My cup runneth over- Rita Graham on 45

[Chalky]

I emailed Rita before Martin posted. Since spoken to her and she thinks it is a bootleg and had no knowledge of any 45's from the Ray Charles produced Vibrations LP. 

[The Yank]

8 hours ago, Rbman said:

Just to add to the TRC release numbers.....what about this one! 

The answer to your question is right at the top of the label "Golden Goodie". Does anyone know of any other releases in this series ?/

[Hammersoul]

On 12/12/2015 at 21:34, tsu tomatoes said:

I'll give him a tenner! I might stretch to £11 if it's Mint. If I was him, I'd move it on at a big mark up. No one will believe him that it's legit anyhow. My Jamaican Colombia copy of "Universal Love - It's you girl" sat in my sales box for ages, because everyone thought it was moody. 

One of the reasons i posted up to see if legit or not. 

[Hammersoul]

On 13/12/2015 at 14:03, dobber said:

i assume its the same mix? same song,not a misprint,or a completely different version?

It sounded the same,i will check to make sure ,so long since i played or heard the lp .

[Hammersoul]

On 13/12/2015 at 16:55, Peter Richer said:

 

Hi. Do you know what the Tangerine record number is on the label? I'm assuming it can't be 757 as they go from the 900s to the 1000s.

 

On the Soulful Kinda Music label listing I can't see any missing numbers; and if this track is from 1969 it ought to be numbered around the 990s. Could it be some later release on a reactivated label?

 

Peter it`s Trc 1032  in Black Bold with 757 in Brackets underneath.  i don`t know how to post up label scan on here. If someone knows,i`ll text/ what`s app/ messenger the scan and they can do it. 

 

Going by numbers ,the last pressing on that label was 1031 which was 1973 so if legit,it was last on label. Going by info on a previous thread .

[Chalky]

4 minutes ago, Hammersoul said:

Peter it`s Trc 1032  in Black Bold with 757 in Brackets underneath.  i don`t know how to post up label scan on here. If someone knows,i`ll text/ what`s app/ messenger the scan and they can do it. 

 

Going by numbers ,the last pressing on that label was 1031 which was 1973 so if legit,it was last on label. Going by info on a previous thread .

I posted the scan from the previous topic earlier in this topic

[Hammersoul]

On 13/12/2015 at 21:22, Benji said:

 

I don't want to spread any false rumours but the fonst of title and artist don't look right to me. I remember the previous thread and remember the first time I saw the scan. "Recent press, computer designed label" I thought immediately.

 

This copy is exactly the same , not bigging up the find but if it was a boot or repress,why is there only 2/3 copies. Surely by now there be a few more turning up?Hardly worth pressing up a few when i was under the impression limited run was 100.

[Hammersoul]

22 minutes ago, chalky said:

I posted the scan from the previous topic earlier in this topic

Cheers Chalky, i was answering each question as i got to it ,noticed your scan after already posting .

[Steve G]

26 minutes ago, Hammersoul said:

 

This copy is exactly the same , not bigging up the find but if it was a boot or repress,why is there only 2/3 copies. Surely by now there be a few more turning up?Hardly worth pressing up a few when i was under the impression limited run was 100.

The offer is still open to meet you and P, Wayne. for a beer and to have a closer look. I can smell an original from the early 70s honest  

Edited December 16, 2015 by Steve G

[Hammersoul]

My mate`s joined Soul source,he`s found a few interesting 45`s which will might get the Steve G. (VINYL OF MASS DESTRUCTION ) certificate in a pub in Cheshunt very soon       Watch this space.   

 

Who would have thought Cheshunt would  be the Southern hub of rare soul lol.

[Herts Of Soul]

Who indeed Wayne , but only since you moved back ! LOL

[Louise]

Just out of interest has any more information surfaced on the validity of this 45 release ?

Dave

Edited December 23, 2015 by Louise

[Steve G]

Yep Dave, I saw the record last night.

Sorry guys, but as suspected it is a 100% recent bootleg. 

Edited December 23, 2015 by Steve G

[hullsoul]

5 minutes ago, Steve G said:

Yep Dave, I saw the record last night.

Sorry guys, but as suspected it is a 100% recent bootleg. 

Steve

Booooooo...........you've just ruined Christmas

So why boot it & not sell it in quantity????

