Ted Massey Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 10 hours ago, snspoolie said: Anybody have a copy of The Magnetics - I Have A Girl - RA-Sel original for sale PM price and condition please Thanks Dave Watch out cause there's a very convincing boot out there 2
Steve G Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) Quite right Ted Massey, another one that has been booted, the writing on the sides looks faded (not clear or crisp) on the boots, like it's been stored in the damp. But of course the vinyl is brand shining new. No talc or carpet burn "weathering" on the boot I've seen. Edited December 29, 2015 by Steve G 3
Marc Forrest Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 Yes, remember also one being sold recently, may have been thru Pete ? Anyway, run out on the original reads R7104-A/B at nine o'clock, see attached a close up of my copy 1
Ted Massey Posted December 29, 2015 Author Posted December 29, 2015 the bottom 1mm of each written line is blurred also the the lines that look like bamboo the same 2
Cunnie Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 Any truth in the rumour that John Anderson has a pile of unreleased Magnetics acetates?
Triode Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 Doesn't the original have "raised" letters underneath the label ? similar to the epitome of sound, could be a quick way of spotting the boot.
Popular Post Steve G Posted December 29, 2015 Popular Post Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) I only saw it in semi subdued light of a pub gig, and no one had an original to compare it with. But it was so obviously a bootleg. This, Greater Experience, and John wesley on Melic, which has been booted on brand spanking new vinyl and had exactly the same fudged lettering on the side, not nice and sharp at all. Someone is being very cute here feeding boots out to unsuspecting buyers. Edited January 28, 2016 by Steve G 4
Roxie Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 many thanks for the info guys yet again buyer beware Cheers Dave
Benji Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 Is this a recent bootleg? And does anyone have more info about the General Assembly pressing that Steve mentions?
Steve G Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) Hi Benji, yes there is a thread running on FB about Greater Experience in one of the rare soul pages. Last 12 months or so. Edited December 31, 2015 by Steve G
Benji Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 ok, thanks. Pity I'm not on FB. Can someone who's in the Rare Soul group on FB share the info?
Louise Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 Well done Guys for exposing yet another despicable scam. The members of soul source and beyond are so lucky to have such diligent observers/collectors, keeping an eye out for such deceptive counterfeits. Dave 3
Marc Forrest Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 Must say that I so far havent seen a Magnetics/Ra-Sel boot on the net or in flesh, can someone post a scan ?
Ted Massey Posted December 31, 2015 Author Posted December 31, 2015 not seen one Marc still kicking my self as i could have taken a photo of it will see if Al took one
Steve G Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Same here Ted, just asked to give an opinion as to it's authenticity. Didn't take a picture of the one I saw either, but maybe one of the buyers will see this and post a scan up. If they're not demanding their money back of course.
Stanley Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 blimey ..never seen a boot on ra-sel ,and never even heard of one before it was mentioned by ted. its getting very very difficult to keep on top of this now .really feel for the guys who have been done with this deliberate bad situation.
Pete S Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Sorry I know this isn't any of my business but who has been done here? Nobody has been sold a counterfeit Magnetics as an original. In fact I don't think these have even circulated but for about 3 or 4 copies. That's all. Edited December 31, 2015 by Pete S
Steve G Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 So its been bootlegged (we know that) and only about 3 or 4 thus far have gone out is that what you are saying Pete?
Ted Massey Posted December 31, 2015 Author Posted December 31, 2015 Ok it was Big Al Shaw who had it in his possession apparently on apro the seller had told him to check it out. Al would not reveal who the seller was thou
Pete S Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) On 12/31/2015 at 13:10, Steve G said: So its been bootlegged (we know that) and only about 3 or 4 thus far have gone out is that what you are saying Pete? The definitions of what constitutes a bootleg are a bit blurred, yes it is probably a very clever counterfeit, but no copies are for sale anywhere, the copy above was given away, therefore nobody is being ripped off. If they were carvers nobody would blink, from what I can deduce they are a vanity project with a miniscule amount of copies made - I've got one and I'm highly delighted with it - it's the Rolls Royce of pressings. I paid sod all for it and don't consider myself to have been ripped off. It won't be on a public record deck so it's not hurting anyone. You investigative chaps need to focus your attentions abroad and into the murky depths of the past. Seek and you may find answers. Look to the East perhaps? p.s. at no time have I attempted to sell it as an original! Or even felt the need to tell anyone I've got it. Edited January 28, 2016 by Pete S 1
Steve G Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 There are quite a few of these "vanity projects" going on with small quantity pressings, with people with copies all "sworn to secrecy" as to the source. The soul freemasonry brotherhood of vinyl copyists? Perhaps if the source of these so called "vanity projects" was good enough to list ALL of the titles they have done / commissioned, then at least no one would be taken in, and we wouldn't have these threads. That would solve it and no one would care. People pop up on here, or on FB rare soul talk asking what they are worth. Had a chap with a General Assembly boot on there the other day going "whats this worth?" and people salivating saying $700 etc. when it is clearly a brand new boot (there is NO grey area here, nor are they like carvers). Had someone else ask me about Magnetics and John Wesley. I suspect at least one copy of Gen Assembly has leaked into the collectors market via re-sales.
