Tempos - A Little Togetherness

[Jona]

As seen on evilbay, I came across this and pondered on it, I have never come across this before, how rare is it now?

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Tempos-A-Little-Togetherness-northern-soul-rare-1st-press-on-Canterbury-mp3-/151880982199?hash=item235ccfdeb7:g:tUQAAOSw7hRWQlhR

 

 

[Mellorful]

You asked a good question.

I was confused when I saw it, always thought Tempos Countdown original was on mauve coloured label on Canterbury 504, and the Younghearts is a yellow label Canterbury 506 with A little togetherness & Beginning of the end.  

As 504 comes before 506 then I am struggling to see it as a first issue, 

My Manship and TB guide don't mention this as a release or bootleg but my guides are dated. No doubt someone will shed some light on the matter  

[Robbk]

That's a legit L.A. pressing.  It was pressed both on maroon and yellow at Monarch.  I saw the yellow ones before the maroon.

[Podge]

It is difficult to see the deadwax matrix but my copy has the ''nashville matrix''stamp on, as per JM's guide, do you know RobbK if both yellow and maroon have this ?

[Robbk]

8 minutes ago, NickH said:

It is difficult to see the deadwax matrix but my copy has the ''nashville matrix''stamp on, as per JM's guide, do you know RobbK if both yellow and maroon have this ?

They probably do on the East Coast and Midwest issues.  I don't have The Tempos on yellow, but my yellow Younghearts has only the Monarch Deltaand number, "LR" etched on and a circle insignia stamp (that I can't make out what it is).  The SAME is true for my maroon Tempos.  So, I'm guessing all the L.A. pressings were like that, and Midwest (and possibly East Coast) had Nashville Matrix.  Those L.A. pressings must have been mastered at Allied Steel (Allied fed Monarch and also used the Delta on their own pressings in their own pressing plant. 

[Jona]

I have the tempos CountdownHIC and younghearts ALTogetherness both on yellow styrene, but the issue number for ALT is the same as the tempos ALT on Ebay C506, I just wondered if it was a typo, that they they quickly fixed and how many copies escaped?

Cheers for the imput though

[Stateside]

Only just noticed that it has The Younghearts not the Tempos credited on the B side. May have been a typo

[45cellar]

An extremely Rare copy Credited to The Tempos. It was an Auction Item on Manships a few years ago as I recall.

[Jona]

went for £239, I think it may have been a good investment

[Podge]

1 hour ago, jona said:

went for £239, I think it may have been a good investment

Think it was too, a bit of an oddity,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Guest]

On 17/11/2015, 19:20:49, stateside said:

Only just noticed that it has The Younghearts not the Tempos credited on the B side. May have been a typo

That's why I think it is mislabelled. If it was a proper release it would be credited to the Tempos on both sides! Not the Tempos on one side and the Younghearts on the other.

They probably had some labels printed as the Tempos, then changed the release to The Younghearts. 

Maybe somebody at the pressing plant made a mistake and used the Tempos label instead of the Younghearts labels on one side.

Has anyone ever seen a white demo as the Tempos?

P.S. The playing time stated is over 3 minutes on the Tempos label, but less than 3 minutes on the Younghearts label.

Edited November 19, 2015 by Guest

[Bazm]

Steve Plumb put me on to this ages ago and managed to track one down some time ago. V rare and if I remember a slightly different mix although I've yet to take time out to really check.

Hope that helps

Best

Baz

 

[Peter99]

Is it the same record?

Peter

[Chris L]

The Tempos & Younghearts were almost the same group, managed by Bobby Sanders he told me that by changing 1 member of the group he had 2. He was a bit of a Del-Boy so he may well been have a part of it.

[Jim G]

it is very rare and  I am sure JM did auction it.

there is another on Popsike from a few years back:

 https://www.popsike.com/NORTHERN-SOUL-THE-TEMPOS-LITTLE-TOGETRHERNESS-RARE/270780292534.html

The desrcritions gives a good insight tot he record

 

"

VERY RARE ORIGINAL LABEL THAT WAS WITHDRAWN AND RENAMED, PERFORMED BY "THE YOUNGHEARTS" BOBBY SANDERS DID THIS OVER CONTRACTUAL DISAGREEMENT WITH THE TEMPOS OVER NOT SELLING THEIR CONTRACT TO MOTOWN. THE TEMPOS ACTUALLY RECORDED THIS AT THE SAME RECORDING SESSION AS "COUNTDOWN". DONNY ON VOCALS NOT CURTIS WHO WAS THE LEAD SINGER. 

