Aggrolite Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Hi folks, please help about information of this single. Staircase or Starecase? Which is the original label? DCS, Columbia, Solid Rock? And wich is the reasonable price? Where was discovered? Casino early years? Many thanks in advance. David.
Popular Post 45cellar Posted January 3, 2016 Popular Post Posted January 3, 2016 COLUMBIA in the U.S.A. 6
Peter Richer Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Nice pics (as usual) Roger. 'Special Rush Reservice' is interesting. David - I believe it was an Ian Levine Mecca outing, but if I'm wrong others will confirm.
Soul Shrews Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Also an LP but I cant remember the title sorry. Many other versions too of course Stumbled accross Dee Dee Warwicks version on her Atco lp yesterday for instance Cheers Paul
Jaco Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 28 minutes ago, Peter Richer said: Nice pics (as usual) Roger. 'Special Rush Reservice' is interesting. David - I believe it was an Ian Levine Mecca outing, but if I'm wrong others will confirm. Definitely pre-Wigan.
The Yank Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 31 minutes ago, soul shrews said: Also an LP but I cant remember the title sorry. Many other versions too of course Stumbled accross Dee Dee Warwicks version on her Atco lp yesterday for instance Cheers Paul The Spiral Starecase's album was also titled More Today Than Yesterday". 1
Winsford Soul Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 I remember it being a monster record about 1976 maybe 77 at the Casino . But think it was a reactivation from sometime earlier. If memory serves me right I had a dated and stamped demo with May 68 on it. Anyone cast any light on that or remember anything similar Steve
Rich B Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Joe Arnolds version was a big Mecca/Wigan/Cleethorpes sound around '76, I would have thought, the Spiral Starecase more Torch? 1
Goldsoul Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) It was a major play at Blackpool Mecca in 1975, not forgetting it reached no.12 in the US, 1969 for Pat Upton and the boys. Edited January 3, 2016 by The Golden 101
John Benson Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 This was definitely getting plays as Wigan opened in late '73 and the Solid Rock copies were around the record bar around the same time. I'm fairly sure it got plays at The Torch too? 2
The Yank Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 24 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said: I remember it being a monster record about 1976 maybe 77 at the Casino . But think it was a reactivation from sometime earlier. If memory serves me right I had a dated and stamped demo with May 68 on it. Anyone cast any light on that or remember anything similar Steve The single just missed the Pop Top 10( #12) in the U.S during the week of June 14, 1969 so I would guess May '69 would be more likely. 1
Winsford Soul Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 13 minutes ago, the yank said: The single just missed the Pop Top 10( #12) in the U.S during the week of June 14, 1969 so I would guess May '69 would be more likely. Thanks for information. I have just googled it and it was 1969 not 68. My mind is going after all this time being a creature of the night. Steve
Guest Kev Roberts Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 30 minutes ago, John Benson said: This was definitely getting plays as Wigan opened in late '73 and the Solid Rock copies were around the record bar around the same time. I'm fairly sure it got plays at The Torch too? John- It was never played at the Torch. The Solid Rock copies were merely straight reissues due to its ongoing popularity in the US way and beyond its 1969 hit status. Will check in with Ian L who I'm sure played it first(stand to be corrected). Very scarce on UK CBS but sold millions on Columbia. With it being such a massive US hit you would assume it was played here almost immediately, but I can't for the life of me ever remember it before early '75. Happy New Year.
Jaco Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 9 minutes ago, Kev Roberts said: John- It was never played at the Torch. The Solid Rock copies were merely straight reissues due to its ongoing popularity in the US way and beyond its 1969 hit status. Will check in with Ian L who I'm sure played it first(stand to be corrected). Very scarce on UK CBS but sold millions on Columbia. With it being such a massive US hit you would assume it was played here almost immediately, but I can't for the life of me ever remember it before early '75. Happy New Year. Doubt it was played at the Torch but I would swear blind it was played at the Mecca pre-Wigan, but this memory isn't what it was.
