe dunlop, rob messer, adey pierce, andy dyson are just a few that I'm signed up to. all offer great records at very fair prices. pat brady & john manship are also great sources, with soundclips, friendly communication & spot-on grading. I find these last two invaluable for searching out stuff previously unknown to me. finally, the financial committment required. my three credit cards are up to the hilt, but I just can't resist. online buying with ebay is also tremendously habit forming, watching the progress of auctions, the sniping, the buzz from winning stuff, the feedback scores etc, etc... this happens to be my 3rd collecting cycle since I got into the music in the mid 70's & I'm enjoying it just as much as I did back then. good hunting!! M
Modernsoulsucks Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 I wouldn't bother about making a "tit" of yourself. I've been collecting years and I do it on a regular basis. It is a constant learning process. My tip is to stick to Mintish originals,never ever buy as an investment,and as to specific query re. unpriced 45s I'd just walk away. Invariably when you ask price they're OTT.Oh, and get on Ebay ROD
Dave Moore Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 Hey Twoflatsup, Welcome to the "dark side". Here's my tips Mate: 1. Buy as many as you can as often as you can. Nothing worse than having 50 records in a box that holds 200. 2. Register your kidney with a South American Organ Donor charity. When you're really on your uppers and that Poets JV Copy in MINT does appear you'll get a fair sized wad of cash for a kidney (You can only pull this trick once though, unfortunately) 3. Never...and I mean NEVER take your records home in the sleeve you bought it in. (inevitably the seller will have scrawled the price all over the sleeve, and your other half will not be conned by your pathetic explanations of how you didn't pay that much) 4. If you smoke, drink, drive a car, live in house, go to football matches, enjoy the odd family holiday, then these activities are to cease and desist immediately. These activities are not conducive to record collecting. In fact they just get in the way. 5. Finally.....Only collect records you really like, enjoy your records and the collecting of 'em. Otherwise it's all a bit pointless innit? Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com www.soulclub.org wwww.deancourtney.com
Guest twoflatsup Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 Hi all, thanks very much for your welcomes and advice, not sure if its the done thing to reply to all posts but here goes - Drew3 - join me on the quest, might be out of our league at the moment but could be me and you bidding on CODs - shes fire in the future ! Supercorsa - Hi to you and thanks for the advice Pikeysdog - Hi to you and thank you for your take on things, bit at the end was meant to read "catch you on the flip side", but yes it does sound painfull ! Quinvy - Top advice , but you know I've got to ignore it for now ! Mak - I am investigating prices, ebay vs dealers is very interisting Kirsty - Will send list if I can work out how, took 2 nights to get first post up ! Mischief - Bit worried people will take p!ss out of my taste if I put list up, but will give it a go Ranger - The 3 pint rule is my new number 1 ! 71 TRSC - Top idea, do they get upset if you don't buy off every list ? Trevski - Good advice from someone who sounds like they know their onions, 200 is big money for me (at the moment), see where your coming from though Soul45er - probably more my bag, will check out your site Macca - 3rd cycle of collecting ? my hat off to you ! doesn't leave much for us newbies though ! modersoulsucks - good to know I wont be the only tit out there ! Serious note, is there an "official" cut off year between classic northern, crossover and modern soul ? Dave moore - I havent even got a box yet ! Will a spleen get me a mint copy of Pyramid - Soul bros inc ? Thanks for all your time and effort, Catch you on the flip side !
Guest twoflatsup Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 Hi to all and thanks for your welcomes and advice, not sure if its normal to reply to all posts but here goes - Drew3- join me on the quest, might be out of our league for now, but could be me and you bidding for CODs - shes fire in the future ! Supercorsa - Hi to you and thanks for the advice Pikeysdog - Hi to you and thanks for your take on it, bit at end was meant to read "catch you on the flip side' but yes, it does sound painfull ! Quinvey - Top advice, but you know i've got to ignore it for now ! Mak - I am looking at prices, ebay vs dealers is very interesting Kirsty - will be in contact if i can get it to work, took 2 nights to get first post up ! Mischief - bit worried folks will take the rise if i post a list, but will give it a go Ranger - your 3 pint rule is now top of my list ! 71 TRSC - will enrole on the lists, will i get blacklisted if i dont buy something of every list ? Trevski - sounds like you know what your doing, 200 is big money for me(at the moment) but who knows what the future holds !!! Soul45er - probably more my bag, will check out your site Macca - 3rd cycle of collecting ? my hat off to you, but does this mean theres nowt left for us newbies ? modernsoulsucks - I'll give it a go, two tits are better than one ?!!!. Serious note, are there "official" cut off years from classic northern to crossover to modern soul (sucks) ? Davemoore - I don't even own a box yet, but will a spleen get me a mint copy of Pyramid - soul bros inc ? Thanks for your time and interest, Catch you on the flip side !
good angel Posted October 1, 2006 Posted October 1, 2006 Her yer All, I got out the the Asylum I sold the lot to very well known Dealer. I just buy CDs,now. you might as well if your only going to play them to yourself and not DJing. And with money I had a very nice holiday over the water. Kind Regards,Kev.
