Happy Playing Mp3's And Cd's Nottingham

[50 Shades]

What do you get if you pay the £40 VIP rate?

Wondered that myself so checked the flyer, ( in their words not mine ) You get .... Drum roll ....,

a glass of fizz, get to sit near the stage and a pizza to share ... presumably with the digital DJ, cos he won't be doing owt else !

[John May]

Vote with your feet, if it bothers you don't go. If your not bothered go along.  i won't be going.

[Chalky]

What do you get if you pay the £40 VIP rate?

 

Ripped off!

 

Always knew we weren't charging enough   if we tried to charge £15 folk would be up in arms. 

[Roger Williams]

There simply is not any scenario left in the world that requires more DJs, let alone ones with zero record collecting experience and therefore zero knowledge. At best, they will offer a similarly predictable and stagnant output to the wedding dj type

 

Best statement I've read on here in a long time, especially the first part.   

[Biggordy]

Levanna McLean? The lass can dance, I'll give her that but since when was she a DJ?????

 

 

[Autumnstoned]

To be fair to the promoters, the article does say that the biggest draw is Geno Washington & The Ram Jam Band which would be why they were offering higher priced tickets for "VIP" tables near the stage (plus refreshments). Get the impression that this was principally a commercial live music event ( one of the promoters has been involved in gigs with The Animals ) supplemented by the DJ''s ( "celebrity" DJ's in the case of Russ and Levanna to help draw a crowd) 

[Seano]

I'm posting this in here as it's more about what these two guys have to say than the actual event - hope that ok. Not bothered about ovo, and happy to play cd's and mp3s. Does anyone know them? I don't but I'm way out of everyone's loop.

 

https://www.nottinghampost.com/Riverbank-hosts-soul-pop-party-Geno-Washington/story-26591720-detail/story.html

 

Peter

 

Just read my way through the thread and thought I'd have a look at the article. Jeez - after clicking away half a dozen unwanted ads I just gave up!

[Grayman45]

I have to say that this is the first event of this kind, that I have heard of in Nottingham, for some time. Certainly in a central location. Perhaps they're just exploiting a gap in the market.

[YourArsenal]

Music is music, and I'm sure most of the punters won't care. But a bit sad to see one of the few scenes that still have a bit of pride in playing original vinyl giving in to mainstream culture. A bit of elitism isn't necessarily such a bad thing in a world where everything's available to everyone and nothing's special.

[dean jj]

He's got a big wot?

[Guest GeoffB]

The OVO argument again. I feel this has gone a bit off topic but will put in my 2 cents.

 

I'm one of the young ones and respect OVO, especially if you're charging £15 a ticket. However, this "earning respect" and "being lazy" thing I'm not buying.

You can make an original set on CD/MP3. That takes time and knowledge and people should enjoy it just as much as an OVO event.

The argument that they could do it at the casino is stupid. Back then the records weren't hundreds or thousands of pounds and there were 1000's of new finds. Now that is not the case.

 

Sure there are plenty of class records for sensible money but if you don't have big money records then people will complain.

 

Someone will point out that if you don't have the records then you shouldn't DJ as that's how it has always been and always should be but DJing should be about your taste in music and interacting with the crowd, not how deep your pockets are. It's about the music, isn't it? 

 

If this event was happening near me I would love to go just to see Geno Washington. I'd probably enjoy myself too but don't tell anyone. 

[Sikirby]

The OVO argument again. I feel this has gone a bit off topic but will put in my 2 cents.

I'm one of the young ones and respect OVO, especially if you're charging £15 a ticket. However, this "earning respect" and "being lazy" thing I'm not buying.

You can make an original set on CD/MP3. That takes time and knowledge and people should enjoy it just as much as an OVO event.

The argument that they could do it at the casino is stupid. Back then the records weren't hundreds or thousands of pounds and there were 1000's of new finds. Now that is not the case.

Sure there are plenty of class records for sensible money but if you don't have big money records then people will complain.

Someone will point out that if you don't have the records then you shouldn't DJ as that's how it has always been and always should be but DJing should be about your taste in music and interacting with the crowd, not how deep your pockets are. It's about the music, isn't it?

If this event was happening near me I would love to go just to see Geno Washington. I'd probably enjoy myself too but don't tell anyone.

