I want the company sleeve

[Kegsy]

I can't believe this,  sold a record on discogs, the discogs listing has a picture of said record in a company sleeve, the picture shows against all the copies that are for sale. The buyer has taken the hump because when his record arrived it was not in the company sleeve !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. My list didn't say anything about a company sleeve, ffs what is the world coming to ?. To be honest I didn't even know the label was distributed by the company (Bell) whos sleeve it was supposed to be in.

[Hammie]

Sleeves are gonna be the next rarity !!!!! and watch out for those repros !!!!!!

I think I should suggest to 'Manny' to get the rights and publish a 'Rare sleeves & Repros'  book/price guide 

What do ya think.... it's another specialist subject for the anal NS collector - paper quality, text type, colour, seam width

glue type, centre hole diameter it's all there for authentication or counterfeit !!!!!

Some of these sleeves are being sold for $15 to $20 now, you have been warned, in a couple of years they'll be going for.......................        

[Steve Plumb]

I can't believe this,  sold a record on discogs, the discogs listing has a picture of said record in a company sleeve, the picture shows against all the copies that are for sale. The buyer has taken the hump because when his record arrived it was not in the company sleeve !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. My list didn't say anything about a company sleeve, ffs what is the world coming to ?. To be honest I didn't even know the label was distributed by the company (Bell) whos sleeve it was supposed to be in.

I had summat similar, even though i marked the sleeve as 'generic' the buyer wanted to know where the company sleeve was from the picture?

I did actually find one and sent it to him (through gritted teeth)

Most folks understand it but there'll always be one (probably the same guy?)

Cheers

Steve

[Sunnysoul]

A little off topic but Mr Manship currently has on auction a Unique Blend on Eastbound and in his listing the record is sitting in an orange Janus sleeve. (see below).

I stand to be corrected but I've never seen an Eastbound -   or Westbound record for that matter -   in a Janus sleeve.

Obviously Westbound had its own dedicated sleeve, but not Eastbound.

Has anyone ever seen an Eastbound record in a Janus sleeve?

[Guest trickbag]

Probably put them in their own selves because they

were the distributors for westbound.

ricky.

[Jeffking]

The sleeve is correct , Eastbound did not have it's own label but was a label distributed by Janus Records.

Going back on topic DISCOGS standards expect records to have the appropriate sleeve (picture or company , it depends on the attached picture) and even has a grading system to be applied.  GENERIC is one of those options and this is where the problems start !  For a long while I took this to mean a PLAIN sleeve such as a white paper or card sleeve and NOT a company sleeve and listed accordingly.    

Apparently not although many, like me , disagree!  

This term relates to the company sleeve appropriate for the record.  I'm too far into listing my catalogue to change now so I always comment in the description field PLAIN white (or card) sleeve.  Even then I've fallen foul of the perfectionist who expects the picture sleeve because it is shown in the photograph attached.

 

[soulster22]

Remember seeing a sam fletcher I'd think it Over on Tollie sleeve only selling on ebay for £350.00 + !!!!!

 

absolute madness

Edited September 10, 2015 by soulster22

[Guest johnny hart]

Yes I am a sad anorak,and company sleeves,picture covers are vital sod the muzak,always email sellers to check,{generic,thought was in your DNAor your jeans,La Ciruela can understand your confusion being a thick Lancastrian like me! } LOL  Johnny

[Mr Smithy]

Remember seeing a sam fletcher I'd think it Over on Tollie sleeve only selling on ebay for £350.00 + !!!!!

 

absolute madness

There are several picture sleeve collectors out there who aren't fussed whether it's got a 45 in there or not.

This is one that always seems to me to be slightly over the top.
https://collectorsfrenzy.com/search?q=George+Martin+sleeve&so=p

Not sure company sleeves will ever get really silly but who knows
 

[Mike Lofthouse]

That's the problem with Discogs - what you see is not necessarily what you get - you have to dig down and read the description very carefully.  Also after doing all that you will often find that there is not always a copy for sale of the 'variation' you want.....

[grouse]

I'm struggling to understand this.... I've never used discogs, but is everyone saying that the photographs of the records are not of the actual records for sale and are lifted from somewhere else? Is there a reason that you can't use photos of the actual records?

If that's the case then I'm glad I don't buy from it.

[Guest Speedjive]

I'm struggling to understand this.... I've never used discogs, but is everyone saying that the photographs of the records are not of the actual records for sale and are lifted from somewhere else? Is there a reason that you can't use photos of the actual records?

If that's the case then I'm glad I don't buy from it.

Grouse, Discogs is a database of releases where users can add an image/images and soundfiles - usually an embedded youtube vid for each release - which will have it's own release page. There maybe several copies of a certain release for sale -  follow link below as an example

https://www.discogs.com/sell/release/3878121?ev=rb

 

Then you just choose which overpriced copy best suits your requirements.

