Am I Alone In Thinking The Jam Were Poor?

[Guest Andy BB]

I know nothing about the Jam, but I heard World Column at the Casino in late 75 early 76. Wasn't that before the Jam?

Yes it was. I got three of you with that fishy little hook. Sadly nobody responded in the manner I had hoped...

"You idiot! The Jam didn't form until 1976 and World Column released that in 196x so what the f are you talking about rant rant"

Ah well, can't have everything. Damned polite you lot are.

Even if you can't think in a non-linear fashion and acknowledge an indirect but important link and contribution from X to Y

[Simsy]

Can you delete Rowly's scooter pic please it's cocking up my browser

Ta

If that's the case, then of course, no problem.

It isn't that it's a better scooter than your's is it?

Not seen a pic

[Pete S]

Wasnt Solid Bond, the first Style Council track? I know he wrote it as one of the possibilites for the last Jam record.

Northern Soul link. The venue for the best pop video ever, is Bisley Pavilion.

The Jam version of Solid Bond is out-and-out Northern Soul, at least for the first half a minute.

[Guest Andy BB]

If that's the case, then of course, no problem.

It isn't that it's a better scooter than your's is it?

Not seen a pic

It's alright I suppose.

Not as nice as my last GS but infinitely nicer than my current SX (even before the pesky cockney kids nicked it and rode it into a wall).

Give it time, I'll be catching up by the rallies next year.... although I am 25CCs in deficit. (Not that kind of CC)

[SteveM]

Hello Sean you old divil ......

Any jobs going with you for a 50 something rep ? I don't need converting in respect of music , and my wife speaks highly of you .

Malc

Sean, offer him a job, but then ask him for his birth certificate. (It will be on a stone tablet ). 50 something indeed Malc. You've got to be older than Sam

[Guest Rowly]

If that's the case, then of course, no problem.

It isn't that it's a better scooter than your's is it?

Not seen a pic

[Guest Biggie G]

The Jam must be Northern Soul because one of thier rare records sold for $900 a couple of years back on ebay.

[Chalky]

Paul has good taste, period.

He makes records.

Buy em' if you like em', ignore em' if you don't.

Passion and strength have everything to do with SOUL, stereotypes about what proper "soul" qualifies as are for those missing the point...

see plenty of passion and strength in many acts, Rolling Stones (who it's well documented there tastes lay in R& etc but doesn't make them soulful.

[Mikevague]

see plenty of passion and strength in many acts, Rolling Stones (who it's well documented there tastes lay in R& etc but doesn't make them soulful.

Good point, but I don't think "Solid bond in your heart" sounds anything like "Start me up" either.....

Len Barry, Rufus Lumley, etc...SOUL?

Hmmm....

[Guest the dukester]

Vespa's for the boys, Lambretta's for the men.

This makes me a man then

[Guest Polyvelts]

www.modculture.com please.

[Supercorsa]

Wasnt Solid Bond, the first Style Council track? I know he wrote it as one of the possibilites for the last Jam record.

Northern Soul link. The venue for the best pop video ever, is Bisley Pavilion.

If you're refering to the Solid Bond video, think you'll find it was filmed at Woking Football Club.

[Cheapsiderecords]

Just seen this thread and am too lazy to read through 3 pages.

The Jam or Paul Weller in particular was always known as a Northern fan and possibly turned a few Mod heads in the later days and certainly in the Style Council days.

I had a tape which either came from Adey Pountain or Ian Clark where they had tagged on The Jam's Strange Town when it was released, definate Northern influence there.

Still got there first 2 albums and most of Wellers solo CD's, nothing wrong with them as far as I am concerned.

[Guest ShaneH]

www.modculture.com please.

i kept this topic open as many members are discussing how their love affair with soul coincided with their love of the jam etc.

i agree the jam were not a soul band but they deffo had a small impact on the soul scene in an indirect kind of way. its not just about the music as we are talking about the broader culture of the soul scene.

i don't think baggy trousers and vests are very soulful but they are part of the broader culture that i am hoping will be discussed on here.

i know a few disagree but others don't so i think it shall remain for now.