[Sikirby]

The northern soul scene was always about going to a venue to listen and dance to rare and obscure records that's why some of us older ones went to such clubs as the casino as they were the only places to hear them played by the djs of the day which was part of the attraction, it really doesn't take much to download off YouTube and similar sites to create a set but it takes time effort and dedication to search and pay for the music that we appreciate on its original format

[Guest rodw]

There are events like this playing cd's etc where I live too but they do play vinyl as well. Not sure if it's OVO tho, it's not advertised as such on their flyers. I do know it caters for a 20's to 50's age group with only a few travelling to events outside the area on a reg basis. The music policy is mostly Top 500. The people who run these do's have a free entry policy at various pubs scattered around the town. Some of the crowd are ex Allnighter folk from the 70's era or from the local Scooter Clubs who treat the events as re-union or revival nights. It's obviously not my type of thing really but I do know some of them & sometimes voice my opinion although they just regard it as fun & a night out dancing to music from their youth. I know for a fact that this is fairly common at a lot of venues in the South but what can you do ?? They don't think they are doing any harm just having a night out with long lost friends. I don't think they advertise on here but they do on facebook. There could be loads & loads of Soul do's throughout the country advertising in such a way........who knows ??? 

Edited May 31, 2015 by rodw

[pow wow mik]

There are events like this playing cd's etc where I live too but they do play vinyl as well. Not sure if it's OVO tho, it's not advertised as such on their flyers. I do know it caters for a 20's to 50's age group with only a few travelling to events outside the area on a reg basis. The music policy is mostly Top 500. The people who run these do's have a free entry policy at various pubs scattered around the town. Some of the crowd are ex Allnighter folk from the 70's era or from the local Scooter Clubs who treat the events as re-union or revival nights. It's obviously not my type of thing really but I do know some of them & sometimes voice my opinion although they just regard it as fun & a night out dancing to music from their youth. I know for a fact that this is fairly common at a lot of venues in the South but what can you do ?? They don't think they are doing any harm just having a night out with long lost friends. I don't think they advertise on here but they do on facebook. There could be loads & loads of Soul do's throughout the country advertising in such a way........who knows ???

there will be 1000s of such dos, hence the price of lookalike boots! And no one's saying that they're evil, or doing much harm...in fact, if the northern top 500 along with a few funk, r&b and disco classics gradually supplants the traditional pub-dj fayre of abba and bobey m etc then maybe it's something of a progression for mainstream culture...

which is nice for mainstream culture but not so nice for music lovers who live to witness beautiful tracks desecrated by being dad-danced to in pub beer gardens, played from fake records by people who never lift a finger to find a new or lesser known track that might be just as good. Not so nice for djs who try to do something different and see themselves replaced at events by bootleg djs who play all the biggies...

There is a constant cycle of important underground culture eventually being swallowed up and commercially exploited by mainstream culture and it always leads to ossification. The only consolation is that it usually occurs when the underground culture concerned has run its course anyway.

This part of the cycle may be inevitable, and may in fact prove the importance of the original culture, but it's sad to see nevertheless and I know which part of the cycle I would rather be invloved with.

these dos, and djs, aren't evil or doing much harm. But they are regressive, exploitative, terminally late to the party and generally crap, and i for one will continue to look down on them.

Edited May 31, 2015 by pow wow mik

[hullsoul]

What  load of bollocks has been spouted on this thread,it's been a vinyl scene from day one & should stay that way.I fully understand some of the modern tunes are CD only & in the future there will be MP3 only tunes but until that becomes the norm get them ORIGINAL bits of plastic on the decks & make people dance.

All this shite about you can't put a set together without been a millionaire & cheap records are second rate what an absolute joke.Comments of that type are circulated by people who are either to lazy or have a lack knowledge to eke those little gems out & make them there own.There's people getting behind the decks at night's who don't have a ounce of personality & they are petrified to play something they love but isn't or hasn't been a monster,they don't have the passion when someone comments about the record to stand up for it & tell the other person they are wrong.

Record collecting is a personal thing & should come before ever djing so collect for you not to impress others,dedicate time & effort to learning what works for you & then defend that playbox to the bitter end but most of all if you are going to dj please play originals as that's part of our history.

I'm ranting I know but this sort of stuff really pisses me off...................

A little analogy for you ...........My Renault Clio can go round a formula one track no bother,does that make it a formula one car?If all the cars in a formula one race are Clio's is a still a formula one race........or has the race been devalued.

