Last Big Discovery?

[Drew3]

Occasionaly on here posters will refer to 'the next big discovery' or 'the next big thing'.

But what were the last big discoveries? What and when were they?

Were they 'never been heard on the scene before (ever) tunes' or were they simply re-activated oldies that had never had much play the first time around?

Is there a consensus as to what was the last big discovery?

KTF.

Drew.

[Chalky]

Butch had a few cracking discoveries last year or so in particular his Masqueraders cover up, I've heard nothing to better it, superb As his Gerri Taylor & Profiles cover ups. He played one out for the first time as well at last Lifeline but can't remember what he's called it

[Winnie :-)]

Butch had a few cracking discoveries last year or so in particular his Masqueraders cover up, I've heard nothing to better it, superb As his Gerri Taylor & Profiles cover ups. He played one out for the first time as well at last Lifeline but can't remember what he's called it

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Chalks,

If it's a cover up, is it still a discovery as apart from the DJ no one knows who it is? Well select few might. And also if only one DJ is playing it, is it a BIG discovery? Wouldn't a big discovery be something that most knew? Or something played at a few venues? Just an observation mate, not looking for an argument (for a change)

Winnie:-)

[Guest]

Occasionaly on here posters will refer to 'the next big discovery' or 'the next big thing'.

But what were the last big discoveries? What and when were they?

Were they 'never been heard on the scene before (ever) tunes' or were they simply re-activated oldies that had never had much play the first time around?

Is there a consensus as to what was the last big discovery?

KTF.

Drew.

Stompa,will get its day,when i visit vinyl carvers........... LPs a pain for DJ`ing

[Drew3]

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Chalks,

If it's a cover up, is it still a discovery as apart from the DJ no one knows who it is? Well select few might. And also if only one DJ is playing it, is it a BIG discovery? Wouldn't a big discovery be something that most knew? Or something played at a few venues? Just an observation mate, not looking for an argument (for a change)

Winnie:-)

Fair point Winnie.

KTF.

Drew.

[Chalky]

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Chalks,

If it's a cover up, is it still a discovery as apart from the DJ no one knows who it is? Well select few might. And also if only one DJ is playing it, is it a BIG discovery? Wouldn't a big discovery be something that most knew? Or something played at a few venues? Just an observation mate, not looking for an argument (for a change)

Winnie:-)

it's new and fills floor whenever Butch DJ's, think most will have heard it as he also does places like Queens Hall as well as Lifeline & 100 Club etc.

Don't think who it is really matters, cover ups always played their part, it's the reaction the dancers give them that counts IMHO

Edited September 14, 2006 by chalky

[Jumpinjoan]

I have to agree with you Chalky.... Masqueraders c /up is without doubt THE best thing i've heard for at least the last 10 years... INCREDIBLE TUNE!!

It would still be an incredible tune if all it cost was a fiver... and everyone of us could have one!!

Who knows... it could be...

[Guest Byrney]

I have to agree with you Chalky.... Masqueraders c /up is without doubt THE best thing i've heard for at least the last 10 years... INCREDIBLE TUNE!!

It would still be an incredible tune if all it cost was a fiver... and everyone of us could have one!!

What a record - defo the big tune over the last 2 or so years. Always a tad difficult to find a place on the floor when its' spun

[Guest Baz]

Stompa,will get its day,when i visit vinyl carvers........... LPs a pain for DJ`ing

[Guest]

Johnson Family - Peace In The Family?

Not sure if you could say it went massive but did/still does get a lot of plays very quickly and the price rocketed from £5 or so upto £200 (well thats what I sold my two demos at).

There was athread on here 6 months or so ago about what is going to be the next big thing. Be interesting to dig it up and see which predictions are right.

[Guest]

Link to the thread I mentioned https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=27868

[Mikevague]

Link to the thread I mentioned https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=27868

Find a copy of Johnnie Taylor's "Disco lady", and listen to the flip...

"Your the best in the world"..$3 well spent...

[Drew3]

I have to agree with you Chalky.... Masqueraders c /up is without doubt THE best thing i've heard for at least the last 10 years... INCREDIBLE TUNE!!

It would still be an incredible tune if all it cost was a fiver... and everyone of us could have one!!

Who knows... it could be...

Fine.

But is this record something that pretty much everyone, DJ, collector or punter would know and rave about and it then become a scene anthem as it were?