AFTER THIS BOBBY SANDERS RENAMED THE GROUP AND FORMED A BAND CALLED TO THE YOUNGHEARTS TO PERFORM LIVE. THAT IS THE LINE UP THAT YOU HEAR ON MINIT RECORD RELEASES. 

I KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE BECAUSE I WAS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY PLAYED IT TO THE TEMPOS CLOSE TO 40 YEARS LATER AND THEY NEVER KNEW IT HAD BEEN RELEASED. PRIOR TO THAT BOBBY TOLD ME THAT IT WAS TWO SEPARATE GROUPS. UNPON MY CONFRONTATION WITH THE EVIDENCE HE COLLABORATED THEIR VERSION 100%. 

HE ALSO HAD NEVER SEEN A COPY CREDITED TO THE TEMPOS UNTILL I BROUGHT IT TO HIS ATTENTION. HE HAD NEVER HAD LOOKED INSIDE THE FIRST COUPLE OF BOXES. THINGS DO HAVE A TENDENCY TO COME OUT IN THE WASH EVENTUALLY. DON'T THEY?.....LISTEN

Edited November 20, 2015 by jim g

[Stateside]

I listened to the sample (which has gone now) and it sounded the same as the version by the Younghearts and Kings of Hearts. But many of the mp3 versions uploaded on to you tube and on cd are different to the actual single

This is the cd version at 50 seconds it says "You don't have to be baby, a millionaire, just stick with me baby, and together we will share" or something like

and this is the 45 version where at 50 seconds its says "A little togetherness baby, that's all we need"

 

I have an original Younghearts and a Kings of Hearts version and they are both the same as the second version I have shown above.

Does anyone have a 45 with the same lyrics as version 1 above...........does it exist as a 45?

 

Kev

Edited November 20, 2015 by stateside

[Peter99]

10 minutes ago, stateside said:

I listened to the sample (which has gone now) and it sounded the same as the version by the Younghearts and Kings of Hearts. But many of the mp3 versions uploaded on to you tube and on cd are different to the actual single

This is the cd version at 50 seconds it says "You don't have to be baby, a millionaire, just stick with me baby, and together we will share" or something like

and this is the 45 version where at 50 seconds its says "A little togetherness baby, that's all we need"

 

I have an original Younghearts and a Kings of Hearts version and they are both the same as the second version I have shown above.

Does anyone have a 45 with the same lyrics as version 1 above...........does it exist as a 45?

 

Kev

Thanks Kev

Peter

[Jim G]

More info here

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/forums/topic/67182-canterbury-the-younghearts-a-little-togetherness/

[Mick Holdsworth]

1 hour ago, stateside said:

I listened to the sample (which has gone now) and it sounded the same as the version by the Younghearts and Kings of Hearts. But many of the mp3 versions uploaded on to you tube and on cd are different to the actual single

This is the cd version at 50 seconds it says "You don't have to be baby, a millionaire, just stick with me baby, and together we will share" or something like

and this is the 45 version where at 50 seconds its says "A little togetherness baby, that's all we need"

 

I have an original Younghearts and a Kings of Hearts version and they are both the same as the second version I have shown above.

Does anyone have a 45 with the same lyrics as version 1 above...........does it exist as a 45?

 

Kev

Looking at The Younghearts "Little Togetherness" Yellow Canterbury, I've had quite a few of this title variation (ie without the "A" infront of "Little Togetherness") and they have always been without the "millionaire" line. I've also had some white demos and again, just the normal short versions. I think this may also apply to "A Little Togetherness" but can't be sure as I've never really noticed.

However, early last year I picked up a copy of "Little Togetherness" on Yellow Canterbury with the Millionaire line and decided it was one to keep. Label is identical to other "Little Togetherness" issues. (As the YouTube above but without the A in the title. everything else is identical)

I don't have a normal one to hand to comare against, but the "Millionaire" version I have here has the following runout info ...

JC 67C-506-A-RE-1 (it originally said JC 677-506-A-RE-1 but the second "7", has been overwritten with a "C") Further round is the Delta 64811

Although the "millionaire" version may (or may not) be rare on Canterbury, it is quite easy to get under the name New Younghearts on Soultown. Alongside that, all Zea copies of Kings Of Hearts are the standard short version.

Cheers
Mick

[Stateside]

1 hour ago, Mick Holdsworth said:

Looking at The Younghearts "Little Togetherness" Yellow Canterbury, I've had quite a few of this title variation (ie without the "A" infront of "Little Togetherness") and they have always been without the "millionaire" line. I've also had some white demos and again, just the normal short versions. I think this may also apply to "A Little Togetherness" but can't be sure as I've never really noticed.