Cheers

Martyn

[Louise]

2 hours ago, Steve G said:

Yep Dave, I saw the record last night.

Sorry guys, but as suspected it is a 100% recent bootleg. 

Begs the question why, as it's not as if it's actually currently indemand ?

Mind you the amount of stuff that been bootlegged or re-bootlegged recently I suppose even these unscrupulous bastards are struggling what to do next.

Dave

[Steve G]

Next up Willie Tee…"Bring on the heartaches" on Gatur 507 single - I kid you not!!! Another fake.

 

Edited December 23, 2015 by Steve G

[Louise]

I wonder were they would have licensed that from with both Ulysses Gains and Willie Tee dead.

Wasn't H.B. Barnum and David Axelrod behind the production of the "I'm Only A Man2 album on Capitol ?

Dave

[Steve G]

31 minutes ago, Louise said:

I wonder were they would have licensed that from with both Ulysses Gains and Willie Tee dead.

Wasn't H.B. Barnum and David Axelrod behind the production of the "I'm Only A Man2 album on Capitol ?

Dave

Licensed? come on Dave…..

Yes Barnum & Axelrod produced the album. 

[Tricky]

I have to say Dave.Surprised anybody thought it was gonna turn out to be real.

Smelt a rat from the beginning.

 

Mr dubious

[Peter Richer]

8 hours ago, Steve G said:

Yep Dave, I saw the record last night.

Sorry guys, but as suspected it is a 100% recent bootleg. 

Any details Steve?

What is it about the record which confirms it as a bootleg?

Also, where would one have bought a 'new' one of these bootlegs from? Does anybody have one in mint condition?

[Steve G]

7 hours ago, Peter Richer said:

Any details Steve?

What is it about the record which confirms it as a bootleg?

Also, where would one have bought a 'new' one of these bootlegs from? Does anybody have one in mint condition?

Yes Peter, but I am not going to make it easier for the bootleggers next time by revealing the tell tale signs that give it away (there were several). Suffice to say I can tell a new record from an early 70s one. I used my own late Tangerine 45s, my nose and my eyes. And of course my brain. 

I was told this, and the moody Willie Tee (both of which are stone mint) turned up in a Soul pack. That might help in "joining the dots" here. Rest assured there was no mystery TRC late release. After the Raelettes, Ray Charles closed the label down and went on vacation for 6 months. Rita Graham was long gone from TRC by 1973. And there is no Gatur 507 either. Sorry guys.

Cheers 

[Louise]

Perhaps the purchaser will come on the thread and enlighten us to who the seller was ?

Dave

[Mike Lofthouse]

I've said it before, but this is some elaborate scam.   Someone has produced a beautiful looking - if not perfect - facsimile of a Tangerine 45 - they have picked a track that is a well known LP only play - and indeed a pretty good seller because despite its demand you can still pick it it up for less than a tenner.  The track itself is musically OK I guess.   They have pressed it up - but then not put it on sale  - they have however, chose to somehow 'plant' a battered copy in a job lot which has been seen by one of the scenes most respected figures and a second copy in a collection of a person 'returning' to the scene who happens to be a mate of another of the scenes respected collectors.  And to cap it all lives in the same town as the scenes biggest collector - who was able to view it!

I'm completely puzzled by what the purpose of all this is?  It's a funny way to make money for sure !  will they sell anymore  due to the elaborate steps they have taken - wouldn't it of been easier to knock it out for tenner through the usual channels?  Wouldn't it of been better to pick a tune someone was actually interested in?  come on, someone must know?

 

[Docfish]

Nothing i like to do; to herald a shady business. The copy I've seen is from a guy, who is not really innocent in doing bootlegs himself. For me the picture becomes quite clear now.

[Mike Lofthouse]

ah well maybe that should of been mentioned in the first place !!   it does indeed become a little clearer.....

[Steve Plumb]

2 hours ago, Mike Lofthouse said:

I've said it before, but this is some elaborate scam.   Someone has produced a beautiful looking - if not perfect - facsimile of a Tangerine 45 - they have picked a track that is a well known LP only play - and indeed a pretty good seller because despite its demand you can still pick it it up for less than a tenner.  The track itself is musically OK I guess.   They have pressed it up - but then not put it on sale  - they have however, chose to somehow 'plant' a battered copy in a job lot which has been seen by one of the scenes most respected figures and a second copy in a collection of a person 'returning' to the scene who happens to be a mate of another of the scenes respected collectors.  And to cap it all lives in the same town as the scenes biggest collector - who was able to view it!