What were the last biggies to qualify in that sense? Don't forget my origional question; were they completly unknown etc?

KTF.

Drew.

[Eddie Hubbard]

Fine.

But is this record something that pretty much everyone, DJ, collector or punter would know and rave about and it then become a scene anthem as it were?

What were the last biggies to qualify in that sense? Don't forget my origional question; were they completly unknown etc?

KTF.

Drew.

How about Margeret Little " Love finds a way " ? Detroit ,Hestor /Wylie ,Mike Terry on sax , you would have thought this would have been well known by the time it was played by Soul Sam , Any thoughts folks ? Best ,Eddie

[Ted Massey]

Marget littles an Adey Pierce discovery

[Gasher]

your 100% correct Tedward

go to the top of the class..Remember when he got it and played it to Spaggetti Boy

[Ernie Andrews]

your 100% correct Tedward

go to the top of the class..Remember when he got it and played it to Spaggetti Boy

The only big discovery round here was Linda finding out you had alittle one! Hah ha

Taxi For The gasher (Tonight what time you want picking up?

[Winnie :-)]

How about Margeret Little " Love finds a way " ? Detroit ,Hestor /Wylie ,Mike Terry on sax , you would have thought this would have been well known by the time it was played by Soul Sam , Any thoughts folks ? Best ,Eddie

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Personally I think this record is wayyyyyy over-rated and it's popularity is based more on it's value and rarity rather than it's quality. But it would fall into the category of big discovery I guess.

Now the Mello souls, thats a different matter IMO. It has everything, pace melody etc, truly a great northern soul record.

Winnie:-)

PS. Agree 100% with Drew, to be a big discovery it must appeal to the masses and have an anthemic quality.

[Harrogatesoul]

Has anyone a soundclip of Mello Souls?

TIA

Rich

[Guest Baz]

Now the Mello souls, thats a different matter IMO. It has everything, pace melody etc, truly a great northern soul record.

Winnie:-)

Myself and Dave V have a mello souls c/up might not be every ones taste straight off, but still a brill record, suppose you could call that a new discovery

Edited September 15, 2006 by Baz

[KevH]

hi, just a mention about Magaret Little, when i first heard it thought it was good.After listening more on CD, thought this is TOO good.It's got all the ingredient's ,as they say, but after a while it lost it's buzz.BTW, has anyone else noticed the intro? ,sounds like some American DJ crooning "oooh baby", made me think it might be a later release?

[Winnie :-)]

Myself and Dave V have a mello souls c/up might not be every ones taste straight off, but still a brill record, suppose you could call that a new discovery

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A mello souls cup?? Didn't know they had a merchandising contract

How long you had it Baz, have I heard it yet?

[Guest Baz]

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A mello souls cup?? Didn't know they had a merchandising contract

How long you had it Baz, have I heard it yet?

I've not had mine long but Dave's had his a few years just not give it the push untill now, there is one big name chasing it as we speak so it'll be a nighter spin soon enough.

Im not going to upload it on here (plus you cant at the moment) as it's a rarity and if some one wants to here it they'll have to come Peircebridge in oct, but PM me your email win and i'll sort you a little snippit out and you can pass judgment for yourself

[Steve Plumb]

Johnson Family - Peace In The Family?

Not sure if you could say it went massive but did/still does get a lot of plays very quickly and the price rocketed from £5 or so upto £200 (well thats what I sold my two demos at).

There was athread on here 6 months or so ago about what is going to be the next big thing. Be interesting to dig it up and see which predictions are right.

Agree - JF maybe not reached it's peak yet BUT has certainly been one of the biggest 70's 'discoveries' in 2006!

I still think it has yet to truly crossover onto the Northern scene but i think it's well on it's way!

Cheers

Steve

[Garethx]

A very interesting thread, Winnie. I don't think a record will ever again be the next big discovery in the way sounds took off in the scene's seventies heyday. Back then records could be said to be huge in a matter of a weekend: the turnover of genuinely popular sounds on a nationwide basis was on a vastly different level to the situation we now see.