Supercorsa Posted October 1, 2006 Posted October 1, 2006 71 TRSC - Top idea, do they get upset if you don't buy off every list ? They haven't got upset with me yet, or at least they haven't said they have. In all seriousness though, they send the lists by email so it doesn't cost them any extra to send 200 than it would to send 1. Also Sean Chapman now does a list by email. Also getting lists by email when you get to see something that you don't know, you can look up stuff on Soul Club or Manships site for soundclips.
Dave Moore Posted October 1, 2006 Posted October 1, 2006 Her yer All, I just buy CDs,now. you might as well if your only going to play them to yourself and not DJing. Kind Regards,Kev. Good advice though Kev,.....Could all "wannabeDJs" please do the same. The more the merrier! REgards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com www.soulclub.org www.deancourtney.com
Guest 71TRSC Posted October 1, 2006 Posted October 1, 2006 71 TRSC - Top idea, do they get upset if you don't buy off every list ? They dont give a monkeys as long as their lists reach as many people as possible. Once you are on a few you might even find you start receiving unsolicited lists from other dealers. There is an art to buying records so if you are on line at work get your lists sent there so you can respond immediatley. I rang Anglo American about a single last week, 15 minutes after I got the list and it had already gone. Some dealers such as Rob Messer send their lists outside of office hours so get these sent to your home address.
Guest twoflatsup Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 Evening all, any advice on which is the best current price guide ? I see Mr Manship has 2, uk + usa versions, can't be one in pounds and one in dollars so whats the difference ? Which one do you go by ? Why so many questions ?!! All advice greatly appreciated, Catch you on the flip side !
Guest Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 Evening all, any advice on which is the best current price guide ? I see Mr Manship has 2, uk + usa versions, can't be one in pounds and one in dollars so whats the difference ? Which one do you go by ? Why so many questions ?!! All advice greatly appreciated, Catch you on the flip side ! One is for USA released records and the other for UK released records. He's bringing out a new updated one for USA releases in the next month or so, could be worth waiting for the new one before you spend your cash. Adam.
Guest Baz Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 One is for USA released records and the other for UK released records. He's bringing out a new updated one for USA releases in the next month or so, could be worth waiting for the new one before you spend your cash. Adam. Or get hold of the second one and use that as your guide rather than paying over the odds Off topic post, How many dealers do you think will be straight on the case with increased prices when it gets realesed, im not even going to bother with this new guide, seems a waste of time to me.
Modernsoulsucks Posted October 3, 2006 Posted October 3, 2006 modernsoulsucks - I'll give it a go, two tits are better than one ?!!!. Serious note, are there "official" cut off years from classic northern to crossover to modern soul (sucks) ? Well at the risk of making a tit of myself, yes it's 2pm Tuesday March 11 1973. Just buy what you like, not what someone else likes or tells you is "proper" Northern or is the "new" Northern, and after a while you will see what style particularly appeals to you. I find that financial limitations restrict me to a favourite genre. ROD ROD
Guest twoflatsup Posted October 3, 2006 Posted October 3, 2006 soul45er, thanks for answering my contender for this weeks dumbest post (uk / usa price guide question) and i will try to engage my brain before posting in future ! modernsoulsucks, did you suffer some form of trauma @ 2pm tuesday March 11, 1973, which put you off the new fangled modern stuff for life ? Todays questions for dealers and collectors alike - 1) "Mint unplayed" record grading, are you sure ? How does the seller know its never been played ? (unless they've owned it from new !) 2) If bootlegging records is viewed dimly, why is it acceptable to pop the middle out of original records ? Thought both of these things would "reduce" the originals value ? Or have I yet again missed the point ?!!!
Guest Posted October 3, 2006 Posted October 3, 2006 soul45er, thanks for answering my contender for this weeks dumbest post (uk / usa price guide question) and i will try to engage my brain before posting in future ! modernsoulsucks, did you suffer some form of trauma @ 2pm tuesday March 11, 1973, which put you off the new fangled modern stuff for life ? Todays questions for dealers and collectors alike - 1) "Mint unplayed" record grading, are you sure ? How does the seller know its never been played ? (unless they've owned it from new !) 2) If bootlegging records is viewed dimly, why is it acceptable to pop the middle out of original records ? Thought both of these things would "reduce" the originals value ? Or have I yet again missed the point ?!!! 1) Personally I very rarely describe things as mint unplayedbecause yo just can't be sure. Having said that I have piles of 45s that have come from old record shops or closed down distributors etc...they've never been sold to the 'public'. Quite often see these described as 'New old stock'. 2) It's not acceptable! Yes it does reduce the value....used to be done to fit records into jukeboxes or in some cases to make them look like US imports. Adam.
Guest WPaulVanDyk Posted October 4, 2006 Posted October 4, 2006 to start collecting records is bad because once you start you can't stop. despite i don't collect much Northern as i know my dad does i still have a few and compiled a list of tunes i want me and my dad to own however some are very rare and believe would be non existence on a vinyl record. Kirsty i would buy some of your records possibly
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