However, early last year I picked up a copy of "Little Togetherness" on Yellow Canterbury with the Millionaire line and decided it was one to keep. Label is identical to other "Little Togetherness" issues. (As the YouTube above but without the A in the title. everything else is identical)

I don't have a normal one to hand to comare against, but the "Millionaire" version I have here has the following runout info ...

JC 67C-506-A-RE-1 (it originally said JC 677-506-A-RE-1 but the second "7", has been overwritten with a "C") Further round is the Delta 64811

Although the "millionaire" version may (or may not) be rare on Canterbury, it is quite easy to get under the name New Younghearts on Soultown. Alongside that, all Zea copies of Kings Of Hearts are the standard short version.

Cheers
Mick

  Thanks Mick, that's interesting. there are two versions on vinyl then.

 

Kev

[Chris L]

5 hours ago, jim g said:

it is very rare and  I am sure JM did auction it.

there is another on Popsike from a few years back:

 https://www.popsike.com/NORTHERN-SOUL-THE-TEMPOS-LITTLE-TOGETRHERNESS-RARE/270780292534.html

The desrcritions gives a good insight tot he record

I KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE BECAUSE I WAS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY PLAYED IT TO THE TEMPOS CLOSE TO 40 YEARS LATER AND THEY NEVER KNEW IT HAD BEEN RELEASED. PRIOR TO THAT BOBBY TOLD ME THAT IT WAS TWO SEPARATE GROUPS. UNPON MY CONFRONTATION WITH THE EVIDENCE HE COLLABORATED THEIR VERSION 100%. 

 

When was this ? I played it to them in 1998

Edited November 20, 2015 by Chris L

[Jim G]

No idea when it was played I just pasted the description from Popsike

[Tlscapital]

On 20 novembre 2015 17:21:18, Chris L said:

When was this ? I played it to them in 1998

He says 40 years after so; 1967 + 40 that makes 2007 or about... He doesn't say anything about the flip-side credit being the Younghearts which should lead us to undertstand together with the proper credited promo copy that it was just a misprint. I think he kind of made up a theory with vague memories of those old-timers mixed-up grapevine legend... 

Edited November 24, 2015 by tlscapital

[Ik001]

On ‎11‎/‎16‎/‎2015‎ ‎8‎:‎28‎:‎17‎, jona said:

As seen on evilbay, I came across this and pondered on it, I have never come across this before, how rare is it now?

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Tempos-A-Little-Togetherness-northern-soul-rare-1st-press-on-Canterbury-mp3-/151880982199?hash=item235ccfdeb7:g:tUQAAOSw7hRWQlhR

 

 

Noticed this one myself and didn't realise there was a Tempos copy, but it is in Manship's book priced at £250. Interesting as well as the Younghearts on Canterbury there is the one on Soul Town and also Zea both as promo and issue.

[Chris L]

32 minutes ago, tlscapital said:

He says 40 years after so; 1967 + 40 that makes 2007 or about... He doesn't say anything about the flip-side credit being the Younghearts which should lead us to undertstand together with the proper credited promo copy that it was just a misprint. I think he kind of made up a theory with vague memories of those old-timers mixed grapevine legend... 

No, he said " I WAS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY PLAYED IT TO THE TEMPOS CLOSE TO 40 YEARS LATER"

[Mick Holdsworth]

2 hours ago, stateside said:

  Thanks Mick, that's interesting. there are two versions on vinyl then.

Kev

Should add all the "Little Togetherness" copies I've come across, including this "Millionaire" version, are Styrene (I've added that to my post above).

Cheers
Mick

Edited November 20, 2015 by Mick Holdsworth

[Tlscapital]

18 hours ago, Chris L said:

No, he said " I WAS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY PLAYED IT TO THE TEMPOS CLOSE TO 40 YEARS LATER"

What is the difference in calculation between 40 years LATER or AFTER ?

[Guest]

On 20/11/2015, 17:22:19, ik001 said:

Noticed this one myself and didn't realise there was a Tempos copy, but it is in Manship's book priced at £250. Interesting as well as the Younghearts on Canterbury there is the one on Soul Town and also Zea both as promo and issue.

The Younghearts came out in 1967,  The Soultown release by The New Younghearts was 3 years later in 1970.  The Zea release was about 1972.

Edited November 22, 2015 by Guest