Wikipedia - Northern Soul

[Simsy]

I think Wikipedia is a great service on the web.

I read their definition of northern soul and was quite impressed. Bit unsure about the blue beat thing though ..

What d'yer reckon ..? Wikipedia - Northern Soul

shane, have you done this one before? If so feel free to delete.

[Simsy]

Just clicked 'discussion' at top of the page. I'd say Oswald Glinkmeyer wasn't from these shores.

I wouldn't recommend this article to anyone as it stands. The reference to northern USA is plain misleading, right at the start (though I understand the writer may be trying to convey the flavour of much NS by referring to Motown, Detroit, Chicago).

"Northern" = northern UK, as pointed out, and besides, heaps of songs deemed "Northern Soul" are from southern states anyway, or even from outside the US. And can you say it's a "musical style"? It's like saying "British Invasion" is a musical style. I'd rewrite, but it'd be good to see some more discussion here first.

Simon & Andy sound like they could be ss'ers..

[Cunnie]

I think Wikipedia is a great service on the web.

I read their definition of northern soul and was quite impressed. Bit unsure about the blue beat thing though ..

What d'yer reckon ..? Wikipedia - Northern Soul

shane, have you done this one before? If so feel free to delete.

Agreed Ian.

Wikipedia a great service & a good general description of the Northern scene.

Fair description of the Modern scene too IMO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_soul

[Diggin' Dave]

Yeah, pretty good description imo (not perfect, but good enough)

I used this text for an oral exam on northern soul a few months ago and i passed the course so it probably ain't that bad

I have to say that my fellow students were very impressed with the 'ultra rare' Fascinations and Velvelettes 45s i brought as an example.

[Simsy]

Yeah, pretty good description imo (not perfect, but good enough)

I used this text for an oral exam on northern soul a few months ago and i passed the course so it probably ain't that bad

I have to say that my fellow students were very impressed with the 'ultra rare' Fascinations and Velvelettes 45s i brought as an example.

Woss with the Blue Beat though do you think? Or should we put that down to Wigan ..?

[Soulsmith]

"Top of the World drew small crowds by Wigan Casino standards, and it eschewed the 'pop' northern soul "

I never went..did it?

[Diggin' Dave]

Woss with the Blue Beat though do you think? Or should we put that down to Wigan ..?

The thing about the blue beat wasn't in the description a few months ago i think (wikipedia descriptions can be altered by anyone, anytime...), and if it was in the description i probably left it out.

[Simsy]

The thing about the blue beat wasn't in the description a few months ago i think (wikipedia descriptions can be altered by anyone, anytime...), and if it was in the description i probably left it out.

It's not gonna keep me up nights. But as you seem to be in the know about Wikipedia etc, could/would you edit out the blue beat thing? If it's do-able as you say. As already mentioned it's not a bad description (otherwise) of the scene's history.

Nothing against Blue Beat like, I quite like it. Just has cock all to do with northern. Bit like the Jam.

[Diggin' Dave]

Done...

if there are any objections, give me a good reason to re-edit

[Simsy]

Done...if there are any objections, give me a good reason to re-edit

Looks better without blue beat mention.

'By 1970, British performers were recording numbers for this market' This line threw me a bit, if this is a reference to Wigans Chosen Few and the like, were'nt they later than 70'?

[Guest WPaulVanDyk]

very lucky to think the site did it right on what is told about Northern soul.

However people don't realize it is written by anyone so any articles written could be false. anyone of us could go onto that site log in and edit the Northern soul post to add more to it and mods would check to see if it be ok.

[Guest mel brat]

Yeah, pretty good description imo (not perfect, but good enough)

I used this text for an oral exam on northern soul a few months ago and i passed the course so it probably ain't that bad

I have to say that my fellow students were very impressed with the 'ultra rare' Fascinations and Velvelettes 45s i brought as an example.

Yes but what a pity both of these sides were reissued in 1971 - not 1970 as stated...

Edited March 4, 2007 by mel brat

[Guest mel brat]

very lucky to think the site did it right on what is told about Northern soul.

However people don't realize it is written by anyone so any articles written could be false. anyone of us could go onto that site log in and edit the Northern soul post to add more to it and mods would check to see if it be ok.

