Mellorful Posted May 19, 2015 Posted May 19, 2015 Of course it's the promoters fault the buck stops with the promoter who else can you blame.Im a promoter and have done promotions security wise over the last 50 years you can't start blaming the cleaners take it on the chin and tidy things up. Come on now. ML Hi Mick Maybe you could offer your services to Kev. If someone decides he's gonna head butt you he will have a few supporters, they're called 'the pallbearers' As I understand it, the victim was intimidated about possible consequences after the event. I assume the event had CCTV at the entrance, if the victim could look at the film and help Kev identify the alleged thug. It may be helpful if identified, the alleged thug's picture could then be published on here so we all know to avoid him and promoters can ensure their security team keep a special eye open for him. We all want the same thing, a night of good music and dancing, lets keep it that way. Atb Stu 3
Popular Post Rhino Posted May 19, 2015 Popular Post Posted May 19, 2015 The comment of Mick's I was referring to is in post 28 but I agree with you both the buck stops with the promotion team and the security. But as Mick did say bad incidents do happen and obviously questions arw going to be asked afterwards and improvements made to avoid future occurances. I doubt anyone involved in security can say they have had an incident free life and that they and the team they work with have missed incidents. But some responsibility has to rest with those who attend to alert any promoter and any security team to incidents they have missed or if you can see any incident about to kick off. I don't know what those who attend Goldsoul events are like, I can guess and if what is said is true then I have no wish to ever attend any kind of event like it, I have no interest in the retro side of the scene and prefer to attend events that I do attend where it would appear to be a lot less hassle. I strongly believe it is time for memberships to return, but it has to be universal. Maybe the cost of getting in as well. £10 or £12 with a bar for 12 hours is bound to appeal to local idiots who lets face have no interest in the music whether that be Kings Hall or the local night club. agree with you about no one in security have a incident free life but its how kev/goldsoul has handled this situation came out calling him an attention seeker yep in his hindsight he could of told security but he felt he and his wife had to leave venue to the possible idiot still outside waiting. as he said there must of been 30 years between them and felt intimidated. The way goldsoul has always trying to turn it around instead of taking it as a unforeseen incident and promise to look into improving security on dance floor area. in essence as a promoter he has different values to you and mick and is his full time income(radio/promoter/etc) and thats the difference between oldies events to smaller venues better run and isnt NORTHERN SOUL / MOTOWN its rare soul and under played music . Been interesting and eye opening thread but ive said me piece take care bud 6
Mr Fred Posted May 19, 2015 Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Having been involved over the years in promoting Various soul events. It's not a bad thing for the promotors to be on the door every so often so they can see for themselves what type of people are coming to their venue,before they are in,I'm sure you can easily see who's a true Soulie and who isn't, and who is a bad element and who isn't. I know you must not be predudice against anyone,however I believe there usually is a sign saying the management reserve the right to refuse admission. This gives you the choice who goes in and who doesn't ,I'm sure this would nip in the bud the possibility of physical violence and resulting in a good night for all.I'm in no way trying to tell anyone how to run their venue but merely trying to help. Regards Fred Ward Edited May 20, 2015 by Mr Fred
Guest Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 Bloke I work. With. Announced., I've been. To one your nsoul things, he went cos he was pissed n someone he knew took him along, my point is for all of you who attend events, this is probably the types u don't. Want.personally I hated when drunks turned up at niters. But back then simple solution they didn't gain entry most o the time
Bridgesoceity Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 Kev, you're like one of those representatives the oil giants put in front of the TV cameras to explain why their containers keep shitting themselves , except you are the owner of the company, take responsibility and clean your Fooking mess up!!? 2
Guest Byrney Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 Still waiting for Jim to inform us who the culprit might be so we may start an investigation. That sound fair to all members? Still sounds odd to me that he chose a forum that would indeed get a response as opposed to reporting it at the venue to either the promoters or security. Do you think Jim would have asked for his name after being nutted? Just trying to imagine how that would happen.
