vince ayres Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 Found a copy recently and can't find much info on it, will probably sell it but don't want to do myself out as it's obviously pretty rare. There are no sales on Popsike and i've heard conflicting values up to £1000's so any info would be appreciated. Atb Vince 1
Dejazzy1 Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 Vince hi, If your selling where will you put it on ebay or elsewhere as Im very interested in it. Best dallas
Dave Fleming Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 If it were mine,and was looking to sell JM normally gets the best prices and a world wide aduance,I know Ian Levine got a copy last year but don't know what he paid for it. Dave f.......
Dave Pinch Posted May 29, 2015 Posted May 29, 2015 Put it up for offers on here and in facebook sales... you'll get a lot of interest. .. start at 1000.. let it run for a week or so....
Corbett80 Posted May 29, 2015 Posted May 29, 2015 (edited) This is great and then you realise it actually HAS got the Road Runner in it. Edited May 29, 2015 by corbett80 1
vince ayres Posted May 29, 2015 Author Posted May 29, 2015 Vince hi, If your selling where will you put it on ebay or elsewhere as Im very interested in it. Best dallas I guess i probably put it up on Ebay in the next few days and put a comment up in the relevent section with a link to the sale.
vince ayres Posted May 29, 2015 Author Posted May 29, 2015 This is great and then you realise it actually HAS got the Road Runner in it. "Meep Meep" 1
vince ayres Posted May 29, 2015 Author Posted May 29, 2015 Oh the puns just keep on coming, i reckon it should have been issued on ACME records
Guest cenco Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 Vince found that copy at the Austin record fair
Wiggyflat Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 This is supposedly the boot and all the boots are supposedly originate in the USA
Pomonkey Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) The only people who said the boots originated in the USA are people with now zero credibility so pinch of salt for now, the truth will come out soon. Edited January 24, 2016 by pomonkey 2
Tsu Tomatoes Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 As I recall Bob Abrahamian said it was issued under two numbers. One as an A side. One as a B of a different track. One issue was orange the other was light blue. Vince, whatever did happen to your copy?
Kris Holmes Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 damn, that looks mighty similar to the bootleg
Tricky Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 Whats with the the truth will come out soon bs!! If you know something spill the beans because this is becoming more than an in the know thing.
Tsu Tomatoes Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 33 minutes ago, TRICKY said: Whats with the the truth will come out soon bs!! If you know something spill the beans because this is becoming more than an in the know thing. I can't help but think, that the bootleg of this is linked to thread about Levine's Soul Pack. The same names seem to be involved. 1
Tricky Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 Yes i now realise it looks like a linked thread. Sorry pomonkey for flying off the handle. Trev
Guest cenco Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 14 hours ago, tsu tomatoes said: As I recall Bob Abrahamian said it was issued under two numbers. One as an A side. One as a B of a different track. One issue was orange the other was light blue. Vince, whatever did happen to your copy? The girl I need side came out twice on this and the blue jenges but credited to dream merchants
Tsu Tomatoes Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 For what it's worth, this is Ian's copy:
Louise Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, cenco said: The girl I need side came out twice on this and the blue jenges but credited to dream merchants On the Orange one the The Girl I Need side is a miscredited song title with the recording being a song entitled "Can't Pull Myself" Away. Dave Edited January 25, 2016 by Louise 1
Pete S Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 4 hours ago, tsu tomatoes said: For what it's worth, this is Ian's copy: That doesn't look like e recent press
Mace Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pete S said: That doesn't look like e recent press That first E on Jenges at bottom of the label looks slightly smudged in the same way too me on both copies.....could be evident on all proper copies mind, and suppose it's obvious that if the Austin one is a boot then label scans would have been sourced from this copy. Edited January 25, 2016 by Mace
Dave Morris Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) On 1/24/2016 at 12:35, cenco said: Vince found that copy at the Austin record fair Yes he certainly did and I was there at the time.I was also present later in the day when he was told by someone who found 2 copies the year before and sold one to IL & kept the other for himself. Edited January 26, 2016 by Dave Morris
vince ayres Posted January 26, 2016 Author Posted January 26, 2016 I thought it best that i come on here and put the record straight (pardon the pun). I purchased this 45 at Austin record fair last May for $2.00 along with a handful of other items all under ten bucks from the same seller. I recongnised the label but have never heard this release before and thought it was pretty damn good. It wasn't until later in the day that i was playing it to the rest of the British contingent and asking oppinions on it's merit that big Jeff piped up that it's a super rarity as i had no idea. It is ridiculous in the extreme to assume that somehow it is a bootleg (who on earth is going to bootleg a record that next to nobody knows and then sell it for $2.00!) Oh and before anyone asks i was pretty quick in asking if he had anymore copies and he did not. I can only assume therefore that the Wiggyflats copy is an original. So let me see, thats 4 known copies unless a trail of people are going to pile in with there copies of this elusive bootleg that nobody has seen before? Before i sign off i would like to make it clear that i'm not in cahoots with anyone over some dodgy bootleg and that includes Ian Levine who contacted me through this site as he was worried that a load might have turned up!
