Same name groups ?

[Robbk]

3 hours ago, George G said:

RE: above comments - Supremes on Ace were from Columbus, OH, amazingly they continued to use the name into the 1970s! There was another non-recorded Supremes from another Ohio city. 

The Originals (Suspension) from Cleveland not related to the Detroit group. A couple former members of the Outsiders were in the group. 

There was also an L.A. instrumental group called The Originals (I believe the were The Champs, moonlighting).

[Robbk]

The Crickets (MGM-early '50s vocal harmony R&B group) (Buddy Holly's late '50s early '60s group), Tempos (Det. Soul group-Riley's/Diamond Jim), (late '50s East Coast White Doo Wop Group), Jewels (early '50s L.A. R&B group)('60s Girls Wash.  DC Soul Group)  ('60s N.Y. Girls Soul Group), Ascots-(Mir-A-Don/M.B.S. D.C. group) (Huey Meaux Texas group), Individuals ('50s R&B group (Showtime) (60s Soul group), Arcades ('50s East Coast Harmony group) (late '50s early '60s R&B/Soul group), The Four Seasons (Frankie Valli group) (Pittsburgh group (Alanna), Dots (female '50s R&B group) Five Dots(early '50s R&B male group), The Mints (N.Y. '50s male R&B group) The Four Mints (Columbus male Soul group), Devotions ('50s NY male Doo Wop group) ('60s female Detroit Soul group), Deans (late '50s East Coast White Pop group) ('60s Detroit Soul group)

Edited February 28, 2016 by RobbK

[Roburt]

No mention on this thread yet for the Ambassadors ...........

Had to be 6 or 7 separate SOUL groups that used the name (if we can include Betty Moores lot in the total). 

[Gotsoul]

There was also another group of-Temptations[White Group-Barbara].there were several groups of-Supremes in the fifties[Male].

[Robbk]

Ha! Ha!  I must be older than I thought.  I was sure I'd mentioned Johnnie Mae Matthews' Detroit Ambassadors vs.  The Philly Arctic/Atlantic group, and The Caucasian DooWop Temptations vs. Motown group, and also Columbus' Ace Supremes vs. Motown group!  I'm too busy to go back and look, but I'd bet I'd find ALL of those in my posts above.  But this thread is now too long to remember all the entries.  But, there are still many hundreds of same group names we haven't mentioned (if not thousands (if we count different music genres), even if we don't confuse "Skip & Fruit" with "Skip & Flip"!

[Gotsoul]

Sorry Robb, if you said you posted it, that's good enough for me, my fault for not reading the whole post.

[Robbk]

On 3/15/2016 at 12:53, Gotsoul said:

Sorry Robb, if you said you posted it, that's good enough for me, my fault for not reading the whole post.

I also mentioned there were other Ambassadors groups, but didn't get specific.  Another was the L.A. group on Uptown, and a late '50s New York group.  One of these was Donnie Murphy & The Ambassadors on RedBug Records, produced by Gene Redd.  The record was pressed at King Records' pressing plant in late 1964 or early 1965, and may have been a subsidiary of King.  Located in Cincinnati, Ohio, and being close in time to The Ambassadors' Uptown release, those Red Bug Ambassadors may have been the Cleveland group.  Imaginations on Bacon Fat (Black Philly group), Imaginations(Caucasian New York DooWop group).

Edited March 24, 2016 by RobbK

[Roburt]

Robb might  already have mentioned this, but as well as the Stax / Volt Mad Lads, there was a white group in the late 50's who cut for Bally Records in Chicago.

[Robbk]

23 minutes ago, Roburt said:

Robb might  already have mentioned this, but as well as the Stax / Volt Mad Lads, there was a white group in the late 50's who cut for Bally Records in Chicago.

I hadn't mentioned that, nor the other Black R&B.Soul transition Mad Lads from 1961-64, who had a nice record out on Capitol in 1963, plus one or 2 more out on small L.A. labels.  I think they worked with George Motola, H.B. Barnum on those, and Marion Oliver and Reggie Boyd on Capitol.

[Kev Cane]

On ‎21‎/‎02‎/‎2016 at 23:54, RobbK said:

The Passions (NY White Doo-Wop group, Philadelphia Girls Group), Billy Joe & The Checkmates. The Checkmates, Checkmates, Ltd., Tangeers('60s Soul) Tangiers ('50s R&B Decca/Specialty), Voice Masters(Anna/Check-Mate-Detroit), (Bamboo-St. Louis), (Francisco-New Orleans), Dramatics (Joe Hunter/Fred Brown Detroit group -Crackerjack) (WingateVolt/Mercury Detroit Group), Blossoms(Darlene Love L.A. group) (NY Okeh group)(D.C. Blossoms- Shrine). Blue Jays('50s Chicago Chess-Checker)(Hollywood Blue Jays(AKA Hollywood Flames-L.A. '50s), (early'60s Leon Peels Group), Eagles ('50s R&B group-Mercury)('70s-present White Rock group).

Hi Robb

Voice Masters-Bamboo St Louis surely same group as Two Lovers/In vain in love-Frisco, J Thompson is the writer on these recordings I think ?

Kev

[Roburt]

The 'white' Mad Lads (Bally) were still going strong & playing gigs in Milwaukee (their home town ?) in 1966 ......

[Robbk]

9 hours ago, kev cane said:

Hi Robb

Voice Masters-Bamboo St Louis surely same group as Two Lovers/In vain in love-Frisco, J Thompson is the writer on these recordings I think ?

Kev

I hadn't noticed that same writer name.  So, maybe the St. Louis group went to New Orleans to record for Frisco?  The groups DO sound like each other. 

 

Regarding the 1966 existence of the Caucasian Midwestern Mad Lads:  The L.A. group was DEFINITELY an African-American group that was NOT the Volt group.  But, maybe the Capitol group was the Milwaukee group?  The Capitol sounded Black to me, but I don't believe I've ever seen a photo of them.   And I only assumed they were the same group that had worked with Motola.

 

I've just played The Mad Lads' "Don't Cry At The Party" on Capitol, and can state that they DEFINITELY are a Black group. and the lead sounds just like the L.A. Mad Lads, so, I guess The Bally group never got another record out (that at least had any sales to speak of).

Edited March 19, 2016 by RobbK