Tattoodave Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 Do you think Jim would have asked for his name after being nutted? Just trying to imagine how that would happen. That's the bit that got me Byrney, he's got a hotel room so obviously isn't a local lad and the promoter expects him to know the name of an asshole that nutted him on the dancefloor, maybe the promoter would be better getting a psychic medium involved? 1
alanmandy Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 .Read all the reports,where were the rest of the soul fraternity?
jimmy clitheroe Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 I have solution ,give anyone who looks like a beer monster / handbagger a large drink laced with vetenary strength ketamine...dance away ...Paul 1
Vin Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 Hi...question for Jim the IP...do you know who this person is and does he know you..? the reason I ask is you say he is local so I am assuming you have seen or heard of this fellow before if you know that much. Also could he be the local bad lad with a reputation..who maybe had half a dozen of his mates nearby ..pissed up and ready for a tear up which would have probably resulted in a mass brawl had Jim reacted ( a nightmare for the punters,promoters and the rep of the event..which would probably have killed the night stone dead) did Jim know this ?..who was Jim with ..just his wife or several friends who would back him up...is Jim a mild mannered man who does not like violence. if so he should have reported the incident to the security asap.and identified him.......What would I have done?...Who Knows.. Jim.. pm Kev Roberts and tell him the score..help keep this guy away.. All in all a bad experience for the fella and not what anyone wants to see at a Big Soul event...but unless you stop the passing public paying on the door...it aint gonna stop..
Goldsoul Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) Kev, you're like one of those representatives the oil giants put in front of the TV cameras to explain why their containers keep shitting themselves , except you are the owner of the company, take responsibility and clean your Fooking mess up!!? We are fine and doing ok thanks.......... Edited May 20, 2015 by The Golden 101
Popular Post Bridgesoceity Posted May 20, 2015 Popular Post Posted May 20, 2015 We are fine and doing ok thanks.......... Taps wallet on inside breast pocket and smiles at camera 5
SOULMAN62 Posted May 20, 2015 Author Posted May 20, 2015 Jim,"Its a Sign of The Times" {Pet Clark} Been to Kevs Promotions in Uk &Spain,always Superbly organised. Take A look Around",Alcohol fuelled violence and agression is Every where ,Sad But True ,Not the Fault of the promoters.LOL Johnny Hart at no no time am i putting the fault on the promos, still had a great nite, this dick did not spoil it for me . cheers 1
SOULMAN62 Posted May 20, 2015 Author Posted May 20, 2015 Agree no place for head butting dick heads. Feckers should be ejected or battered on the spot. My point was that some on here are I think hinting that all newbys should stay away ... They are to me (head butters excluded) very welcome this guy is a disco dave , with a girl freind in high heels , there is no way this guy liked any kind of soul just the drink 1
SOULMAN62 Posted May 20, 2015 Author Posted May 20, 2015 Hi...question for Jim the IP...do you know who this person is and does he know you..? the reason I ask is you say he is local so I am assuming you have seen or heard of this fellow before if you know that much. Also could he be the local bad lad with a reputation..who maybe had half a dozen of his mates nearby ..pissed up and ready for a tear up which would have probably resulted in a mass brawl had Jim reacted ( a nightmare for the punters,promoters and the rep of the event..which would probably have killed the night stone dead) did Jim know this ?..who was Jim with ..just his wife or several friends who would back him up...is Jim a mild mannered man who does not like violence. if so he should have reported the incident to the security asap.and identified him.......What would I have done?...Who Knows.. Jim.. pm Kev Roberts and tell him the score..help keep this guy away.. All in all a bad experience for the fella and not what anyone wants to see at a Big Soul event...but unless you stop the passing public paying on the door...it aint gonna stop.. all i can say is he had a local accent and as for kev,s promotions and venue there is no blame on them, i am shocked on how many people seem to be putting the blame on him , all he needs to do is put the security up top looking down i think that would have helped. 1
Guest Byrney Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 Where do you live "professorturnups" - Outer Mongolia? The Soul Scene has not been underground since the Wheel shut in 1971 and what followed (Wigan Casino et al) turned the scene overgound. Not entirely true - it was at one of its most underground periods after the close of Wigan up to the mid 90s.
Billywhizz Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 just logged in to see this is still carrying on, Jim you should of sparked him out, good job a woman didn't give birth on the dance floor the post will be going on for months cheers Billy 1
Hooker1951 Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 all i can say is he had a local accent and as for kev,s promotions and venue there is no blame on them, i am shocked on how many people seem to be putting the blame on him , all he needs to do is put the security up top looking down i think that would have helped. Sorry Jim that's exactly what everybody on here has been trying to say.go to A n E and have that butt checked out it might be worse tan what you think. God give me Strength ML
Hornet Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 Not entirely true - it was at one of its most underground periods after the close of Wigan up to the mid 90s. As a newbie 2 the scene I don't understand the many different music formats ! Is the tunes they play in the Windsor room @ KH the same as they play @ bids / the 100 club !! Does underground mean died on its feet !! Confusing plus some !!