Shane

[Winnie :-)]

i kept this topic open as many members are discussing how their love affair with soul coincided with their love of the jam etc.

i agree the jam were not a soul band but they deffo had a small impact on the soul scene in an indirect kind of way. its not just about the music as we are talking about the broader culture of the soul scene.

i don't think baggy trousers and vests are very soulful but they are part of the broader culture that i am hoping will be discussed on here.

i know a few disagree but others don't so i think it shall remain for now.

Shane

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I think the vast majority of people like the Jam, but some, myself included, can't really see what they have to do with northern soul. Read an interview with him (Manifesto I think) and I'm sure he said he'd never been to a nighter, but did like a few northern soul records, one of which I think was Time will pass you by.

When they were first noticed by the public, I thought they were a punk band, only aligning themselves later to Mods, around the time quadrophenia was released. I'd left the scene by then, but did have a little look back in, and yep they were playing northern at mod nights, in amongst Kinks and the who. Honestly can't remember if they were also playing stuff by the Jam or secret affair as well. Just to ask current mods, would they expect Jam stuff to be played at mod nights, indeed is it played?

Winnie:-)

[Guest Baz]

When they were first noticed by the public, I thought they were a punk band, only aligning themselves later to Mods, around the time quadrophenia was released. I'd left the scene by then, but did have a little look back in, and yep they were playing northern at mod nights, in amongst Kinks and the who. Honestly can't remember if they were also playing stuff by the Jam or secret affair as well. Just to ask current mods, would they expect Jam stuff to be played at mod nights, indeed is it played?

Winnie:-)

Dont think it would go down well at a full on mod night, but been to a promotion called the buzz a few years ago, which is an 'alternative night' so to speak they play every thing from freak beat/garage to northern/R&B to the Jam and stone roses

Heres a bit of trivia for you, Paul Wellers fav northern trak is Rosco Robinson - Thats enough

[Guest Rowly]

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I think the vast majority of people like the Jam, but some, myself included, can't really see what they have to do with northern soul. Read an interview with him (Manifesto I think) and I'm sure he said he'd never been to a nighter, but did like a few northern soul records, one of which I think was Time will pass you by.

When they were first noticed by the public, I thought they were a punk band, only aligning themselves later to Mods, around the time quadrophenia was released. I'd left the scene by then, but did have a little look back in, and yep they were playing northern at mod nights, in amongst Kinks and the who. Honestly can't remember if they were also playing stuff by the Jam or secret affair as well. Just to ask current mods, would they expect Jam stuff to be played at mod nights, indeed is it played?

Winnie:-)

VERY rarely gets played out in clubs Winnie... the current mod scene is as split as the soul scene (what with Upfront, Oldies, R&B, Modern, Crossover etc) in that you have those into the Jam, Secret Affair 80's revival powerpop stuff those into classic 60's beat / British R&B Sounds some into later 60's Psyche etc amd those into Soul / R&B / Funk / Jazz etc. Don't tend to get many nights playing accross the board. Personally I wouldn't make an effort to go to a night playing revival type stuff - i don't consider it dance music for one. Give me a mod night playing mixed genre 60's Black Music and I'm as happy as a pig in shit!

Edited September 5, 2006 by Rowly

[hipshaker 05]

i'm not sure why there are so many people hung up on whether the jam have anything to do with northern soul. has anyone said they have? apart from being into the jam and then getting into soul .... or weller's stated interest?

as for jam stuff being played ...... town called malice went down a storm @ IOW (played by a guest dj) .... not normally played though.

[Guest MARTIN SNOW]

As someone whose early entry in to music was thro the new wave scene, (first gig The Mekons/Fashion, aged 14 1979) the Jam early material was excellent. All Around The World makes me shiver just thinking about it, the sheer power in that record is incredible. Respect to Pete S, he sounds like a man on my wavelength, I never saw them live though but have seen early video footage which is astonishing. After the LP All Mod Cons they nosedived into crap mainstream pop and then things just went downhill from there. Except for Money Go Round which was superb, I thought all the Style Council material was crap.

I met all 3 members of The Jam at Polydor HQ in 1980 by chance whilst scrounging some publicity handouts. They took me in to the press office and Rick Buckler the drummer told me to open my bag, where upon he grabbed a handful of singles from a drawer and said here have these mate ! There were some nice Cure promo's which I sold at a good price some years later ! A nice bunch of blokes !