 

[grouse]

Speedjive, thanks for the link. I understand now.

Like Amazon but for records.

[Ady Of Newark]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BELL-REPRODUCTION-RECORD-COMPANY-SLEEVES-pack-of-10-/181155903891?hash=item2a2dbbb993

[Chris L]

I can't believe this,  sold a record on discogs, the discogs listing has a picture of said record in a company sleeve, the picture shows against all the copies that are for sale. The buyer has taken the hump because when his record arrived it was not in the company sleeve !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. My list didn't say anything about a company sleeve, ffs what is the world coming to ?. To be honest I didn't even know the label was distributed by the company (Bell) whos sleeve it was supposed to be in.

You're a bad man Kegsy, your poor customer will now have nightmares leading to a massive life of depression, send him a Bell sleeve............ 

[Mellorful]

I can't believe this,  sold a record on discogs, the discogs listing has a picture of said record in a company sleeve, the picture shows against all the copies that are for sale. The buyer has taken the hump because when his record arrived it was not in the company sleeve !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. My list didn't say anything about a company sleeve, ffs what is the world coming to ?. To be honest I didn't even know the label was distributed by the company (Bell) whos sleeve it was supposed to be in.

You could have said the generic sleeve is standard but if you want the company sleeve that is £3 extra.

When I buy a record my expectation is a generic sleeve as standard, a company sleeve is a bonus and I buy a fair few records off discogs; so am I setting the buyers bar too low? 

[Kegsy]

You're a bad man Kegsy, your poor customer will now have nightmares leading to a massive life of depression, send him a Bell sleeve............ 

I don't have one

[Steve Plumb]

{La Ciruela can understand your confusion being a thick Lancastrian like me! } LOL  Johnny

Buena esa Johnny :-)

[Steve Plumb]

That's the problem with Discogs - what you see is not necessarily what you get - you have to dig down and read the description very carefully.  Also after doing all that you will often find that there is not always a copy for sale of the 'variation' you want.....

Off topic but that drives me mad as a buyer too Mike!

As a seller, if i have a 'variation' for sale, i usually make a new listing

It bugs me when sellers put say 'white demo' against an issue, instead of listing it separately. Even worse if there is already a white demo on the database and it's just the seller being lazy

x

[Steve Plumb]

That's the problem with Discogs - what you see is not necessarily what you get - you have to dig down and read the description very carefully

off topic again.......this is very important too when buying on discogs. The more info given by the seller, the better

x

[Kegsy]

Off topic but that drives me mad as a buyer too Mike!

As a seller, if i have a 'variation' for sale, i usually make a new listing

It bugs me when sellers put say 'white demo' against an issue, instead of listing it separately. Even worse if there is already a white demo on the database and it's just the seller being lazy

x

I just "report" the item in cases like that.

[Steve Plumb]

Going back on topic DISCOGS standards expect records to have the appropriate sleeve (picture or company , it depends on the attached picture) and even has a grading system to be applied.  GENERIC is one of those options and this is where the problems start !  For a long while I took this to mean a PLAIN sleeve such as a white paper or card sleeve and NOT a company sleeve and listed accordingly.    

Apparently not although many, like me , disagree!  

This term relates to the company sleeve appropriate for the record.  I'm too far into listing my catalogue to change now so I always comment in the description field PLAIN white (or card) sleeve.  Even then I've fallen foul of the perfectionist who expects the picture sleeve because it is shown in the photograph attached.

I take 'generic' to mean 'plain sleeve' Jeff?

I think most buyers know this too BUT as we've seen, some expect the sleeve to be as the picture?

Here's the discogs official description-

Generic

Within the context of grading items in the Discogs Marketplace, the term "generic" refers to a type of sleeve that is not specific to the release. A generic sleeve is either a plain sleeve or a company sleeve with standard company artwork. A sleeve that is graded as "generic" needs no further grading, as a generic sleeve generally adds little value to the item and can be easily replaced. Sellers can further specify a generic sleeve's condition in the “Item condition comment” field if needed. A seller can also note if the sleeve is a company sleeve in the “Item condition comment” field.