Yes, it's very vague in parts. Obviously written by someone too young to have been around in 1970/71!

[Guest mel brat]

Done...

if there are any objections, give me a good reason to re-edit

As I read it, the Blue Beat refererence is in relation to 60's Mods, NOT the Northern Soul Scene or latter day mod-revivalists. Both Ska and Reggae were popular during the transitional period (of 'Mod' into "Skinhead') C.1968/69, so perhaps this is what was meant.

[FrankM]

Looks better without blue beat mention.

'By 1970, British performers were recording numbers for this market' This line threw me a bit, if this is a reference to Wigans Chosen Few and the like, were'nt they later than 70'?

This is what is frustrating about the article. By the late sixties and inspired by the 1969 Motown chart revival a number of UK producers were having hits with Motown and soul inspired material. Some by covering soul songs Everlasting Love for example and others by writing their own e.g Tony McCaulay and Build me up Buttercup. But these were written for and bought by mainstream pop fans and possibly regulars ar their local Mecca Ballroom. Thye were not written for the relatively small Northern scene.

[Guest]

Why does anybody need a description,we all have our own take on it and a standard description dont do it no justice get out instead of googling it, i dont give a arse what the outside world makes it,i live it.........i know i`ll stop in this weekend and fukc about on me computor instead of going out and keeping it alive.

[Simsy]

i dont give a arse what the outside world makes it,

[Guest Matt Male]

I like this bit...

'Northern soul is among the most expensive of musical genres to collect.'

Tell me about it....

Not bad on the whole. Anyone know who write it?

Edited March 4, 2007 by Matt Male

[Guest]

I like this bit...

'Northern soul is among the most expensive of musical genres to collect.'

Tell me about it....

Not bad on the whole. Anyone know who write it?

John Manship

[Guest WPaulVanDyk]

Not bad for someone who wants to find out more but i bet someone easierly here could write it better if wanted. the site does have lots of articles that go onto things releated aswell

[Guest mel brat]

Sorry! replied to the wrong post!

Edited March 5, 2007 by mel brat

[Guest mel brat]

i dont give a arse what the outside world makes (of) it...

Good for you. Unfortunately the outside world doesn't give an arse for your opinion either, or anyone else on the soul scene apparently - hence the debacle over the recent "Soul Britannia" TV programme. As I've said before, if the information is already out there, let's at least make sure it's as accurate as possible, before some half-baked TV researcher uses it as a further source of reference!

[Guest]

Good for you. Unfortunately the outside world doesn't give an arse for your opinion either, or anyone else on the soul scene apparently - hence the debacle over the recent "Soul Britannia" TV programme. As I've said before, if the information is already out there, let's at least make sure it's as accurate as possible, before some half-baked TV researcher uses it as a further source of reference!

I dont care,your being stupid Mel i was just being honest and there is no one description fits all and why would any wanna`research n/soul,like i said........i live it,and i still dont give a arse.And its pretty obvious i dont give a arse what the outside world think,and i would rather have half baked programs keeps the outside outside or make and research our own programs.I dont wanna` live my life in a film set i just wanna` go out and try to dance.

[Bazza]

In the early days of the scene late 60s,bluebeat and ska,were played alongside soul.

Northern soul had not at that time been defined as a genre,still part of this scene tho' or was.I don't think it should forgotten

Bazza

Edited March 5, 2007 by bazza

[Simsy]

As stated further up thread, believe any that want to can amend the listing if they feel it is inaccurate.

[Guest mel brat]

I dont care,your being stupid Mel i was just being honest and there is no one description fits all and why would any wanna`research n/soul,like i said........i live it,and i still dont give a arse.And its pretty obvious i dont give a arse what the outside world think,and i would rather have half baked programs keeps the outside outside or make and research our own programs.I dont wanna` live my life in a film set i just wanna` go out and try to dance.

How nice to live such a sheltered life! While were all out "living it" though, other people who are not actually involved are busy writing our lifestyle into the history books and misrepresenting the whole thing in the process. We saw what happened in 1975 when the media got hold of the Northern Soul story and turned it into a money making circus with Wigan's Ovation et.al. Glad you're happy to be airbrushed out of the picture of your own life, cos I sure ain't!

Edited March 7, 2007 by mel brat