Fantastic tunes are still being unearthed, make no mistake about that. The Masqueraders cover up which Chalky and Joan have mentioned is a case in point. The thing is, Butch has been playing this particular record for approaching three years now, and it has still not seeped into the popular consciousness, if such a thing still exists, of today's scene. Over the last five years, ten years, fifteen years and twenty years I have heard records from a handful of deejays which can genuinely be seen in a favourable light when compared to many of the cherished oldies from the Wheel, Torch, Catacombs, Mecca, Casino and Cleethorpes eras.

The Mello Souls has been played for practically two decades and has still yet to receive (and probably never will receive) the type of universal acclaim and popularity afforded any of the top sounds from the clubs listed above. Does that mean it's a bad record: of course not, it's a bleeding masterpiece of full-on adrenalin-rush Northern Soul. Trouble is, for the vast majority of people who attend soul nights and allnighters the idea of anything found after 1980 being brilliant is something that they cannot quite bring themselves to countenance. Why, I don't know. But it seems to me that the majority are quite content to wallow in nostalgia alone. This is not in itself a bad thing, but forces of progression are what has always driven the scene forward. When that finally ceases to be the case, it will all come crashing down. When the deejays who look long and hard for something new with that magic start to tire of doing so, the entire thing, oldies all nighters and all, will die. The death throes will be anguished, ugly and will take forever.

I genuinely think the vast majority of punters are not listening any more. It must make deejays who have tried to take the rare soul scene forward tear their hair out and ask "what is the f**cking point."

[GordonS]

Was Chris Clark "Something's Wrong" around as an acetate before it came out on TheUltiamte Collection (if that's what is called - I'm at work)?

Is that what you are getting at or does that not count if it were not found gathereing dust in some warehouse in Cincinatti?

Gordon (soul boy for 40 years and still learning)

Occasionaly on here posters will refer to 'the next big discovery' or 'the next big thing'.

But what were the last big discoveries? What and when were they?

Were they 'never been heard on the scene before (ever) tunes' or were they simply re-activated oldies that had never had much play the first time around?

Is there a consensus as to what was the last big discovery?

KTF.

Drew.

[Winnie :-)]

A very interesting thread, Winnie. I don't think a record will ever again be the next big discovery in the way sounds took off in the scene's seventies heyday. Back then records could be said to be huge in a matter of a weekend: the turnover of genuinely popular sounds on a nationwide basis was on a vastly different level to the situation we now see.

Fantastic tunes are still being unearthed, make no mistake about that. The Masqueraders cover up which Chalky and Joan have mentioned is a case in point. The thing is, Butch has been playing this particular record for approaching three years now, and it has still not seeped into the popular consciousness, if such a thing still exists, of today's scene. Over the last five years, ten years, fifteen years and twenty years I have heard records from a handful of deejays which can genuinely be seen in a favourable light when compared to many of the cherished oldies from the Wheel, Torch, Catacombs, Mecca, Casino and Cleethorpes eras.

The Mello Souls has been played for practically two decades and has still yet to receive (and probably never will receive) the type of universal acclaim and popularity afforded any of the top sounds from the clubs listed above. Does that mean it's a bad record: of course not, it's a bleeding masterpiece of full-on adrenalin-rush Northern Soul. Trouble is, for the vast majority of people who attend soul nights and allnighters the idea of anything found after 1980 being brilliant is something that they cannot quite bring themselves to countenance. Why, I don't know. But it seems to me that the majority are quite content to wallow in nostalgia alone. This is not in itself a bad thing, but forces of progression are what has always driven the scene forward. When that finally ceases to be the case, it will all come crashing down. When the deejays who look long and hard for something new with that magic start to tire of doing so, the entire thing, oldies all nighters and all, will die. The death throes will be anguished, ugly and will take forever.

I genuinely think the vast majority of punters are not listening any more. It must make deejays who have tried to take the rare soul scene forward tear their hair out and ask "what is the f**cking point."

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Just like to point out it's Drew's thread, but agree it's very interesting.