Cheers

Steve

[Robbk]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BELL-REPRODUCTION-RECORD-COMPANY-SLEEVES-pack-of-10-/181155903891?hash=item2a2dbbb993

I've got enough extra Amy-Mla-Bell sleeves, as well as Fire, Fury, VJ, Specialty, King. Federal, DeLuxe, Bethlehem, Era, Chess, USA, Atlantic, Motown, Jubilee-Josie Group, Jamie and Jamie-Guyden, CIRCA, ARDCO, Scepter, Wand, End, Gone. and really, all the '60s, and many of the common '50s 45 sleeves.  But, I would like it immensely, if I could get some of the rarer 1950s sleeves, like Flair, RPM, Modern, Crown, Aladdin, Jubilee, Gee, Rama, etc., AND if someone could make them for labels that never had any company sleeves, like Old Town, Prestige, Apollo, Sue, Symbol, Money, Cash, Savoy, Dore, Hollywood, Recorded in Hollywood, Parrot, Chance, United, States, Music City, Solid Hitbound Productions, Golden World, Ric Tic, Wingate, MAH's, D-Town, Wheelsville USA, Oneder-ful, Mar-V-Lus, M-Pac, Zodiac, Aquarius, Fortune, Hi-Q, Lupine, Bruce, Keen, SAR, Derby, Baton, Glory, Ebb, Arvee, Mira, Mirwood, Keymen, Master Key Productions, Renee, Ran-Dee, Magnum, HASA, etc., and every other label that never had company sleeves, but I have more than 10 recods of, and their distributors dodn't have distributor company sleeves.

Edited September 13, 2015 by RobbK

[Bigwheel]

I can't believe this,  sold a record on discogs, the discogs listing has a picture of said record in a company sleeve, the picture shows against all the copies that are for sale. The buyer has taken the hump because when his record arrived it was not in the company sleeve !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. My list didn't say anything about a company sleeve, ffs what is the world coming to ?. To be honest I didn't even know the label was distributed by the company (Bell) whos sleeve it was supposed to be in.

Hmmm,I'm sure you won't like my view on this.  I know you are right in the purity of what you say, but if I saw an "actual record" advertised in it's company sleeve.  I'd expect it to be delivered that way.. Feels "a tad" misleading to present it that way and not deliver it that way.  

[Hammie]

Hmmm,I'm sure you won't like my view on this.  I know you are right in the purity of what you say, but if I saw an "actual record" advertised in it's company sleeve.  I'd expect it to be delivered that way.. Feels "a tad" misleading to present it that way and not deliver it that way.  

Quite agree,unless seller says 'sorry this item does not come with company sleeve displayed'

[Kegsy]

Hmmm,I'm sure you won't like my view on this.  I know you are right in the purity of what you say, but if I saw an "actual record" advertised in it's company sleeve.  I'd expect it to be delivered that way.. Feels "a tad" misleading to present it that way and not deliver it that way.  

The problem is discogs ONLY allows one picture of the item. Any subsequent sales listings use the same picture, a seller can't add another picture for the item he actually has for sale, so there is no other way to present it. Also I list items for sale that don't have a picture, but this does not mean somebody can't add a picture later, which would then be shown on the sales listing page. It would be better, not just for sleeves but also writing on labels, stickers etc, if sellers could add their own picture or remove the original one from their sales listings. 

[Kegsy]

Quite agree,unless seller says 'sorry this item does not come with company sleeve displayed'

I will do that in future, but I ain't changing 100's of listings, I will also watch out when things are ordered and send an appropriate message regarding sleeve.

[Steve Plumb]

I just "report" the item in cases like that.

Good man, that's how it should be done, i agree!

Discogs is easy enough to list stuff, so no excuse for it imho

x

[Bigwheel]

The problem is discogs ONLY allows one picture of the item. Any subsequent sales listings use the same picture, a seller can't add another picture for the item he actually has for sale, so there is no other way to present it. Also I list items for sale that don't have a picture, but this does not mean somebody can't add a picture later, which would then be shown on the sales listing page. It would be better, not just for sleeves but also writing on labels, stickers etc, if sellers could add their own picture or remove the original one from their sales listings. 

ah, I didn't realise that. I have sympathy for you then.  You'll need to state sleeve etc clearly in the future to avoid future hassle...good luck

[John Benson]

I've also had similar problems with sellers on Discogs - selling the wrong record in relation to the listing, i.e. a demo when it's listed as an issue and the other way around, and sometimes even from a completely different country to the one listed!

I do realise that some records were probably listed for sale before the correct one was later created and although you could say it's the seller's fault for not creating a listing to match the one they have for sale, I find creating a new entry on there from scratch hard work and can appreciate not all of the sellers have the time to do that. But at the very least they could include in the comments what the differences are, including mentioning if the correct sleeve (where appropriate) is included. Of course, some actually do that already.

I've now resorted to asking any questions about the record in the order extra information / comments box when placing the order - if it really matters to me. But it is a pain having to do to it and I've STILL had the wrong record sent because the seller never saw my question. I have asked twice in some cases if they sent an invoice without confirming my query!

I reckon it's the Discogs system that's the problem, although it can be great for separating out all the different variations that can exist in a record to make a more accurate database - it's probably not the easiest to understand when creating an entry. I have a feeling that the selling of an item has been added as an afterthought to just creating the database.