Mellorful Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 The scene has more folk taking pictures on the dance floor than you can shake a stick at. The alleged thug may be in the background of these pictures so if everyone who took pictures PM'd them to Jim; he might identify the assailant and publish the picture of him on here. No need to trouble Kev, the individual will have his card marked at any future events he attends so security know to keep a special eye on him in case he repeats his actions on another person. 1
Hooker1951 Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 Don't worry Jim I'll send a couple of my Ninjas down to next Stoke with blow pipes and poisoned darts if that doesn't work I'll tell them to stab him twice just to make sure I'll bill Kevin for it later so they don't know it's me. keep on Laughing or you'll otherwise go crazy. Peace n Tranquility ML 1
Ceejay Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 What a dickwad comment. Basically you are not only insulting the country's most successful All Nighter but dissing the DJ's who work there. Well surprise, surprise............isn't this just the kind of comment we can expect from you!!!! How about, sorry you had this happen to you, it was unfortunate, etc, etc. 2
Guest mvb031259 Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 Have not been on here for ages used to love KH but stopped going because of these problems..... What a horrendous attitude Kev Roberts very sad and disappointing. Hope the OP is okay you have conducted yourself admirably......
Goldsoul Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) Have not been on here for ages used to love KH but stopped going because of these problems..... What a horrendous attitude Kev Roberts very sad and disappointing. Hope the OP is okay you have conducted yourself admirably...... Here's more......go away quietly. Jim.....any chance of locking the thread mate......the usual suspects will feed off this for the foreseeable future. Edited May 20, 2015 by The Golden 101
Peter99 Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 Here's more......go away quietly. Jim.....any chance of locking the thread mate......the usual suspects will feed off this for the foreseeable future. You don't really help yourself. You often come across as arrogant and making comments such as "What a dickwad comment. Basically you are not only insulting the country's most successful All Nighter but dissing the DJ's who work there" just alienate people further. 3
50 Shades Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 Surprised no ones thought of hiring Columbo to solve this mystery 2
Goldsoul Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 You don't really help yourself. You often come across as arrogant and making comments such as "What a dickwad comment. Basically you are not only insulting the country's most successful All Nighter but dissing the DJ's who work there" just alienate people further. Which part of the Kings Hall Stoke faithful are being alienated? You don't go so what's your problem.
Peter99 Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 Which part of the Kings Hall Stoke faithful are being alienated? You don't go so what's your problem. I don't have a problem Kev - well not one that you could help me with. You're just a bit prickly with people at times and that's why you don't always get the best response. Nowt to do with me really - just an observation. 2
Popular Post Winsford Soul Posted May 20, 2015 Popular Post Posted May 20, 2015 There's two simple solutions to this. (1) make it member's only. (2) No alcohol at nighters like it used to be. Steve 4
Guest smudgesmith Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 We are fine and doing ok thanks.......... Obviously neglecting your " duty of care" !!!
Mellorful Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 Which part of the Kings Hall Stoke faithful are being alienated? You don't go so what's your problem. Well me and the missus will be getting tickets for the next one. I know we will dance our socks off to good music. Lightening unlikely to strike twice now the promoters are on the case All we need now is Jim to post a photo of the thug from FB entries and job done. 1
Theothertosspot Posted May 20, 2015 Posted May 20, 2015 Obviously neglecting your " duty of care" !!! Looks to me that you hit the "space" key before you started typing duty. ICT Level 2
jimmy clitheroe Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 Pitty he didn't try it on with keb Darge (if he'd had been there ), the cleaners would have still been hoovering his teeth up off the dance floor...Paul 1
Popular Post Steve S 60 Posted May 21, 2015 Popular Post Posted May 21, 2015 First there was the Rumble in the Jungle, then the Thriller in Manila. Now we have the Joke in Stoke. 7
Mike Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 have split the underground, overground posts to a new thread here as going down the road of slagging individual events going to close this thread will split the post about general events into a new thread so feel free to use that if wish to talk about problems at events in general cheers mike 1
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