Peter99 Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Rich B said: Joe Arnolds version was a big Mecca/Wigan/Cleethorpes sound around '76, I would have thought, the Spiral Starecase more Torch? Nice version Rich. I hope you're well mate. Peter
Chris L Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 The song appeared on an episode of Ali McBeal. The UK CBS is not so rare as you'd think, they go for about £20 - 25. There's a French picture sleeve worth looking for. 1
Mal C Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) I picked up the 'Northern Scene' bootleg in Canada recently, looked lovely... such a great song I nearly kept it... Remember I heard this loads on a trip across the USA some years back, and on my Birthday in Miami we went cloth shopping, Liza got loads, I got buggar all, but when we eventually stopped for a coffee at Starbucks I sat down and on it came... one of the best Birthday memories that! here's my Aussie copy.. Edited January 4, 2016 by Mal C 1
Goldsoul Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 40 minutes ago, Chris L said: The song appeared on an episode of Ali McBeal. The UK CBS is not so rare as you'd think, they go for about £20 - 25. There's a French picture sleeve worth looking for. Chris.....Hope you're well. I beg to differ on the UK CBS not being rare, so much so I will buy every copy at £25 each! Seriously mate it's way more than that. I think it's easy to assume how common it is due to the ongoing popularity of both UK-Northern and US Radio plays, but it didn't sell a carrot when released on CBS. I rarely see it for sale. 3
Pete S Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 Kev's right, the UK release is a tough one. Nice version by Kiki Dee on her Motown LP by the way. 2
Steve Foran Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 Remember it being sung on X Factor and Cowell had no idea what it was??
Pete S Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 Just now, Steve Foran said: Remember it being sung on X Factor and Cowell had no idea what it was?? I remember that as well, was on X Factor USA I think, he'd never heard of the song
Chris L Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 7 hours ago, The Golden 101 said: Chris.....Hope you're well. I beg to differ on the UK CBS not being rare, so much so I will buy every copy at £25 each! Seriously mate it's way more than that. I think it's easy to assume how common it is due to the ongoing popularity of both UK-Northern and US Radio plays, but it didn't sell a carrot when released on CBS. I rarely see it for sale. Did a Popsike a French got £15.00 as did an Australian, last UK went for £45.00, I stand corrected. I have a US that I'll sell next month.
Dave Harrison Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 Prefer the Sam Fletcher version myself ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrIfDKQZZtY 1
45cellar Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 21 hours ago, Peter Richer said: Nice pics (as usual) Roger. 'Special Rush Reservice' is interesting. David - I believe it was an Ian Levine Mecca outing, but if I'm wrong others will confirm. Thanks Peter. Not sure how soon after the Initial release the "Special Rush Reservice" was done or why. Have seen others throughout the catalogue where this happens rather than reprint / press the same DEMO format. SINGAPORE : 1
Dave Harrison Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 So which was the original version of this? I can't find a date for the Sam Fletcher ( Vault 502). Just curious !
Winsford Soul Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 37 minutes ago, Dave Harrison said: So which was the original version of this? I can't find a date for the Sam Fletcher ( Vault 502). Just curious ! Dave. It was written by Pat Upton from the group Spiral Staircase so I,m assuming that it was the first release. Hope that helps Steve 1
dthedrug Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 Hi All "More to-day than yesterday" made it to #1 on the BILLBOARD POP CHART in 1969, yet when it got a UK release it did zilch, As far as I can remember it gained no radio play at all & did not enter the UK TOP 50, Like so mamy records that made it big at WIGAN if they got a UK release it is a safe bet that it was played at the TWISTED WHEEL or the PENDERLUM Club, It was a big play a t the MECCA by Tony Jebb & also Ian Levine, from then on it become a popular oldie played by Dave Everson at the Casino, The record was played at the DIVE BAR in Hitchin by Mick Smith in 72 & it was also one of my early buys from Mick, it was also available at CONTEMPOS for 75np & SOUL BOWL well into the 7ts, "baby what I mean" is a good version of the DRIFTER non hit, & has never had much play on the rare soul scene, maybe one day? 1
Benji Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 There's a german CBS release from 1969 as well. I have a demo so I don't know what the issue picture sleeve looks like. BTW, there's another version by Babs Acklin on her Someone else's Arms album. Nice take, not dancefloor material. But much more soulful than Spiral Staircase, which I think is just a mediocre pop tune. 1
Dave Harrison Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 16 hours ago, Winsford Soul said: Dave. It was written by Pat Upton from the group Spiral Staircase so I,m assuming that it was the first release. Hope that helps Steve Thanks Steve, I checked my copy of the Sam Fletcher, and I have written 1971 on the cover. I must have found it somewhere at some time! Cheers. 1
Mick Sway Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 https://www.soul-source.co.uk/gallery/image/73513-spiral-staircase-more-today-than-yesterday-cbs4187-demo/
Mick Sway Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Popsike values: https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?pagenum=1&searchtext=spiral+staircase+more+today+than+yesterday+CBS&incldescr=&sortord=ddate&thumbs=&currsel=&endfrom=&endthru=&ipp=
Chris L Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 16 hours ago, dthedrug said: Hi All "More to-day than yesterday" made it to #1 on the BILLBOARD POP CHART in 1969, yet when it got a UK release it did zilch, As far as I can remember it gained no radio play at all & did not enter the UK TOP 50, Like so mamy records that made it big at WIGAN if they got a UK release it is a safe bet that it was played at the TWISTED WHEEL or the PENDERLUM Club, It was a big play a t the MECCA by Tony Jebb & also Ian Levine, from then on it become a popular oldie played by Dave Everson at the Casino, "baby what I mean" is a good version of the DRIFTER non hit, & has never had much play on the rare soul scene, maybe one day? The Drifters version of "Baby what I mean" is far, far better than Staircase otherwise would have got the airplay.