Agree the vast majority aren't listening anymore, but also think with the advent of more and more local nights the vast majority don't travel either, which hinders progression. To many I suspect it's a chance to hear some music they remember in an safe environment, moving the scene forward doesn't play any part in their agenda. Sad but true IMO. There will always be a handful who still want fresh challenges, and I tend to think they will be the ones 'still on the vinyl trail', but their audiences are dwindling and that may affect their resolve. Only time will tell, but the vision I have of the 'future' scene is very similar to your own, unfortunately the answers to the problem are pretty unachievable

Winnie:-)

[Md Records]

In my opinion "Margaret Littles" is an interesting piece of Detroit Soul, to which I have my own theory (please feel free to add any constructive thoughts). John Anderson pretty well had a lot of stuff off Popcorn Wylie, and then subsequently others followed(e.g Guy Hennigan) yet nobody turned up a copy? Someone then commented to me about the vocal, saying that "Popcorn" would never have used a vocalist this poor, with all the talent literally on his doorstep, whch, if you forget the superb backing and concentrate on the vocals, it's no Pat Lewis/Martha Starr/Rose Batiste!! Now in BASIC financial terms there are Two ways of having a record released, the company records you, or you pay them to record you, often referred to as a "custom" record (e.g. The Vondells, on "Airtowns" custom subsidiary) and you therefore get the number of discs you paid for and f*** off with them. I think that Margaret did just that, hence, apparently no copies at the Wylie household, as he was paid to do a job.

As far as New discoveries go, the "Two Plus Two" on "Velgo" was a surprise when I first heard & saw it about 5 Years ago, now how did that one remain hidden!

Des Parker

[Guest Trevski]

Fine.

But is this record something that pretty much everyone, DJ, collector or punter would know and rave about and it then become a scene anthem as it were?

What were the last biggies to qualify in that sense? Don't forget my origional question; were they completly unknown etc?

KTF.

Drew.

Joe Jamma??

[Jumpinjoan]

I'm probably alone on this one... but i think Joe Jamma and Margaret Little are truly awful records... sorry but they are!

Edited September 16, 2006 by jumpinjoan

[Drew3]

Thanks for the interest in the thread folks.

The reason why I asked the question was that a year ago or so I was in conversation with a local DJ who said something like "the only last big discovery was George Pep's The Feeling Is Real.

Now I think this is the artiste and record. If it isn't and this in no way was a Big discovery in the sense of the thread, then I apologize for my crap memory .

If my memory on the record and artiste isn't wrong then does this fit the bill?

KTF.

Drew.

[Simon T]

Thanks for the interest in the thread folks.

The reason why I asked the question was that a year ago or so I was in conversation with a local DJ who said something like "the only last big discovery was George Pep's The Feeling Is Real.

Now I think this is the artiste and record. If it isn't and this in no way was a Big discovery in the sense of the thread, then I apologize for my crap memory .

If my memory on the record and artiste isn't wrong then does this fit the bill?

KTF.

Drew.

GP has been 'discovered' for donkey's years, not sure exactly when it was first played (by Ian Clarke?), but I have had it on tape for 19+ years.

[Dave Rimmer]

I'm probably alone on this one... but i think Joe Jamma and Margaret Little are truly awful records... sorry but they are!

You're not alone on the Joe Jama. It truly is an awful record !

[Guest 50box]

You're not alone on the Joe Jama. It truly is an awful record !

Stone him :tomato2:

[Mark Bicknell]

I'm probably alone on this one... but i think Joe Jamma and Margaret Little are truly awful records... sorry but they are!

Dito Joan, often the hype in the cold light of day is infact bigger than the records.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

[Drew3]

GP has been 'discovered' for donkey's years, not sure exactly when it was first played (by Ian Clarke?), but I have had it on tape for 19+ years.

Fair enough Simon.

I wasn't sure if that was the record I should have been using as an example.

I'll have to ask the guy what record he was referring to.

KTF.

Drew.

[Modernsoulsucks]

Butch sent me a tape around mid 80's with some stuff to listen to that he thought were OK. Mello Souls was on it, and recently I've heard that "Teenage Prayer" 45 getting spins so that's only taken 20 years!!

If we're talking tracks that have gone overground recently that weren't played previously as opposed to known about by a few collectors then I'd submit the Pat & Blenders track which I pretty much hear everywhere now. Likewise maybe Sugar & Spices,Dottie & Millie.

A track on Butch's tape that as far as I know has not had it's day but which I think is the next Delegates of Soul is the Mark III on Stop.

Im not up with the modern stuff but from reaction of people on this site could that Ellipsis be latest big discovery. Apologies if it turns out to have been played at Thorne!!

ROD

[Ged Parker]

Can I suggest Mixed Feelings - Sha-la-la

[Cunnie]

Can I suggest Mixed Feelings - Sha-la-la

Great record

Been chasing this for a couple of years but now Sam's playing it it's gone way out of my price range.

