Uncovering Cover-ups

[Guest ShaneH]

being a nipper on the scene i was not around when set lists were full of cover-ups. i am fully aware that lots of the great records we all love now were cover-ups to begin with.

i would like to hear some stories of great records being 'un-covered' with details of who and when and how etc. Was it the done thing to un-cover songs or would you contact the person playing the cover up first?

anyone got any stories?

cheers

Shane

[Guest Baz]

Good thread Shane, i would really like to know the story behind the al scott/mr soul cover up

[Guest]

didnt uncover it..

john manship played a female named..circulate..

john said it was a world exclusive..

i cracked it within 10 seconds..

there was a very good reason why it sounded like billy paul..

as for johns rescue me cover up..i never did uncover that,even though i did get myself a copy

8=)

bless

jc

the messiah of northern soul

[Guest Awake 502]

didnt uncover it..

john manship played a female named..circulate..

john said it was a world exclusive..

i cracked it within 10 seconds..

there was a very good reason why it sounded like billy paul..

as for johns rescue me cover up..i never did uncover that,even though i did get myself a copy

8=)

bless

jc

the messiah of northern soul

Ha ha, yes played at the wrong speed.....

[SteveM]

didnt uncover it..

john manship played a female named..circulate..

john said it was a world exclusive..

i cracked it within 10 seconds..

there was a very good reason why it sounded like billy paul..

as for johns rescue me cover up..i never did uncover that,even though i did get myself a copy

8=)

bless

jc

the messiah of northern soul

Ann Perry cover up. Played at the wrong speed

[Simsy]

Shane, Don't know if you remember this, or if content is of interest to you; >C/U thread 15/11/05<

[Quinvy]

Shane, Don't know if you remember this, or if content is of interest to you; >C/U thread 15/11/05<

Yep! just re-read the old cover up thread, and Ged Parker & Chalky put it to bed perfectly last time out. I.M.H.O.

If you play a great tune that's unknown, you will get other DJ's rushing up to the stage to look at the label, and demanding to see it. That's a fact. It happens everytime. In fact I do it myself.

Long live the C/U, and long live the rare soul scene.

Phil.

[Simsy]

Yep! just re-read the old cover up thread, and Ged Parker & Chalky put it to bed perfectly last time out. I.M.H.O.

If you play a great tune that's unknown, you will get other DJ's rushing up to the stage to look at the label, and demanding to see it. That's a fact. It happens everytime. In fact I do it myself.

Long live the C/U, and long live the rare soul scene.

Phil.

Yep I think you're spot on with that post Phil. Hell, I even like the bold writing.

[Guest ShaneH]

phil seems confused by the original question in my post.

i have added the important paragraph again below...

i would like to hear some stories of great records being 'un-covered' with details of who and when and how etc. Was it the done thing to un-cover songs or would you contact the person playing the cover up first?

anyone got any stories regarding the 'uncovering' of the big tunes?

cheers

Shane

[Quinvy]

phil seems confused by the original question in my post.

i have added the important paragraph again below...

i would like to hear some stories of great records being 'un-covered' with details of who and when and how etc. Was it the done thing to un-cover songs or would you contact the person playing the cover up first?

anyone got any stories regarding the 'uncovering' of the big tunes?

cheers

Shane

Aye, you're right Shane, apologies for that. I do know the identity of a few cover up's, but I would never let them out of the bag. I'm just grateful that there are still people who are willing to spend endless hours, and endless amounts of money in search of more hidden treasures. All power to them. Without them there would be no scene left.

[soulsalmon]

being a nipper on the scene i was not around when set lists were full of cover-ups. i am fully aware that lots of the great records we all love now were cover-ups to begin with.

i would like to hear some stories of great records being 'un-covered' with details of who and when and how etc. Was it the done thing to un-cover songs or would you contact the person playing the cover up first?

anyone got any stories?

cheers

Shane

Remeber searling raving about an acetate he'd just got ,right at the start of stafford,def one off,played it out first time as eddie holman and my mate Duncan Kay from halifax telling him after his spot "i got two of that phonetics thing off Dave Raistrick about 6 months ago £2 each His expression was priceless

[Jumpinjoan]

I remember being stood talking to Ady Harley at Stafford when Keb came on shouting dance ya basss .... LOU PRIDE.....'THRICE'...ya bassss.. (Hayes Cotton - Black Wings)..