Where's the red wine  

Cheers

Martyn

[Chalky]

I have to agree.  There is no creativity in playing mp3's or compilation cd's, unless download or the CD is the original format  and any argument that is contrary to this is like Martyn says complete b*llocks! 

 

The originality, creativity and imagination comes from hours sifting through records, listening, comparing, taking pride in what you are doing.  Yes it is about the music and any other scene the format doesn't matter but this scene was, is and will always be about the record that contains that music.  It is an elitist scene, it is what has made it so great and kept it real for 50 years.

 

People playing CD's, well there really is no need for playing anything other than the original format.  After all there is a plethora of people out there who are more than capable of doing so so why settle for anything less.  If you can't do it right leave it to those that can, simply go a sa punter and enjoy the music.

 

As I said earlier the only saving grace is some might see that there is more to this than mp3's and look to those who keep it real.

 

And 40 quid to sit on your arse.....what's that all about?  You'd be struggling to find a table near the stage at Cleethorpes.

Edited May 31, 2015 by chalky

[hullsoul]

It is an elitist scene,

Mam tell him..........Chalkies using the elitist word again!!  

Cheers

Martyn

[Chalky]

 

It is an elitist scene,

Mam tell him..........Chalkies using the elitist word again!!  

Cheers

Martyn

 

 

 

 

[Guest Byrney]

I'm posting this in here as it's more about what these two guys have to say than the actual event - hope that ok. Not bothered about ovo, and happy to play cd's and mp3s. Does anyone know them? I don't but I'm way out of everyone's loop.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/Riverbank-hosts-soul-pop-party-Geno-Washington/story-26591720-detail/story.html

Peter

Can't open the link but knowing Nottingham nothing surprises me. Once one of the most cutting edge areas for Northern and Modern in the UK, now is a shambles.

[Guest Byrney]

Wondered that myself so checked the flyer, ( in their words not mine ) You get .... Drum roll ....,

a glass of fizz, get to sit near the stage and a pizza to share ... presumably with the digital DJ, cos he won't be doing owt else !

If this is the event i think it is, its put on by Pop Up Parties; they throw some reasonable house events with DJs like Derek Carter, Todd Terry, Kenny Dope etc so for some West Bridgford millionaire paying 40 sovs might get to some mixing etc but what visual and for that matter aural pleasure is the likes on Binstanley going to offer. Enough to put you off your stone baked.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Byrney

[KevH]

What  load of bollocks has been spouted on this thread,it's been a vinyl scene from day one & should stay that way.I fully understand some of the modern tunes are CD only & in the future there will be MP3 only tunes but until that becomes the norm get them ORIGINAL bits of plastic on the decks & make people dance.

All this shite about you can't put a set together without been a millionaire & cheap records are second rate what an absolute joke.Comments of that type are circulated by people who are either to lazy or have a lack knowledge to eke those little gems out & make them there own.There's people getting behind the decks at night's who don't have a ounce of personality & they are petrified to play something they love but isn't or hasn't been a monster,they don't have the passion when someone comments about the record to stand up for it & tell the other person they are wrong.

Record collecting is a personal thing & should come before ever djing so collect for you not to impress others,dedicate time & effort to learning what works for you & then defend that playbox to the bitter end but most of all if you are going to dj please play originals as that's part of our history.

I'm ranting I know but this sort of stuff really pisses me off...................

A little analogy for you ...........My Renault Clio can go round a formula one track no bother,does that make it a formula one car?If all the cars in a formula one race are Clio's is a still a formula one race........or has the race been devalued.

Where's the red wine  

Cheers

Martyn

 

 

[KevH]

oops.

Edited May 31, 2015 by KevH

[dean jj]

Of course its elitist to be a soul fan, divies listen to pop music...and sadly turn up to soul events.

dean

ps, I would like to say that i went to the north lancs. soul weekender on the saturday night and the locals totally intergrated with us types: rarely the case I suspect and it and it impressed me a bit.

[Dranny]

Yeah not bad actually Dean for 2000 plus in a multi room venue thank god they did not venture into the collecters room

[Westender]

Just a thought, but if it really is all about the music, then format should be irrelevant.

 

Shouldn't it?

[Chalky]

Just a thought, but if it really is all about the music, then format should be irrelevant.

 

Shouldn't it?

 

It isn't quite as simple as that, and I guess you know that too, other wise we wouldn't keep having these "debates".  If it was simply what is in the groove that counts then we wouldn't give a fig what format was being played.