[Guest ruppy]

Joe Jamer .when djs like soul sam,butch,mick h,tim brown,arthur fenn,to name a few who spin it,and allways get a packed floor.

there must be somthing good aboat this fantastic discovery .i wouid say fantastic rather than awful .

now put the five royals ,catch that teardrop .now thats what you call awful pure poop,

mandy

[Jumpinjoan]

Joe Jamer .when djs like soul sam,butch,mick h,tim brown,arthur fenn,to name a few who spin it,and allways get a packed floor.

there must be somthing good aboat this fantastic discovery .i wouid say fantastic rather than awful .

now put the five royals ,catch that teardrop .now thats what you call awful pure poop,

mandy

It's doggy poo ... very very runny doggy poo at that!... but that's just my opinion.

Just because soul sam,butch,mick h,tim brown,arthur fenn like it... doesn't mean i have to.

[Guest Andy BB]

It's doggy poo ... very very runny doggy poo at that!... but that's just my opinion.

Just because soul sam,butch,mick h,tim brown,arthur fenn like it... doesn't mean i have to.

Shocking!

I'm astounded. No matter what your usual taste in soul that record is just so.... sweet. The uplifting lyrics the bouncy happy tune, the wonderful sentiment.

Perhaps I shouldn't have dropped that last E....

great record.

[Chalky]

GP has been 'discovered' for donkey's years, not sure exactly when it was first played (by Ian Clarke?), but I have had it on tape for 19+ years.

George Sharp at Warrington Parr Hall?

[Guest hammy]

I always thought George Pepp a late wigan spin!

hammy

[Gasher]

Can I suggest Mixed Feelings - Sha-la-la

yes you can suggest it and I'll second it..

[Dave Rimmer]

Joe Jamer .when djs like soul sam,butch,mick h,tim brown,arthur fenn,to name a few who spin it,and allways get a packed floor.

there must be somthing good aboat this fantastic discovery .i wouid say fantastic rather than awful .

now put the five royals ,catch that teardrop .now thats what you call awful pure poop,

mandy

I'm sorry Mandy,

I didn't realise that if Soul Sam, Butch, Mick H, Tim Brown, and Arthur Fenn liked a record that we all have to.

I bow to your infinitely superior judgement and will rush out tomorrow to buy a copy of 'Joe Jamer'.

Anything else you'd care to mention that I have to like as well ?

[Maria O]

I didn't realise that if Soul Sam, Butch, Mick H, Tim Brown, and Arthur Fenn liked a record that we all have to.

I thought she only said that Joe Jama packed dancefloors and that they played it, not that we should be sheep . Personally, I think it's horrid and the high pitched instrument sounds like someone scrapping their nails down a chalkboard. I've begged two of those lads NOT the play the ruddy thing, but indecent people keep requesting it and dancing to it, so these misguided men think they are doing a good job if people actually dance to their sets!

...good taste -> shame you can't bottle it

m

[Jumpinjoan]

Shocking!

I'm astounded. No matter what your usual taste in soul that record is just so.... sweet. The uplifting lyrics the bouncy happy tune, the wonderful sentiment.

Perhaps I shouldn't have dropped that last E....

great record.

Anyway... here's the man himself... it's the cover of his latest album... called 'MY LIFE'... get this and you can save a few quid.

Plus you get loads of extra goodies... get a load of this lot...

1. Night Train 2. Hopeless Case 3. My Life 4. What's Goin' On 5. Ooh Pooh Pah-Doo 6. When Something Is Wrong With My Baby 7. Come And Get Your Love 8. Mustang Sally 9. What Does It Take (To Win Your Love) 10. Sleep Late My Lady Friend

...... SWEET

[Cheltsoulnights]

Occasionaly on here posters will refer to 'the next big discovery' or 'the next big thing'.

But what were the last big discoveries? What and when were they?

Were they 'never been heard on the scene before (ever) tunes' or were they simply re-activated oldies that had never had much play the first time around?

Is there a consensus as to what was the last big discovery?

KTF.

Drew.

well if it doesn't include coverups

gotta be Margaret little by a mile

[Greg Belson]

Is anybody up on the Jean Johnson Singers 45 on Hummingbird?