Ady turned round to me and said.... "I'm sure i've got this at home somewhere... it's bollocks!"

Top lad Ady.... but God didn't you just hate him when he did that!!

Pretty sure he swapped it a couple of weeks later... can't remember what he got for it.... think the Shufflers might have been one... not 100% though..

[soulsalmon]

I remember being stood talking to Ady Harley at Stafford when Keb came on shouting dance ya basss .... LOU PRIDE.....'THRICE'...ya bassss.. (Hayes Cotton - Black Wings)..

Ady turned round to me and said.... "I'm sure i've got this at home somewhere... it's bollocks!"

Top lad Ady.... but God didn't you just hate him when he did that!!

Pretty sure he swapped it a couple of weeks later... can't remember what he got for it.... think the Shufflers might have been one... not 100% though..

indeed a top lad ,remamber him getting a larry laster for a fiver off a big list,when it was massive(yorkshire git,had a baby face and manships buisness sense)Is he in oz now Joan?

[Jumpinjoan]

indeed a top lad ,remamber him getting a larry laster for a fiver off a big list,when it was massive(yorkshire git,had a baby face and manships buisness sense)Is he in oz now Joan?

Yes... he was over in Manchester a couple of months ago for Alan Darkers wedding.. didn't see him though.

Did see him at the Stafford reunion though... hasn't changed a bit... TOP LAD!!

Ady's one of the people i should thank... or is that curse... for sealing my fate on the soul scene. It was one of his tapes that started me on this road i'm still on today!!

Funny enough.... Larry Laster was on that tape!!

[soulsalmon]

Yes... he was over in Manchester a couple of months ago for Alan Darkers wedding.. didn't see him though.

Did see him at the Stafford reunion though... hasn't changed a bit... TOP LAD!!

Ady's one of the people i should thank... or is that curse... for sealing my fate on the soul scene. It was one of his tapes that started me on this road i'm still on today!!

Funny enough.... Larry Laster was on that tape!!

remember buying my oracles offButch at stafford,when gary still had it covered(£25!)and asking "do i have to keep it covered" "do what the f*** you want with it ,you just paid for it ,i've got another two" and later covering "love in my heart" as the ambassadors myself and nobody twigged

[Guest]

indeed a top lad ,remamber him getting a larry laster for a fiver off a big list,when it was massive(yorkshire git,had a baby face and manships buisness sense)Is he in oz now Joan?

have an email address for Ady if you think he'd like a hello from you

[soulsalmon]

have an email address for Ady if you think he'd like a hello from you

pm it please Kirsty,it'llbe shock to him that i'm still alive,had a nice chat with kellet after lewis gave him my no

[michael-j]

a nice little account of the uncovering of one of the most famous JA cover ups, must have been in the late 50s when Prince Buster worked for Coxsone...

(from https://www.bluejuice.org.au/subpage12.html)

Prince Buster recounts a story from the days when he was a deputy-operator for Coxsone Dodd. The tale centres around a record that was the signature tune of Coxsone's 'Downbeat' sound system. With the label scratched off, only Dodd's men knew its true title of the track. Rival DJs, including Duke Reid, had tried for years to locate the song in the States. One day, Reid walked up to Buster in the street and said simply "Later For Gator": "I told Coxsone that Duke have the tune and him say, 'No'. Duke played out that night and we went to listen to him, and when Duke put out the tune, Coxsone pass out."

[Guest Darks]

Ann Perry cover up. Played at the wrong speed

It's Billy Paul "Let the dollar circulate" PIR which came out on a 33rpm EP called Philly Freebie, also on an album.

A mate of mine played it out the other week at a bar we DJ at in Manchester. Must say it sounded great well worth digging out if you like 70s philly.

The best uncovering of a cover up was carried out inadvertingly by Alexis Korner on his Sunday night radio one show, around 1981.

Richard Searling was playing a record under the cover of "taking a chance" by Williams and Watson. This was an uptempo 60s record or sounded like one.