Baldsoulie Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) Spanish CBS with picture sleeve on eBay of Spiral Staircase More today than yesterday. Edited January 5, 2016 by Baldsoulie
Garethx Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) This record is something of a standard on the other side of the Atlantic: it was a huge hit for a completely unknown band who are now considered a textbook example of the one-hit-wonder phenomenon. Youtube is littered with clips of Middle of the Road entertainers doing versions, most notably Andy Williams. Contemporary covers (like the Joe Arnold and Sam Fletcher mentioned) which might also be of interest from a UK club perspective include great versions by Carmen McRae on Atlantic LP, Charlie Earland on Prestige and a really great version on Philips by Bobby Hutton produced by Gene Chandler. I think the Bobby Hutton is by far his hardest 45 on that label. Maybe his best too. The Spiral Starecase is another example of a record which sold truckloads in the US but was by some fluke uncommon enough to play on the UK Northern scene, like Robert John etc. Funny when you consider things like Move On Up were considered 'too common' to play because of their chart status in the UK, while a US Curtom single of that particular title is anything but commonplace in its mother country. The strange world of Northern Soul... Edited January 6, 2016 by garethx 2
Sunnysoul Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, garethx said: Here are the boys in action Edited January 6, 2016 by sunnysoul .
Dave Pinch Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 On Sunday, January 03, 2016 at 20:29, Winsford Soul said: I remember it being a monster record about 1976 maybe 77 at the Casino . But think it was a reactivation from sometime earlier. If memory serves me right I had a dated and stamped demo with May 68 on it. Anyone cast any light on that or remember anything similar Steve May 69 most probably 1
Dave Pinch Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 On Monday, January 04, 2016 at 19:35, Dave Harrison said: So which was the original version of this? I can't find a date for the Sam Fletcher ( Vault 502). Just curious ! I think pat Upton the lead vocalist wrote the song... Sam fletcher is a good version 1974 on that one 1
Dave Pinch Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 On Tuesday, January 05, 2016 at 16:07, Chris L said: The Drifters version of "Baby what I mean" is far, far better than Staircase otherwise would have got the airplay. Both were minor hits in the USA. . Reaching the bottom end of the hot 100.. the drifters even reached the UK top 50
Chris L Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 6 minutes ago, dave pinch said: Both were minor hits in the USA. . Reaching the bottom end of the hot 100.. the drifters even reached the UK top 50 The Drifters was the one played in the 70s I don't ever remember Staircase getting any airplay.
Kris Holmes Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 I still will play that Drifters "What I Mean" 45 out from time to time, great cut. Cracking up at "Spiral Starecase" spelling hahahaha 1
Soul Shrews Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 17 hours ago, son of stan said: Barbara McNair version is a killer! As is Patti Austins Cheers Paul 1
Soul-chef Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) CHECK OUT THE FACES IN THE AUDIENCE.... WHO'S WHO OF SIXTIES MUSIC.... Edited January 8, 2016 by soul-chef 1
Dayo Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Definitely played at Mecca 1973 - wasn't it always one of the last hour spins? A great pop record.
Vern Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) On 04/01/2016 at 16:25, Pete S said: I remember that as well, was on X Factor USA I think, he'd never heard of the song 3 hours ago, Dayo said: Definitely played at Mecca 1973 - wasn't it always one of the last hour spins? A great pop record. Edited January 11, 2016 by Vern
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