[YourArsenal]

It obviously isn't ALL about the music, no music scene is. The music is the focal point, and arguably the most important aspect (the one around which the rest of the scene is built), but other things like the people, the venues, events, commeraderie, fashion, collecting, intrigue, etc. play into pretty much any music-oriented sub-culture I can think of, certainly any interesting ones. Any scene that's strictly about the music and nothing else, would essentially consist of a bunch of people sitting in their separate rooms listening to said music.

[Guest Matt Male]

Just a thought, but if it really is all about the music, then format should be irrelevant.

 

Shouldn't it?

 

But when the majority of the music, and the best of the music, is only available on a single format and in many cases in small quantities, and very difficult to find, it becomes very relevant and very precious.

 

Why do you think we hold legendary collectors, diggers and DJs in such high esteem? It's taken dedication, patience and a lot of effort to uncover the sounds we've become familiar with over the last 40+ years. Look at the recent article on Soul Bowl. There is a legacy on the vinyl format that demands our respect surely?

 

I can't see anyone remembering, or respecting, the people who put on a CD or press a button to play an MP3 in 30 years time.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Matt Male

[Raremusicdirect]

Its very depressing for those that believe in the ethos of OVO to find venues wanting us to play ....when others give no worry and are happy for mates to play or mp3 or cds or boot players

 

Martyn Bird wrote on the subject on 2006 and was very accurate...................maybe he can search out the article to see if it is as i recall ...............................

[Mark S]

Of course format matters with original vinyl there is provenance a tangible link to an era and the artist its so much more than just about the music .

 Modern day values have no part of the NS scene its almost as if there is an entitlement nowadays and every one can become the next big thing .

 I don't care if we are regarded as elitist or snobbish that's a good thing in my book and sets us apart .

[hullsoul]

Its very depressing for those that believe in the ethos of OVO to find venues wanting us to play ....when others give no worry and are happy for mates to play or mp3 or cds or boot players

 

Martyn Bird wrote on the subject on 2006 and was very accurate...................maybe he can search out the article to see if it is as i recall ...............................

Bloody hell can't remember what I did yesterday

I despair we keep debating this & that some just don't seem to grasp how important original vinyl has been/is to the scene  

Cheers

Martyn

[Guest rodw]

there will be 1000s of such dos, hence the price of lookalike boots! And no one's saying that they're evil, or doing much harm...in fact, if the northern top 500 along with a few funk, r&b and disco classics gradually supplants the traditional pub-dj fayre of abba and bobey m etc then maybe it's something of a progression for mainstream culture...

which is nice for mainstream culture but not so nice for music lovers who live to witness beautiful tracks desecrated by being dad danced to in pub bear gardens, played from fake records by people who never lift a finger to find a new or lesser known track that might be just as good. Not so nice for djs who try to do something different and see themselves replaced at events by bootleg djs who play all the biggies...

There is a constant cycle of important underground culture eventually being swallowed up and commercially exploited by mainstream culture and it always leads to ossification. The only consolation is that it usually occurs when the underground culture concerned has run its course anyway.

This part of the cycle may be inevitable, and may in fact prove the importance of the original culture, but it's sad to see nevertheless and I know which part of the cycle I would rather be invloved with.

these dos, and djs, aren't evil or doing much harm. But they are regressive, exploitative, terminally late to the party and generally crap, and i for one will continue to look down on them.

[Grayman45]

Here's what I don't get . . .

If original vinyl is so sacred, (and I am not saying it isn't), why do owners of it stick it on the internet, so that people such as myself can have it as an mp3 in seconds?

[Guest rodw]

That's exactly why I don't go, even tho I'm constantly invited. Up until about 10 years ago the town had a healthy Soul Scene but many of the locals did'nt support it at the time & it was left to mainly travellers from surrounding towns & further afield who were into Modern Soul & 60's Classics with an OVO policy. These days it's been taken over by those who have been away from the scene for years or the local Scooter crowd who prefer a mix of Soul & Ska etc. Personally that's not for me as I still attend Allnighters on a reg basis mainly in the Midlands or Up North with a few others who I can count on one hand & most of them no longer live in the area. Allnighters are few & far between in the South these days I'm afraid apart from in London, Gloucester or of late Plymouth. You lot Up North don't know how lucky you are lol !!!

[Quinvy]

Here's what I don't get . . .