Peter99 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 I don't see the point - but then again I very rarely do. 1
Pete S Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Steve G said: There are quite a few of these "vanity projects" going on with small quantity pressings, with people with copies all "sworn to secrecy" as to the source. The soul freemasonry brotherhood of vinyl copyists? Perhaps if the source of these so called "vanity projects" was good enough to list ALL of the titles they have done / commissioned, then at least no one would be taken in, and we wouldn't have these threads. That would solve it and no one would care. People pop up on here, or on FB rare soul talk asking what they are worth. Had a chap with a General Assembly boot on there the other day going "whats this worth?" and people salivating saying $700 etc. when it is clearly a brand new boot (there is NO grey area here, nor are they like carvers). Had someone else ask me about Magnetics and John Wesley. I suspect at least one copy of Gen Assembly has leaked into the collectors market via re-sales. Steve first of all, I am not in any freemasonry brotherhood, do you think they would have ME? I can't keep my mouth shut about anything. If I knew the details I'd post them up. I only know about this one because I was lucky enough to be given one, and as I say, I thought yes thats nice, thats mine, I'll keep it. Never mentioned it to anyone. Now I can tell you for certain there is no counterfeit of General Assembly. You are thinking of the wrong record. I know which one you are thinking of so I'll wait for you to remember. John Wesley - no idea. I have only seen this one record, The Magnetics. I have one copy, my own. I think I have an idea where they came from but I can't go out and say it in case I am wrong and I'll get in trouble but they are 100% "imports". Edited December 31, 2015 by Pete S
Steve G Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Sorry I forgot to remember that it's the Greater Experience. Where did General Assembly come from? Ha! 1
Pete S Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 3 minutes ago, Steve G said: Sorry I forgot to remember that it's the Greater Experience. Where did General Assembly come from? Ha! Dunno but nobody's played that out for 30 years...forgotten oldie
Peter99 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 2 hours ago, Steve G said: Sorry I forgot to remember that it's the Greater Experience. Where did General Assembly come from? Ha! Far superior record. Well, at least to my sensitive ears. 1
Ficklefingers Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Herts Of Soul said: Is that a pic of the boot ?? Edited December 31, 2015 by FickleFingers duplicate posting 1
Pomonkey Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 General Assembly gets plenty of plays on several scenes and saw an issue sold here for uk350 in July so hardly a forgotten oldie, let alone 30 years. Would still be a bizarre choice to boot but maybe that wasn't the one based on later comments.
Herts Of Soul Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 The boot looks like this for that one ! 1
Peter99 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 2 hours ago, Herts Of Soul said: Yes it is ! 29 minutes ago, Herts Of Soul said: The boot looks like this for that one ! Sounds like you're quite proud of them?
Herts Of Soul Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 6 minutes ago, Peter99 said: Sounds like you're quite proud of them? Not really just sharing so people don't get shafted really ! 6 minutes ago, Peter99 said: Sounds like you're quite proud of them? 1
Woodbutcher Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Some close-ups of the runout details on the pair of them would be nice , seeing as you have two of them to hand ...
Ted Massey Posted December 31, 2015 Author Posted December 31, 2015 That Magnetics is similar to the one I saw In the possession of Al
Stanley Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) the magnetics scan shown is a boot ,thank you ted for the heads up info ,i often buy duplicate 45,s and especially rare items .and pay strong money. i,m a collector first and i,m really grateful to be made aware counterfiet copies HAVE BEEN DONE.regardless of what some people say it doesn,t matter.....i think some would if they made a purchase in all honesty and it wasn,t the real deal at a later date. thx t best g Edited December 31, 2015 by stanley
Herts Of Soul Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 I'll take some pics but there isn't a lot on there to see !
Woodbutcher Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Well at least we'll have an archive of any markings there are on the boots ... And if Mr Massey or Mr Rimmer were to offer up runout pictures off originals then there would be a perfect reference that can be used by prospective buyers in future , and be included in any future publications by Mr Manship for example ...
Pete S Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 2 hours ago, pomonkey said: General Assembly gets plenty of plays on several scenes and saw an issue sold here for uk350 in July so hardly a forgotten oldie, let alone 30 years. Would still be a bizarre choice to boot but maybe that wasn't the one based on later comments. Not saying it's a bad record, it isn't, it's great, but I've not heard it played for many a year. The issue is beautiful, I sold one about 5 years back but it was £125
Marc Forrest Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) As far as the Magnetics is concerned the boot is easy to tell once you' ve seen an original. Text print is blurred on every line, label appears to be darker than the original, thing just looks cheap and badly photo copied. Still I am sure one or two poor newcomers with money to burn will get burned soon if and when one comes on the market. I know its been said its kinda "vanity project" but sure records do change hands sooner or later.. Edited January 1, 2016 by Marc Forrest 1
Pete S Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 23 minutes ago, Marc Forrest said: As far as the Magnetics is concerned the boot is easy to tell once you' ve seen an original. Text print is blurred on every line, label appears to be darker than the original, thing just looks cheap and badly photo copied. Still I am sure one or two poor newcomers with money to burn will get burned soon if and when one comes on the market. I know its been said its kinda "vanity project" but sure records do change hands sooner or later.. You mean like these newcomers who are KNOWINGLY paying £100 for a Jimmy Mack with stuck on photocopy labels?
Ted Massey Posted January 1, 2016 Author Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) A real one bought of Tim Ashibendi (colouredman on here) in 1987/8 Edited January 1, 2016 by Ted Massey
Pete S Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 Ted going by the centre you appear to have the same kitchen worktop as I do, how about that!
Pete S Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ted Massey said: Lol been fitted for 15 years now 1
Marc Forrest Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 44 minutes ago, Pete S said: Ted going by the centre you appear to have the same kitchen worktop as I do, how about that! Funnily enough, I have the same too! As posted on fb by a helpful Soulie for further "inspection" original next to bootleg 1
Pete S Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 With those two side by side, I can say with 100% confidence, the scan on the right is the wrong colour, the green is much darker, but I can't get my iphone to take a decent shot of it so you could see
Pete S Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 45 minutes ago, Ted Massey said: sorry Pete thats a boot m8 I am shocked Ted. Although the fact I paid nothing for it did get me suspsicious 1
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