Billy Jo Jim Bob Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) On 28/05/2015 at 16:30, vince ayres said: Found a copy recently and can't find much info on it, will probably sell it but don't want to do myself out as it's obviously pretty rare. There are no sales on Popsike and i've heard conflicting values up to £1000's so any info would be appreciated. Atb Vince Interesting stuff. I note the titles above and according to the Soul Harmony Singles the Satan's Breed release is listed as 5006 Since you left me / Road Runner, but your copy has The Girl I Need and number 4545. The Indelgents is a Jenges 4547 number and Harry Moon on Sin is 4553. But the numbering for the other Jenges, Renee and Sin labels all fit together based on a 5**** numbering. I'd love to know how it all fits together and what about Harry and Vee Vee on Sin 4554............this soul record malarkey's all a bit confusing Edited January 26, 2016 by Andy Mac spelling 1
Billy Jo Jim Bob Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) 32 minutes ago, guest said: The 5006 numbering is for the release on Renee according to the discography Andy . The SHS book gives it as Jenges 5006, but as its all a bit of mess it may well be on Renee 5006 along with the Dream merchants - Since you left / girl I need Renee 5006. I'm going for a lie down Edited January 26, 2016 by Andy Mac new information
Raremusicdirect Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 Thanks for coming on with details Vince...
Tsu Tomatoes Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 8 hours ago, guest said: Can't help thinking this sounds like an unreleased track . I found this link to Million Dollars worth of Soul compilations. Strange that No 1 has un-issued tracks marked as such, but not this track on No. 2 https://doowopnsouloldies.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/million-dollars-worth-of-soul.html Compilation No 2 was around in 2006, so someone in Kalamazoo, Michigan knew of its existence then, but there's been no apparent sign of any until recently.
Tsu Tomatoes Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 On 24/01/2016 at 14:59, wiggyflat said: This is supposedly the boot and all the boots are supposedly originate in the USA If the bootlegs origins are indeed from the US, where does anyone think they might they have been pressed then?
Tsu Tomatoes Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 14 minutes ago, guest said: If information on other thread is correct one found by IL and the other by GS . Then the one Vince posted up appeared . GS found both in LA and sold one to IL, then Vince's turned up. GS was in Austin when Vince found it.
Tsu Tomatoes Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 1 minute ago, guest said: Hmmmm...... Indeed!
Tsu Tomatoes Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 42 minutes ago, guest said: That's if it is a 'bootleg' as such . It could be an unreleased track pressed up on that label because of it's philly credentials . Apparently same group as the Dream Merchants but is bit of a drastic name change for a soul group especially when you are aiming at a teenage market ? Dream Merchants to Satan's Breed ? Could be wrong but have got a funny feeling about this 45 . The credits on Satans Breed have a huge Philly connection - George Guess and Norman Knox wrote for the Stylistics and Guess had his own output on Pearl Harbour that was recorded at Sigma. Could it just be as some have suggested before that it is the Intruders? It is very close vocally to Little Sonny!
Sean Hampsey Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 Certainly Philly and possibly Intruders. Sean
Quinvy Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 I agree that is a strange name for a group that is singing what is more or less a sweet soul track.
Kris Holmes Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 there are a lot of records which people never owned in the 70s/80s or even knew existed which have come to light since. I don't think you can hold that to mean much in this case. Definitely not a new recording to my ears. 1
Louise Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 6 hours ago, Quinvy said: I agree that is a strange name for a group that is singing what is more or less a sweet soul track. Not so strange a name when you consider that Harry Moon's "Woman's Man" also came out as Harry Moon & The Fide on the 'Sin' label along with a further release Harry & Vee Vee "Without Your Love" (The Harry being Mr Moon himself). With the logo of the 'Sin label being an image of the devil. Dave 2
Pete S Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 13 hours ago, tsu tomatoes said: If the bootlegs origins are indeed from the US, where does anyone think they might they have been pressed then? Would help if we could get a better photo than that one, it looks like it has the pattern but there's also wear around the centre hole
Quinvy Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 4 hours ago, Louise said: Not so strange a name when you consider that Harry Moon's "Woman's Man" also came out as Harry Moon & The Fide on the 'Sin' label along with a further release Harry & Vee Vee "Without Your Love" (The Harry being Mr Moon himself). With the logo of the 'Sin label being an image of the devil. Dave I didn't know that Dave, that does make sense.
Woodbutcher Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 "Swirls" , "sheen" and "ill-defined lettering print"
Markw Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 On 1/29/2016 at 14:00, guest said: Matt and flat . Scans of both sides of mine.
Billy Jo Jim Bob Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 On 28/01/2016 at 11:20, guest said: No apparent 'swirls' on that one - but appear on the other 2 up the thread . Can't help thinking this sounds like an unreleased track . Very unusual name for a soul group especially the market they would have been operating in and the fact that there was another 'garage' group of that name . The 'meep , meeps' don't sound quite right for some reason . Cant really be an unreleased track as it appeared in the Soul harmony Singles book and that was published years ago. It may be a strange name but what about Sins of Satan - dance and free your mind - there's another strange one. As Dave W pointed out there is also the 'Sin' label associated with Jenges and Renee where the label is Red with black 'Satan Masks' as the design. 1
Kris Holmes Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 9 hours ago, guest said: I totally agree - was just seeing if anyone owned the 45 back in the day . No one has mentioned a 'new' recording ? sorry confused unreleased with new
Chalky Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Some more scans of originals for you to peruse 1
Popular Post Woodbutcher Posted January 29, 2016 Popular Post Posted January 29, 2016 Hi Chalky , All three of those scans you just posted appear to have the underlying MIS CO stamp , as per the Ra-Sel Magnetics ... have highlighted them here ... 4
Pete S Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, WoodButcher said: Hi Chalky , All three of those scans you just posted appear to have the underlying MIS CO stamp , as per the Ra-Sel Magnetics ... have highlighted them here ... Well spotted eagle eye! I'd never have seen those. Hard enough to see even with the boxes round them. 1
Woodbutcher Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 It seems to be on the 1st Harry Moon image too , harder to see on the other images but I'll try a little tweaking ... 1
Mace Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 On 25/01/2016 at 17:56, tsu tomatoes said: For what it's worth, this is Ian's copy: So does Ian Levines own copy have this tell tale stamp under the label or is his a boot as well ? 1
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