John Gary Williams - Clarification

[Guest]

I know there's a ''re-issue'' with Sandra Wright on the flip but is the below first image also a re-issue? with the second image being original? the difference being the song title format and the little 's' underneath? . I have seen the first image on Discogs as a re-issue but also on Ebay more priced as an original. I have read what I can but still am not sure - any help appreciated.

 

[billb]

looks good to me?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPg77gQJzjU

great tune but look at the comment below this youtube clip.

John Gary Williams 5 months ago

I wrote this song in the early seventies and I had hope that things would have changed by now but I was wrong and it saddens me, it really brakes my heart, still I see hope.

[Sjclement]

One styrene the other vinyl?different pressing plants?

[Guest]

I bought the first one as a re-issue for a tenner and it's vinyl and brand new ..... and confirmed from the seller it was a re-issue - so I am confused lol

Flip side is as per original

[billb]

still looks good to me, look on ebay and you tube, both formats are on there, I think you've done well?

 

[Guest]

Hopefully - but someone has put it up (the first image) on Discogs under their generic format as a 2012 re-issue with one for sale @ £15 (like I bought mine for a tenner) whereas there are others listed as original (the second image shown) with prices from £40 t0 £100 plus - all of which makes me think the first is a re-issue - mine is too new for a 1974 release - and that some of the  ebay sellers might have it wrong albeit genuinely. This is how I see it, was just looking to see if anyone knew.

Mark

[Tlscapital]

First/top copy has the label of the styrene but if it's on vinyl, then it's a "re-issue" or worse...

[Supercorsa]

I have a demo copy with the 'S', so I am assuming it's just different pressing plants.

 

Having a little look around on the net, I discovered that Light In The Attic did a Stax box set, containing a reissue of this, but not in a demo format.

https://lightintheattic.net/releases/701-never-to-be-forgotten-the-flip-side-of-stax-1968-1974

Also on Discogs it refers to some markings in the runouts.  As follows:

• Matrix / Runout (A side / Plug side): STSX-0787-1 SS-01435 -L.NIX-
• Matrix / Runout (B side): STSX-0788-1 SS-01436 -L.NIX-

My runout shows as above with just the following difference, STSX-0787-13 (instead of STSX-0787-1), but the first picture in this topic taken from an Ebay listing, quite clearly shows STSX-0787-8.

So like I've stated, I would go down the road of different pressing plants. Plus I am certain I purchased my copy before 2012.

Edited January 24, 2016 by Supercorsa
update on reissue

[Guest Gogs]

Mine is a white demo. and the wording is laid out different,dead wax reads from 9 o,clock STXS 0788-1, 7o'clock s5-01436 space op, 5:30 -LNIX-

[Garethx]

The first image is of a legit styrene copy, pressed at Columbia's Pittman NJ plant. The second scan is of a copy pressed at Plastic Products in Memphis. Both original label layouts. 

The "S" on these Columbia pressings of the record was a price code (responding to a recommended price). You'll also see this on Philly Int. records and other Columbia-pressed labels. Hope this helps.

[Guest]

Thanks for all the info - to close this out I had a good close look at the marks in the runout grooves of my copy and in a super feint scribe is LITA 085D10-A (and only on the flip) - its really tough to see it (on the A side there is a similarly feint R-25373) (no other runout markings on either side)- so seems clear this is the Light In The Attic re-issue (thanks to Supercorsa for that info) even if it's nearly identical to the first image posted which is original - the only and marginal difference seems to be the space between the wording on the curve at the bottom of the label and the horizontal wording.  It also came with a nice new Stax card sleeve that seems typical of box sets and as I said is too new and clean to be original - it feels and looks new. Curiosity satisfied and now I can move on and can go get an original 

[billb]

Looks real, good on the dealer for being honest.

 

 

[Ncfc]

I have never bothered with 45, the seam split lp has done me for near 30 years.Great singer!

[Garethx]

The reissue above is vinyl. The original Columbia-pressed copies are styrene.