I'm completely puzzled by what the purpose of all this is?  It's a funny way to make money for sure !  will they sell anymore  due to the elaborate steps they have taken - wouldn't it of been easier to knock it out for tenner through the usual channels?  Wouldn't it of been better to pick a tune someone was actually interested in?  come on, someone must know?

 

Someone has been very cute here Mike. I personally think it has always been a superb track and I reckon you'd find that many collectors and DJ's would have paid good money for it if they thought it was original? I would have been more than happy to pay say, £150 for it? If you multiply that by say 20+ other mugs like me, it's starting to work out as a lucrative project for some bootlegging fooker! Looks like I'm sticking to the LP then :-)

[Mike Lofthouse]

Just now, Steve Plumb said:

 I would have been more than happy to pay say, £150 for it? I

You can have mine for that Steve!!!

Happy Christmas and all the best for the New Year!

[Steve Plumb]

2 minutes ago, Mike Lofthouse said:

You can have mine for that Steve!!!

Happy Christmas and all the best for the New Year!

LOL

All the very best to you and yours too Lofty

x

[Louis]

On 14/12/2015 at 10:38, chalky said:

Think everyone considered it Lp only until these recent finds.  Still some convincing needed too by the looks of it.

At least we can say that Derek Pearson is Not a Cad and a bounder now .

Not that I had any doubts about his sales technique

[Chalky]

How do we know the bootlegger hasn't sold a few dozen already, we only know of the two or three mentioned so far.   Like Dave says it would  nice to know the source of the record too.

[Louise]

21 hours ago, docfish said:

Nothing i like to do; to herald a shady business. The copy I've seen is from a guy, who is not really innocent in doing bootlegs himself. For me the picture becomes quite clear now.

So Lars is the perpetrator of this grand deception, a man of international mystery or  possibly a svengali who resides in the UK ?

Dave

Edited December 25, 2015 by Louise

[John Benson]

Well at least the mystery is now a little bit clearer! Although the source isn't - not yet anyway.

I may be putting two and two together, but the mention of the Willie Tee Gatur '45' had me wondering as a certain well known person mentioned it numerous times on one of his recent 'podcasts'. I thought it odd that someone would mention it in such a casual manner. Yet I'd never come across any other mention of it until yesterday on this thread, and the words 'Soul Pack'..... I wonder if I'm thinking about the same person?

[Dave Pinch]

4 hours ago, John Benson said:

Well at least the mystery is now a little bit clearer! Although the source isn't - not yet anyway.

I may be putting two and two together, but the mention of the Willie Tee Gatur '45' had me wondering as a certain well known person mentioned it numerous times on one of his recent 'podcasts'. I thought it odd that someone would mention it in such a casual manner. Yet I'd never come across any other mention of it until yesterday on this thread, and the words 'Soul Pack'..... I wonder if I'm thinking about the same person?

the thick plottens JB

 

[Tricky]

1+1 appears to equal 3 now. So talking of smelling rats would it be fair to be suspicious of the holy grail Sam Moore?

 

Mr still Dubious

[Sunnysoul]

12 hours ago, TRICKY said:

1+1 appears to equal 3 now. So talking of smelling rats would it be fair to be suspicious of the holy grail Sam Moore?

 

Mr still Dubious

If you mean Sam Moore's "  Give You Plenty Lovin' " on Atlantic, it most definitely exists ... and two issues of it, pressed at different plants.

 

[Benji]

Please stop beating around the bush. "Recent podcasts", "Willie Tee on Gatur", "Sam Moore holy grail". It's so obvious you guys talk about Ian Levine and his soul packs.

If both, Rita and Willie Tee 45s infact turned up in IL soul packs why not say so?

[Tricky]

Thanks for that info sunnysoul.Nice to see.

Mr Convinced

[Mike Lofthouse]

On 12/29/2015 at 07:21, sunnysoul said:

If you mean Sam Moore's "  Give You Plenty Lovin' " on Atlantic, it most definitely exists ... and two issues of it, pressed at different plants.

 

and another nicer copy....

[Ian Dewhirst]

4 hours ago, Mike Lofthouse said:

and another nicer copy....

That's waaaaay too shiny Mike. Must be a boot.......

Ian D