If original vinyl is so sacred, (and I am not saying it isn't), why do owners of it stick it on the internet, so that people such as myself can have it as an mp3 in seconds?

It's called willy waving. Look at me, look at me. Like my great taste in music, and tell me what a great DJ I am.    

Even worse are the ones who wave somebody else's willy. They haven't got the records, but they are brilliant at finding them on you tube and skilfully pasting them on here or even worse on Facebook. What the Fcuk is that all about? Do they think we haven't heard them before? 

[pow wow mik]

Here's what I don't get . . .

If original vinyl is so sacred, (and I am not saying it isn't), why do owners of it stick it on the internet, so that people such as myself can have it as an mp3 in seconds?

that's the thing - most collectors and djs are eager to share the music in any way possible - tapes (in the old days), compilations, cds, clubs, youtube, mixcloud are all about that. All this has happened for decades - music being collected by enthusiasts and shared with everyone who wanted to hear it as is their respobsibility; and generally a good job was done of it.

And here's the whole point then - the boots and the vinyl re-issues aren't and never have been about spreading the music - music is spread far quicker, wider and cheaper on youtube than on a £10 500-run pressing - they're about spreading the djing.

[pow wow mik]

It's called willy waving. Look at me, look at me. Like my great taste in music, and tell me what a great DJ I am.    

Even worse are the ones who wave somebody else's willy. They haven't got the records, but they are brilliant at finding them on you tube and skilfully pasting them on here or even worse on Facebook. What the Fcuk is that all about? Do they think we haven't heard them before? 

love the expression 'waving with someone else's willy'!!

but a bit cynical, even for you Phil. On those grounds, anyone who ever djed is 'willy waving. Look at me, look at me. Like my great taste in music and tell me what a great dj I am' ...aren't they?

and besides, it's irrelevent to this thread, as the youtube posters and djs without the real records, and theres plenty of them, are guilty of that exact same conceit, yet lack even the achievement of having the records!

[Grayman45]

that's the thing - most collectors and djs are eager to share the music in any way possible - tapes (in the old days), compilations, cds, clubs, youtube, mixcloud are all about that. All this has happened for decades - music being collected by enthusiasts and shared with everyone who wanted to hear it as is their respobsibility; and generally a good job was done of it.

And here's the whole point then - the boots and the vinyl re-issues aren't and never have been about spreading the music - music is spread far quicker, wider and cheaper on youtube than on a £10 500-run pressing - they're about spreading the djing.

I get where you are coming from, but if you stick something on youtube, you are giving it to the world.

[ulyssees]

Is it O.K. To play reissues if on vinyl?

[pow wow mik]

I get where you are coming from, but if you stick something on youtube, you are giving it to the world.

I do, and good. I want the world to hear great music, ideally for free, that might otherwise remain obscure (but to put it into context, my jt parker has had 10,000 views, by far the most of any of mine, while 'cute cat begging', for example - not a song but in fact a cute cat begging - has had 250,000 views so its not like the world gives a massive shit)

So I'm happy to help a few 100 people all over the world encounter great music and cant see a down side to it except that for some reason, a bunch of them tape the damn thing and start djing with it. That's not my fault for posting it up, but their fault for being wank, lazy djs.

[pow wow mik]

Is it O.K. To play reissues if on vinyl?

God No! No one cares about vinyl except a few weird fetishists who wake up on record-store day like its christmas; it only gets played because it was the contemporary format to the music. If we were playing modern dubstep, it'd just be weird to be playing it on vinyl. If its a non-contemporaneous issue on any format its a no-no cos youve been spoon-fed it while others have done the hard graft so you're free-riding.

Lookalikes are the ultimate worst - worse than mp3s or anything - for on top of playing a modern issue, you're pretending not to and being a sad fraud. I dont mean you personally of course!

the devil himself wouldnt play a lookalike and try to blend it, because while he's the epitome of pure evil, he's not a knobhead.

Edited May 31, 2015 by pow wow mik

[Grayman45]

I do, and good. I want the world to hear great music, ideally for free, that might otherwise remain obscure (but to put it into context, my jt parker has had 10,000 views, by far the most of any of mine, while 'cute cat begging', for example - not a song but in fact a cute cat begging - has had 250,000 views so its not like the world gives a massive shit)

So I'm happy to help a few 100 people all over the world encounter great music and cant see a down side to it except that for some reason, a bunch of them tape the damn thing and start djing with it. That's not my fault for posting it up, but their fault for being wank, lazy djs.