The Alexis Korner show was on Sunday nights from I think about 7pm. This was essential listening for me. Alexis played blues based music which incorpatated soul and funk. I think it was about the second record into his show when on comes the said Williams and Watson tune. Needless to say I stirred from my post allnighter inertia and waited with interest for Alexis to annouce who the track was by.

It was of course the Lamont Cracktone Band and was a relatively new release by a white blues band. Got the album somewhere, it also came out on a 45. I suspect this would sound pony now. I liked it at the time but to be honest Alexis Korner played alot better reocords that night on his show.

Regards Alan

[Modernsoulsucks]

Baz, I found Mr. Soul in a shop in Baltimore late 80's/beginning of 90's when it was still covered as Maurice McAllister. Just in a pile of 45s that looked interesting. Think Brownie bought it off me. I obviously told everybody I knew.

I don't remember Richard having Phoenetics on an acetate as Dave Withers and I played it first at Stafford. Got that and Monique from a mate in LA. Think we covered Monique up but can't remember about Phoenetics.

ROD

[Speedlimit]

Baz, I found Mr. Soul in a shop in Baltimore late 80's/beginning of 90's when it was still covered as Maurice McAllister. Just in a pile of 45s that looked interesting. Think Brownie bought it off me. I obviously told everybody I knew.

I don't remember Richard having Phoenetics on an acetate as Dave Withers and I played it first at Stafford. Got that and Monique from a mate in LA. Think we covered Monique up but can't remember about Phoenetics.

ROD

remember moniquie being covered as martha starr can also remember when keb first played roy hamilton " you shook me up " as milt grayson at notts palias and i was buying the said record that very moment went up to him said just played this aint you his face was priceless . at stafford i sold cairos to keb as id had it since 79 and it just would'nt take of had it covered as the precisions lent it keb to play guy came running up to se what it was and a bidding war began on the stage at stafford the rest is history

[BrianB]

I know we have discussed this before, but what right has anyone, for any reason, to cover up a record and keep it covered up?

Its our music, performed by the Artist to be heard. Not for selfish DJs who want to protect the rarity of a record for their own, eventual, personal gain or reasons.

No matter what anyone says, you won't convince me this is right.

[Guest Baz]

Baz, I found Mr. Soul in a shop in Baltimore late 80's/beginning of 90's when it was still covered as Maurice McAllister. Just in a pile of 45s that looked interesting. Think Brownie bought it off me. I obviously told everybody I knew.

I don't remember Richard having Phoenetics on an acetate as Dave Withers and I played it first at Stafford. Got that and Monique from a mate in LA. Think we covered Monique up but can't remember about Phoenetics.

ROD

Thanks Rod, bet it was at the time like stricking gold? must have been some adrenalin rush when you put it on the player and "Maurice McAllister" started to come out the speakers

So when did the Al Scott's come about? who found that?

[Guest Dante]

It's Billy Paul "Let the dollar circulate" PIR which came out on a 33rpm EP called Philly Freebie, also on an album.

A mate of mine played it out the other week at a bar we DJ at in Manchester. Must say it sounded great well worth digging out if you like 70s philly.

The best uncovering of a cover up was carried out inadvertingly by Alexis Korner on his Sunday night radio one show, around 1981.

Richard Searling was playing a record under the cover of "taking a chance" by Williams and Watson. This was an uptempo 60s record or sounded like one.

The Alexis Korner show was on Sunday nights from I think about 7pm. This was essential listening for me. Alexis played blues based music which incorpatated soul and funk. I think it was about the second record into his show when on comes the said Williams and Watson tune. Needless to say I stirred from my post allnighter inertia and waited with interest for Alexis to annouce who the track was by.

It was of course the Lamont Cracktone Band and was a relatively new release by a white blues band. Got the album somewhere, it also came out on a 45. I suspect this would sound pony now. I liked it at the time but to be honest Alexis Korner played alot better reocords that night on his show.

Regards Alan

!!!!!!!!!!!!????

Alexis Korner from the Alexis Korner's Blues Incorporated?? Wooow hehe

Cheers

Dante

[Russ Vickers]

I know we have discussed this before, but what right has anyone, for any reason, to cover up a record and keep it covered up?

