Rufus Wood original?

[Quinvy]

Anyone know the story with this 45? I always thought that the green with blue print was the original, and that the green with black print was a later re issue. Was it booted as well?

[TOAD]

styrene?

[Hammie]

Green with dark blue print label and vinyl playing surface  original  £500 - £750

Geen with black print label and thicker vinyl playing surface  re-issue  £80 - £100

[Dave Pinch]

I think phil referring to the one on tims/ anglos auction... reputed to be a black text 1st press

[Bazm]

Black text and Vinyl according to Anglo, that's putting the cat among the pigeons!

[Godzilla]

Last time we talked about this we established that all the run off markings were the same, suggesting the later black text copy manufactured using the original plates. Blue text is definitely first, however...

[Godzilla]

Just had a look and the Anglo one has the later 2309 Holman address for the label - as opposed to the 3602 Dowling on the original. It also credits the writer as (Anton) Valier, rather than Collins on the blue text copies. Everything suggests it was cut after the original. In fact I can't see anything to suggest that it wasn't pressed at the same time as the acknowledged reissue...

edit: looked back through previous discussions and people with copies of the reissue confirm it's vinyl, not styrene (like Hammie said above). Exactly like Anglo's therefore.

 

My copy bought before it was re-pressed

Current auction copy

 

 

Edited August 11, 2015 by Godzilla
pics added

[Quinvy]

That's exactly what I thought. I emailed Tim about it when he first put out his information, he said it was an oversight and would be corrected. Looks like someone believes Tim judging by the current bid. 

[Quinvy]

I didn't realise there was a styrene copy, is that one a legal re issue or a boot?

[Pete S]

1) There is no styrene copy 2) John Anderson sold out of the blue print originals so got the owner to repress 500 copies from the original plates, these are the black print copies.  He told me this 5 minutes ago and he also told me last year and I posted it up.  

[Quinvy]

1) There is no styrene copy 2) John Anderson sold out of the blue print originals so got the owner to repress 500 copies from the original plates, these are the black print copies.  He told me this 5 minutes ago and he also told me last year and I posted it up.  

Thanks Pete, sorry I missed reading it last year mate. Much appreciated. 

[NEV]

You could'nt make this stuff up could you !

   So .. apparently Tim is telling people ,his is vinyl and not styrene (like the later press /re-issue ) that is NOT styrene but actually also vinyl ...as are the Green and blue copies ,but wait a moment .. Tim's copy also carries the later label info ,same as the re-issue ,but that scan is wrong and will be corrected to show the same info as the green/blue copy ? 

  I'm still confused ,it's been a long day ,i need a lie down 

[Dazdakin]

I have to agree nev this is giving me a headache as this is one of only two records I have as "wants"

Will / can someone say without doubt that this copy currently up for auction is exactly the same as the black text reissue and if it was in a box at a nighter it would be sold as such.....a reissue £80

And that the only original real deal pucker copy has blue/silver text.

Or in other words if anyone has the balls to do so call the one up for auction a reissue and a dealer pulling a fast one.

Dazz

[Hammie]

1) There is no styrene copy 2) John Anderson sold out of the blue print originals so got the owner to repress 500 copies from the original plates, these are the black print copies.  He told me this 5 minutes ago and he also told me last year and I posted it up.  

Hello everybody on here !!!!!   Pete's post here above is dead right..... end of.   AND THERE ARE NO STYRENE RE-RELASES

I have the black print thicker vynil re-release which I bought from J.A. in the late seventies for a £1-00 and still have it.

If there were black print originals then John Anderson would have known and said so. 

If I recall looking at the blue print originals, the outer edge run in is slightly tapered.

On the black print re-issue the outer edge run in is flat and the edge of the record is blunt or squared off   

[Quinvy]

I have to agree nev this is giving me a headache as this is one of only two records I have as "wants"

Will / can someone say without doubt that this copy currently up for auction is exactly the same as the black text reissue and if it was in a box at a nighter it would be sold as such.....a reissue £80

And that the only original real deal pucker copy has blue/silver text.

Or in other words if anyone has the balls to do so call the one up for auction a reissue and a dealer pulling a fast one.

Dazz

Tim has made a mistake. I notified him last week, but he thought the re issues were styrene. I'm sure he will rectify the listing as soon as possible. He would never deliberately try to con anyone, he has a reputation to uphold and a business to run. Everyone makes mistakes, we are all human.

 

If you want to own the real deal, then you need the Green label with the Blue text.

[Wiggyflat]

Played by Soul Sam in June 76 and supplied by John Anderson....he was also spinning....Philly Dog around the world,,,,Joe Cook,Fork In The Road,Lennie Curtis...a loan from Colin Curtis,The Nights-Let There be love. I got a second issue from a dealer who had bought out loads of Jetstar stuff.It was tucked in with loads of blue/white Jetstar records.

[NEV]

Tim has made a mistake. I notified him last week, but he thought the re issues were styrene. I'm sure he will rectify the listing as soon as possible. He would never deliberately try to con anyone, he has a reputation to uphold and a business to run. Everyone makes mistakes, we are all human.

 

If you want to own the real deal, then you need the Green label with the Blue text.

It takes a big man to admit he has made a mistake ,so if Tim says eh was /is wrong ,has made a error ,i take my hat off to him for listening to you and then for ,taking the time to find out the facts ,address the situation and lastly ,for doing the right thing and notifying the people who were bidding on it and also the rest of us !

Nobody knows everything ,some a lot more than others ,most of us ..not a lot ,but the fact Tim was willing to listen and act accordingly puts him in the box with the good guys for me .

P.s did have me a tad worried for a moment though 

[Soulwolf]

Anglo American sent out an auction update today. They admitted they had made a mistake and that the copy was the limited repress from John Anderson from 1976 and have withdrawn it from the auction.

[Stanley]

who do i get  compensation from as i sold  a copy as repress and now its announced original first press vinyl ...this is now fca compliance according to authority as miss representation     .... and as i dont miss represent   because i like everyone else listen to our learned collectors..so who is going to give me  the under valued payment balance ,in this world of authority.who is the governing body ? im out of pocket . im lost for words

[Godzilla]

who do i get  compensation from as i sold  a copy as repress and now its announced original first press vinyl ...this is now fca compliance according to authority as miss representation     .... and as i dont miss represent   because i like everyone else listen to our learned collectors..so who is going to give me  the under valued payment balance ,in this world of authority.who is the governing body ? im out of pocket . im lost for words

I can't tell if you're being serious but just in case you are, nobody has said the the blue print original is anything but that.