And I'm possibly one of those 10,000 viewers. But if you left your copy on the table in a pub, 99 folk out of 100 might ask who's is this? The hundreth person will take it for himself. Would you blame yourself for leaving it out?

[pow wow mik]

Thats an interesting point and the answer rests on the duality of a record : while I own a record, I do not own the music on it, so the record is my property and can be stolen, the music isnt and can't be; at least, not from me.

the music is everyone's to do what they want with; the reason for djs being required to own the real records isn't because in doing so they somehow own the music, it is simply because it qualifies them to present it.

if everyone djed with digital files - a scenario anyone who plays any re-issue stands for - and every track was available, there would be no way of knowing who was any good without listening to every single person.

Ovo is a selection process, and only the first one ideally. Because so far, no one has shown to know more about music than record collectors.

[pow wow mik]

As a footnote to that - I think that a worse offence than playing pressings is to own a brilliant record of which you have the only copy, and keep it to yourself indefinitely - as in, not even pkaying it out covered up or anything. This will be happening all over the world, some instances of which I know of, and it's a truely arrogant thing to do. True, like that nazi's art collection, it may surface one day, but the people are ready to dance to it now, they might not be in 20, even 10 years time, when these mean old hoarders eventually die.

Edited May 31, 2015 by pow wow mik

[Grayman45]

Thats an interesting point and the answer rests on the duality of a record : while I own a record, I do not own the music on it, so the record is my property and can be stolen, the music isnt and can't be; at least, not from me.

the music is everyone's to do what they want with; the reason for djs being required to own the real records isn't because in doing so they somehow own the music, it is simply because it qualifies them to present it.

if everyone djed with digital files - a scenario anyone who plays any re-issue stands for - and every track was available, there would be no way of knowing who was any good without listening to every single person.

Ovo is a selection process, and only the first one ideally. Because so far, no one has shown to know more about music than record collectors.

You argue your point very well sir

[Grayman45]

I still like the "willy waving" theory though

[Quinvy]

If I had a one off acetate that was fantastic, I would want the real soul fans to hear it played out. But I would never dream of sticking it on you tube.

Funny that Butch never felt the need to show off on you tube or social media, thank God.

 

If you dislike look a like boots, why do you make it so easy for people to make them? Oh thanks, even put the label scan up too.

[Quinvy]

I still like the "willy waving" theory though

You only have to join Facebook to see it every day. Not just pictures of rare records, but flash houses,flash cars and large motorcycles too. Oh and I'm on my way to the airport for another of my endless holidays, because I am "seriously richer than yow" 

bloody show off's.   

[pow wow mik]

If I had a one off acetate that was fantastic, I would want the real soul fans to hear it played out. But I would never dream of sticking it on you tube.

Funny that Butch never felt the need to show off on you tube or social media, thank God.

If you dislike look a like boots, why do you make it so easy for people to make them? Oh thanks, even put the label scan up too.

When you say I make it easy for 'them'...the music I play has generally all been booted by one person. Just one person thought it was ok, somehow his calling, to make bootlegs, and mostly from his own records, or other peoples'. It wasn't youtube. The worst youtube does is give knowledge to other djs, but I get so much from there myself, I can't just have it all one way. I take it that as you dont agree with it, you dont look at it either?

and that knowledge lets people buy originals, so fuels the second hand record market. None of it encourages people to make pressings - those people encourage themselves with greed and had a pretty efficient operation going in tne 70s didn't they, so not sure how youtube is to blame?

In fact, with youtube offering free rare music to anyone, you'd have thought that it would have killed the re-issue market and it should have, however it seemed that the human desire to pretend to be a dj is strong enough to sustain that whole market.

Butch shares his one-offs by playing them, though might well have some that he doesnt share, I dont know. The fact that he doesnt put things on youtube or facebook is incidental to his integrity or quality as a dj - there are top djs and collectors who do those things, maybe who find that that is their best means of promotion or social interaction.

there's much about facebook that is crap, and enabling to the crap; I eventually succumbed to it, feeling obliged to do all I could to raise the profile of our club and actually found it to be quite good natured. I just avoid anything or anyone that doesnt relate to my purpose of being on there, and anything to do with peoples' dinner.

Edited June 1, 2015 by pow wow mik