Its our music, performed by the Artist to be heard. Not for selfish DJs who want to protect the rarity of a record for their own, eventual, personal gain or reasons.

No matter what anyone says, you won't convince me this is right.

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Russ

[BrianB]

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Russ

Good morning Russ,

Is your "inspired" reply due to the early hour it was written, or is it just the usual type of defence put forward by the cohort who want to keep everything to themselves?

ATB

Brian B

[grant]

It's Billy Paul "Let the dollar circulate" PIR which came out on a 33rpm EP called Philly Freebie, also on an album.

A mate of mine played it out the other week at a bar we DJ at in Manchester. Must say it sounded great well worth digging out if you like 70s philly.

The best uncovering of a cover up was carried out inadvertingly by Alexis Korner on his Sunday night radio one show, around 1981.

Richard Searling was playing a record under the cover of "taking a chance" by Williams and Watson. This was an uptempo 60s record or sounded like one.

The Alexis Korner show was on Sunday nights from I think about 7pm. This was essential listening for me. Alexis played blues based music which incorpatated soul and funk. I think it was about the second record into his show when on comes the said Williams and Watson tune. Needless to say I stirred from my post allnighter inertia and waited with interest for Alexis to annouce who the track was by.

It was of course the Lamont Cracktone Band and was a relatively new release by a white blues band. Got the album somewhere, it also came out on a 45. I suspect this would sound pony now. I liked it at the time but to be honest Alexis Korner played alot better reocords that night on his show.

Regards Alan

The Lamont Cranston Band - top record and did come out on LP and the 45 was also available in a pic sleeve - rememeber when this fetched big bucks but relatively cheap these days. the most 60's sounding 70's record (apart from JC Messina - but that's another debate!!!! ) I've ever heard.

[Modernsoulsucks]

Thanks Rod, bet it was at the time like stricking gold? must have been some adrenalin rush when you put it on the player and "Maurice McAllister" started to come out the speakers

So when did the Al Scott's come about? who found that?

Actually Baz at the time the scene appeared to be in the doldrums so it wasn't a real big deal like it would be today even though more copies have turned up since.

I also heard it on a small portable player so it wasn't like hearing it at Wigan ten years previously over the speakers. I just thought I've heard that before, what is it? Took me a couple of minutes to click as I was only half-listening as I looked through 45s.

I think Martin Koppell found the Al Scott somewhere in NY.

ROD

[Guest martyn]

I know we have discussed this before, but what right has anyone, for any reason, to cover up a record and keep it covered up?

Its our music, performed by the Artist to be heard. Not for selfish DJs who want to protect the rarity of a record for their own, eventual, personal gain or reasons.

No matter what anyone says, you won't convince me this is right.

Have always considered cover ups a fairly succesful ploy in keeeping the bootlegers at bay.I know there are exceptions to the rule (Frank Wilson/Eddie Foster for example),but hey its always been a bit of fun trying to guess the true identity as well.There are very few if any (?) records that have never been un-covered eventually-So no harm done.

[Sanquine]

Have always considered cover ups a fairly succesful ploy in keeeping the bootlegers at bay.I know there are exceptions to the rule (Frank Wilson/Eddie Foster for example),but hey its always been a bit of fun trying to guess the true identity as well.There are very few if any (?) records that have never been un-covered eventually-So no harm done.

Took the words right out of my mouth Martyn, just about to post a similar reply.

Why shouldn't the DJ who after putting time, money and effort into discovering the record be able to have the exclusiveness of it in their playlist, keeping it to him/her self by covering it.

Up to other's then to put their own time and effort into finding another copy, part of the fun is the guessing and searching till it is uncovered - surely

Karen

Edited September 13, 2006 by sanquine

[Guest Netspeaky]

I know we have discussed this before, but what right has anyone, for any reason, to cover up a record and keep it covered up?

Its our music, performed by the Artist to be heard. Not for selfish DJs who want to protect the rarity of a record for their own, eventual, personal gain or reasons.

No matter what anyone says, you won't convince me this is right.

Why does a cover up have to be rare????????? lots of records are simply covered up because they are not RARE simple, if it's a real rarity, no need is there.